/tg/Station 13

damiac

It wasn't me! I keep MSO's password to myself. I suspect it was SOS, because he's the least likely suspect. Or maybe Putin. Or maybe.... it was YOU... EDIT: Hah, am I the last surviving member of the "Rarely Plays" club? I play more often than I post now... maybe it should be changed to 'r...

damiac

Doesn't having the in game admins in charge of the section of the forum that's supposed to be about keeping those same admins accountable kind of an obvious conflict of interests? But I guess that's why we have locked feedback threads in the feedback section as well. I still don't get why my policy ...

damiac

Well, I think it's pretty lame, but oh well, can't beat city hall and all that. All I tried to do was make a complaint about an admin in admin complaints.

damiac

Yeah, just like my 100% allowed in the rules policy board thread about allowing forum administration complaints in the admin complaints board. It got locked, so I reposted it, along with the rules that say I'm allowed to do it. That got locked, and deleted, and I got a warning. Here are those rules:...

damiac

Ah here's the buried place we're allowed to complain about this 'rarely plays' bullshit. At least call it what it is, not 'barely plays' it's 'HG doesn't like them'. It's an obvious attempt to discredit posters without HG having to look like a dick and posting irrelevant connection histories when he...

damiac

I have a valid complaint about an admin's administration of the forums, but I have nowhere legitimate to put it. See here: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1884 So I'm simply asking that the admin complaint forum rules be updated to allow complaints about administration of the ...

damiac

So why does HG get to put titles on certain people in an attempt to discredit them? He got yelled at in the past for constantly bringing up people's connection history to discredit their arguments, so now he's just attaching it directly to their accounts? That's bullshit. You don't know where I play...

damiac

So why does HG get to put titles on certain people in an attempt to discredit them? He got yelled at in the past for constantly bringing up people's connection history to discredit their arguments, so now he's just attaching it directly to their accounts? That's bullshit. You don't know where I play...

damiac

Enforces the rules to an extreme, but then, maybe that's more a problem of the rules rather than a problem with him(if it's even considered a problem at all). He could definitely afford to chill out a bit on the rules nazi thing, but overall seems like a decent admin. Plus he's not afraid of people ...

damiac

He's actually got a link to his feedback thread right in his sig. He's had a fair amount of screw ups, but he explains himself and apologizes when he's wrong. He doesn't have the god complex that some admins seem to have (see locked feedback threads). In fact having an admin who screws up so badly s...

damiac

Seems pretty consistent and fair, even after being around TG for quite a while. A good example for other admins, he doesn't seem to get bogged down in politics and cliques, he just administrates by the book.

damiac

Oh, it's fixed now. Well, thanks for that, I seriously thought it was left that way to taunt the people who complained about its removal. Someday I'll figure out what the adminspiricy is up to, and then, you will rue the day! RUE! Until then I'll leave some nice feedback for the admins that don't af...

damiac

Ah, I see the whole feedback forum is read only now. So you only pretended to bring it back. Bravo... You guys really put the 'fuck you' in 'transparency'

damiac

Well... singulo's format is just flat out awful, and also it's better if feedback stays on the 'official' site.

damiac

I'm glad admin feedback is back, but what's up with admins locking their own feedback threads? Can we just take that as an indication that they're not interested in being not terrible, and get rid of them?

damiac

I kind of like the idea, just as a slight defense against meta. Right now, if you see someone's suit sensors reporting their location, you can be pretty sure they're not up to trouble.

damiac

A pile of shit is shit, sure, but a pile of shit with some gold nuggets in it can be harvested, and then you have gold! Shiny shiny gold! Sort of like the playerbase itself. Sure, there's a mountain of shit there, but there are a lot of good players. You don't throw away the game because there are a...

damiac

Eh, what's done is done, I've said my piece, no point in going in circles I guess. Although I'd love to know what Bro's response was to my post, they're usually amusing at least, plus sometimes he makes good points between the frothing insane rants. Speaking of frothing insane rants, what ever happe...

damiac

Why did Brotemis's posts get deleted? They weren't any more hostile than his usual, which is about equal with HG's and mine. Were actual users complaining about the admin feedback and steno boards, or just admins? And when you guys say "We decided in adminbus" what does that really mean? W...

damiac

An0n3 wrote:I think you guys are just tired of drinking hitler and now you want diet hitler.

I've got all that great hitler flavor but only half the hitler calories.

I'm pretty sure it's mostly because of the Bojack picture and the signature to go with it. Although maybe Bojack is kinda like diet hitler...

damiac

Oh hi Brotemis. Stop complaining about specific administration decisions, this isn't the thread for that. You were from all accounts a pretty decent admin, with a HORRIBLE attitude. On the forums, all one really got to experience was the attitude, but I think your feedback thread pretty accurately s...

damiac

No, it was just a straight up statement, meant to be taken at face value.

So was that ad-hominem, or just poor reading comprehension? It wasn't exactly a difficult statement to decipher.

damiac

Our job is not to be well liked. Funny, it's always the authority figures who aren't well liked who say that. But no, your job isn't to be liked, your job is to administrate the game. If you do it well, chances are you will be more well liked than those who do it poorly. Imperfect feedback is bette...

damiac

So they stealth remove the admin feedback, then stealth remove the thread asking about the previous stealth removal. Nobody reads the damn FNR stickies man... And uhh... yeah HG is like a post deleting machine, so was he removed from in game admin? Also, regarding QC, I answered HBL's question befor...

damiac

Fair point, to make it at all viable (meaning, it doesn't make SS13 less fun) you'd have to somehow give out the points for people playing... well the way you want them to play. Meaning you'd get these points mainly by doing your job, and for surviving the round. I can't imagine how such a feature c...

damiac

Screw it, just give Anon all 3 headmin positions, and unlimited deadminning power, as well as complete control over the message boards. It literally cannot get any worse than how it's going right now. EDIT: Oh come on HBL, that was the perfect opportunity to say 'U mad bro?" I guess you're pre...

damiac

They should get the points regardless, as their reward for playing a role who can't be antag.

damiac

Well what you're describing is literally the 'play to win' people complain about, and the rules kinda sorta say you're not supposed to do. The crew are not supposed to be working to stop the antag. That's sec and the head's jobs.

damiac

Play to win is only encouraged for antags, which I think is a good thing, as currently a lot of them play to ruin the round for as many people as possible. It decreases play to win for non-antags, as they'd rather just mind their own business and survive the round. A hugely fantastic effect would be...

damiac

I second this request, the incinerator is pretty useless at the moment,it probably should be able to incinerate things.

damiac

If the administration has final word on FNR, why is there even a FNR? Why not just remove the illusion that the administration is supposed to be accountable at all? Just put up 1 sticky post that says "The purpose of the players is to fulfill the fantasy of having absolute power for the adminis...

damiac

Screw it, just give Anon all 3 headmin positions, and unlimited deadminning power, as well as complete control over the message boards. It literally cannot get any worse than how it's going right now. EDIT: Oh come on HBL, that was the perfect opportunity to say 'U mad bro?" I guess you're pret...

damiac

Well, it honestly gave a pretty good overall idea of how the community felt about any given admin. Yeah, any given post was essentially meaningless, but a huge collection of posts saying "Brotemis is worst admin" and "Skorvald is pretty good" start to paint a pretty good picture ...

damiac

Alright I'll lead you through this. First off, why is netspeak not allowed? This should be a no-brainer. Because you're a terrible person and we're making up rules specifically to spite you. I mean uh.. roleplaying, or something. As the chief proponent of these idiotic OOC in IC bans, you really sh...

damiac

ADMIN EDIT: Hijacking this thread to become the announcement/sticky: The decision was made by most of admin bus with me and a few of the other newer admins being the minority voice in opposition to the removal. The main reasoning was that it was mostly shit stirring and brown nosing with less then ...

damiac

Or maybe bombs shouldn't damage pipes under walls, without first destroying the walls. I can't imagine that would have much negative impact on the game, and would lead to less bald atmos techs.(Because they pull all their hair out due to damaged pipes under rwalls).

damiac

So essentially the reason for this crackdown on one random arbitrary particular internet meme is because 'We don't like it, and we'll ban you if you do it'. This is a game filled with stupid fucking memes, which everyone seems to love. This is just the administration being incredibly self-important,...

damiac

elyina wrote:We admins are over complicating this really. The name policy was already fine and it didn't bother anyone.

Corrected for accuracy.

damiac

Well watch out, you might get banned from real life. In fact, you've already ruined my immersion in real life. That was sort of my point, while 'lmao' might be considered by some to be unpronounceable, 'La Mayo' isn't. Really, 'ayyyyyy lmao' is perfectly pronounceable anyway, it's no more difficult ...

damiac

Heres a crazy idea: Admins submit votes as posts in adminbus listing who they think should be headmin and why. Those votes are made public and players get to vote on admins' votes . The admin who made the vote will remain private till the end when the 'winner'(shitty term) is announced. The admins ...

damiac

Intig was an excellent headmin. He appealed to the players, because guess what. This game is for the players, not the admin's enjoyment. Which people seem to have forgotten lately, for example, name policy, bans for harmless 'netspeak', etc... Once again, pretty funny to see Paprika accuse any other...

damiac

But then people would know what names are acceptable, and ride right on the line between acceptable and not acceptable, and then how are the admins supposed to get their sperg on?

damiac

Well, it's better to retroactively change rules to avoid a ban than the other way around, but still, that seems rather unfair to that particular clown. "No, we won't put off enforcement of unimportant netspeak rules to avoid ruining someone's antag round, but someone's round was ruined over a f...

damiac

Red Dwarf is awesome and all, but why would anyone want to be one of these holograms? It sounds like an extra shitty version of an AI. Unless... what if only dead crewmembers could be uploaded (from the crew manifest)? But they'd have to be under rules not to reveal any info that happened in round, ...

damiac

It's not using your dna, if it was you'd be like a new born baby, mentally (well sort of). It's somehow copying your existing old body, brain structure and all, but it is somehow able to distinguish between injury and normal weirdness. Lot's of sci fi has clones aging super fast, just imagine it st...

damiac

Do it please. Someone pull it!

damiac

Change your sig Miauw, there's still lag.
And tell us your non-blurry secrets!

damiac

Or... doesn't work, amirite?

You know, because calendars are lazy!

...
I'll just show myself to the door then.

damiac

Or, at the very least, never offer that player the option to be a borg, just go for execution. Teach that punk to look a gift horse in the mouth next time. It my (obviously important) opinion, when it's borg or death, you should be allowed to pick the borg type if you want. If they don't like it, we...

damiac

Typically, one changes the rules first, then changes enforcement, but that's really only if you're interested in fairness or making any sense.

Around here, whatever was enforced last is the rules.

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