Give sec hardsuit a build in jetpack

[CPTANT]

Currently it seems atmos and engineering hardsuits have build in jetpacks but sec hardsuits don't. Engineers have to work around the station but the times sec has to put on a spacesuit they are the ones who need a jetpack the most. Security has to deal with nuke ops and traitors who just looted the armory through space. the ONE time a jetpack is ESSENTIAL is when fighting in space. As it stands now you are better off wearing an engineering hardsuit during space combat instead of a security one (without regular jetpack). Mobillity is WAY more important than the added resistances.

You can argue about security vs traitor balance in space, but its just odd that you are better of in an engineering suit.

[lumipharon]

Fighting a dude in space who has a jetpack, while you don't, is fucking awful.

[onleavedontatme]

But if sec has jetpacks I won't be literally immortal in space once I steal one

[Scones]

they should just have the engisuit one

[Cheimon]

I agree with this, they're only ever used to combat people who are in space and it's really hard to do that if you have to keep hugging the edges and shooting yourself back towards them if you go too far away.

[ThatSlyFox]

On one hand I dislike secuirty going off station instead of being on it, on the other hand I know people are going to do this anyway. If we do this then maybe their jetpack should be a little slower than average?

I can just see it now, security chasing ops into their shuttle, raping and pillaging the infiltrator and all who dare to live within it.

[Scones]

On one hand I dislike secuirty going off station instead of being on it, on the other hand I know people are going to do this anyway. If we do this then maybe their jetpack should be a little slower than average?

I can just see it now, security chasing ops into their shuttle, raping and pillaging the infiltrator and all who dare to live within it.

"The station" includes space around the station on the Z as far as I'm concerned, "leaving the station" means going off-z

[Sabbat]

>Security
>Going off to valid hunt in space at first sign of somebody in space
>LOOT DAT ARMORY
>GIT OUTA STATION
>Meanwhile entire station is being destroyed from the inside by the actual antags and not the assistant who stole a space suit and knocked on the HoS's office window before honking and running away

Remove sec hardsuits, re-add medical hardsuits.

[Scones]

Space surrounding the station is Security's jurisdiction. If Security was unable to go into space they would get absolutely rolled by antags with spacesuits (See: The 2 most common types of antag) simply for lack of mobility.

Nobody does that, Sabbat. If somebody is fucking around in space, yes, someone will usually go after them, BECAUSE IT IS THEIR JURISDICTION AND IT WILL BE THE SAME PROCEDURE THAT WOULD BE TAKEN INSIDE THE STATION. IN SPACE. Space is not some magical anything-goes wild west zone, Security is free to pursue and detain - Being in space outside the Brig doing shady stuff is more than enough reason to get memed on.

CMO getting a hardsuit would be nice, though. Normal medical hardsuits would just get stolen/be free antag spacesuits for the MDs who are arguably not really supposed to be going into space en masse except for the rare body recovery.

[Marflow]

I agree, sec is woefully poorly equipped for anything space-related, there's really no reason why the sec hardsuit shouldn't have internal jetpack. IIRC all the internal jetpacks already are slower than the proper ones. In my numerous space antaggings, it's mostly been the captain who gets me, never the security itself. Armory could also use few actual oxygen tanks since the emergency tanks are quite unusable with jetpack.

[Cheimon]

Besides, it's not as though security as a whole is going to leave into space. There are only 2 security hardsuits on the station, and nobody ever orders more (if that's even possible).

[Scott]

I say no to this. If Security really needs to go validhunt in space instead of keeping the station less dangerous, they can grab a jetpack from EVA.

REMEMBER EVA GUYS?

[Incomptinence]

Maybe no jetpack but sheesh spread out the girders on the side of the station so they can at least move two abreast.

Sec hunting a guy in the vicinity of the station is a crap shoot and they go out ONE BY ONE because the station architecture can barely support single file on the exterior.

Hmm a lone officer going out ALONE to MAYBE MAYBE end a space threat I wonder what his chances are!

[Scott]

That's more of a mapping problem.

And don't play victims, sec has easy access to the best stun weaponry. Git gud, I say.

[Incomptinence]

Most of the people outside of nuke messing with sec in space are armoury raiders that oh my gawwwd a taser the epitome of the entire game the UNEARTHLY DIVINE TASER stuff is corrected very rapidly in a good armoury raid.

[Saegrimr]

When the fuck did engineers get BUILT IN JETPACKS? How are you even supposed to refill them?

[RG4]

When the fuck did engineers get BUILT IN JETPACKS? How are you even supposed to refill them?

This sounds like Nuke Ops gear rather that engineering gear. Fuck me this just makes fucking off to space WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY easier for them.

[Cik]

engineers don't have built in jetpacks unless i've been missing something or i'm dumb

i really wish they did though with slowspace wiring the solars is fucking S L O W

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Built-in-jetpacks work by taking gas from whatever tank is in your suit storage and using it as propellant

[Shadowlight213]

Sec hardsuits have far more armor than engineering hardsuits do. They don't need the extra mobility if built in jetpacks.

[whodaloo]

When the fuck did engineers get BUILT IN JETPACKS? How are you even supposed to refill them?

If you put a tank of gas in your suit storage slot, you can right-click your hardsuit and toggle your inbuilt jetpack. It's slower than the back-mount, but you obviously don't have to waste a slot.

There's really no reason not to give sec hardsuits the same function, by the way. As it is, sec hardsuits are fundamentally shit at actually doing what sec hardsuits are meant to do: pursue people who flee into space. The oxytank change would help combat assholes who make off with the two roundstart jetpacks and murderbone anyone who comes after them. (here's looking at you, Kor)

[Falamazeer]

Sec hardsuits have far more armor than engineering hardsuits do. They don't need the extra mobility if built in jetpacks.

Armor is almost completely worthless compared to Mobility in our robust combat system.
Want proof? Go pick a fight with literately anyone not wearing a hardsuit when you are.
Use the changeling armor in public.
Wear a firesuit and punch the HoS.

[Cik]

Sec hardsuits have far more armor than engineering hardsuits do. They don't need the extra mobility if built in jetpacks.

Armor is almost completely worthless compared to Mobility in our robust combat system.
Want proof? Go pick a fight with literately anyone not wearing a hardsuit when you are.
Use the changeling armor in public.
Wear a firesuit and punch the HoS.

hardsuits aren't for maneuvering indoors anyway though

at least when the gravgen's on

hint when it's off you can use your jetpack and maneuver far better than anyone else, you also don't get stuck in the middle of large rooms

hardsuits shouldn't be a clothing for all seasons, making them into one is just silly. the only real exception is for engineers but that's for environmental reasons; you need the spacesuit when the hull inevitably gets blown through, which it will a large percentage of the time when you're asked to repair anything.

[Scott]

When the fuck did engineers get BUILT IN JETPACKS? How are you even supposed to refill them?

If you put a tank of gas in your suit storage slot, you can right-click your hardsuit and toggle your inbuilt jetpack. It's slower than the back-mount, but you obviously don't have to waste a slot.

There's really no reason not to give sec hardsuits the same function, by the way. As it is, sec hardsuits are fundamentally shit at actually doing what sec hardsuits are meant to do: pursue people who flee into space. The oxytank change would help combat assholes who make off with the two roundstart jetpacks and murderbone anyone who comes after them. (here's looking at you, Kor)

No because security has stun weapons.

[TheNightingale]

Stun weapons don't work too well in space. They change your trajectory when fired, they have limited range, and they're avoidable, especially if your opponent has a jetpack. You need something to catch up with them before opening fire.

[Scott]

Borrow from EVA.

[CPTANT]

When the fuck did engineers get BUILT IN JETPACKS? How are you even supposed to refill them?

If you put a tank of gas in your suit storage slot, you can right-click your hardsuit and toggle your inbuilt jetpack. It's slower than the back-mount, but you obviously don't have to waste a slot.

There's really no reason not to give sec hardsuits the same function, by the way. As it is, sec hardsuits are fundamentally shit at actually doing what sec hardsuits are meant to do: pursue people who flee into space. The oxytank change would help combat assholes who make off with the two roundstart jetpacks and murderbone anyone who comes after them. (here's looking at you, Kor)

No because security has stun weapons.

And people robbing the armory never do of course

Borrow from EVA.

Tell that to the engineers who DO get a build in jetpack.

[TheNightingale]

Science has all the toys, Security just asks them nicely and arrests them when they say no.

... that gives me an idea. Jetpack research from R&D, requiring ~5 Engineering research, that when applied to a hardsuit (not spacesuit), gives it a built-in jetpack.

[Malkevin]

It does make sense that the job that would require the most mobility in space would be the ones to have that mobility...