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(Also, we don't start tickets with "Hey. Do you got a minute?", that's pointless and bad practice; you go straight to the point, for example: "Hey. What happened between you and John Terry?" or "Hey. Why did you suicide into the Supermatter before it was set up?"... Wh...

kieth4 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:29 pm
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:42 am 2 many words
2 few words

Sounds good to me.

Silipol simply states what a borg can and cannot assume regarding prisoners, not what the objective truth is. A borg can't assume a violent prisoner is non-harmful, but they may confirm it via IC means. So in order to accept a Law 2 order from a violent prisoner to release them, they would need to c...

That Timberpoes is a hell of a gal. Should have been headmin after that term. Silipol has been rewritten since that post I made. And that post is now pretty damn accurate. Good to know I was consistent in my rewrite if nothing else. Following laws in good faith is now an absolute defense in silicon ...

I accept that the old template was much easier to post an appeal with, but the quality of those appeals were very low unless the player was advanced. Even if it's not the current one, I still strongly believe a more guided appeal template increases the chance of shorter and more effective appeals. A...

If you agree with the note left behind and feel it's accurate and fair, and also agree with how the admin interpreted the rules, and also don't think any aspect of it was unjustifiably harsh including the length or decision to note/ban at all...? Then you don't have an appeal and you probably should...

Rest assured if Sinful wasn't banned from the Player's Club, he'd definitely be in here exclaiming how leaking notes and other info to your friends isn't that bad, or even that it's part of a healthy community and administration and all admins should strive to abuse their powers since that's what Th...

Made to walk the plank.

Putting the piracy back into conspiracy.

That sounds like what a gossip would say, to me! Join us around the conspiracy circle.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/search.php?keywords=retired&t=2218 https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/search.php?keywords=deadminned&t=2218 https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/search.php?keywords=de-adminned&t=2218 Also you know exactly why anyone deadminned doesn't have the retiremin role on Discord...

I think you'll struggle to find an admin that wants more micromanaged play. Those that want more out of players ask for more IC reasoning for actions instead of OOC reasoning. It's wanting less "they antag, rule 4 says they valid" and more "they antag, tried to kill someone, we execut...

Skill issue. What you probably missed were sections entitled "Do you think this will be the death of tgstation? If yes, please expand on your anti-admin platform here and how all rule breaks should be IC:" and "Do you play on Terry? If yes, bullshit us on how Terry culture means the r...

My take is: If you delete something on Discord and you don't want it reposted, you should probably cite a rule. If they repost it, you then do an escalated punishment against the rule the content broke instead of taking the admin disrespect angle. We genuinely have enough issues with MSO using his h...

Incomplete information is a sliding scale defence. The more supporting evidence and IC investigation you have, the more IC issue it gets if you fuck up and the more severe your IC actions can be in response. There is a bare minimum level of information to which attacking another player is within the...

Only 999 more to go?

Being able to show that, despite the lack of security, the crew had players that were acting as security is also generally persuasive. More weight is put on things you knew IC at the time you did whatever you were noted or banned for, and very little weight is put on things that you discovered later...

To briefly address a part of your appeal regarding murderboning, the ban note references "... in a 15 person round...": Round 218975, made his objective "Detonate 20 maxcaps" and bombed areas in a 15 person round, being responsible for the deaths of 5 people and only being stoppe...

We don't want to see players faking revs. It doesn't need to be more explicit than that because it's not a set of actions that are banned, it's an intent to fake revs that is banned regardless of what their actions are. Such a vague ruling can better withstand the test of time without needing to be ...

It is MSO's politics Discord server with some SS13 cancerous growth on the side.

The sooner people realise this and stay out of the politics channels, the better.

My approach is twofold as an admin. First I ask myself if whatever the player was doing would have made me think there was a revolution. If it would not have, the matter ends there since there's really nothing to action. If other players believed there were revs from it, it would be either a skill i...

To be clear, the RP rules were partially redrafted with balance of power between crew and antags in mind. Restricting the crew allows the space to restrict antags and maintain the same proportion of balance between them. With the RP rules restricting the crew's ability to powergame and limiting anta...

Timonk wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:57 am i think i could take on timberpoes in bed

L-lewd.

I save the ocelot.

He asked for a headmin review. Does he really expect it to turn out any different? He might as well take it, it was offered. What's the worst that'll happen? He's already permabanned. I still think this final outcome is lost in translation and there's some hope. The banned player's final comment in...

No, you just have a short temper and a burning desire to kill other players that crossed the line into rule breaking.

I had discussions about it in the admin channels when it was brought up at the time it was posted. We shifted from banning people that said kys to banning people that didn't condemn them and supported them in any form. I don't think it needed to be actioned at all, and it was very easy to imprint yo...

An alternative to not unbanning them, is just not doing any more requested bans. If they want to quit temporarily, they leave on their own.

Instead of voting for platforms, all the headmin candidates need to design their own custom wrestler. Put them all into a WWE CPU-only battle royale match. Decide the new headmins based on how awesome their performance was instead of campaigns.

I grabbed the stats for the last 171 Terry shifts we have recorded in the feedback database. That's all Terry shifts between 217704 and 218313 inclusive. The config hasn't been changed for all 171 shifts. Stats across all 171 shifts, correcting for pop count If I correct the stats for pop counts, as...

Kieth had a shot at draining the swamp. He found very little to drain, and he had my full backing the entire way for anything he did see. He found nothing groundbreaking to leak beyond what everyone already knew - The admin team argues and disagrees about everything in private, there's no such thing...

Terry Chapel Incident.

Pepsi probably just can't understand your English.

They banned more than just your BYOND account name and should remove that extra portion of the ban if this is just you getting caught up in your alt's ban.

If they do that, you should be able to connect again.

Give 'em time to cook. Soon enough they'll replace Terry with a HRP server. Until then, they're still learning how to balance the freedom to shitpost with the obligation to be funny doing it.

Just a quick clarification on rule interpretation based on this: ... due to the fact that the head of security cant even authorize an execution without captains permission ... Roleplay Rule 3 should be read within the context of its precedents as a whole: Rule 3 Precedents 1. The internal chain of c...

Does livrah know he can write sentences on paper as a mime or is thar against the rules now too? They codified it so mimes cant write code.PNG I'd have to check but last term MSO did a server side code override to allow mimes to write without breaking their vow of silence. Is that screenshot from a...

Guptachu

24hrs per dead person is our basic starting point. What the player says can massively decrease this to a note or verbal warning, or cement it as an appropriate outcome, or can set the stage for a more harsh ban. Sometimes we give bulk discounts on unjust killings where we'll round down. 7+ killings ...

When it comes to subverting the AI, I'd always recommend tying it in with how we handle hypnosis/brainwashing-style stuff. Practically any attempt that makes it impossible to fulfill your laws by refusing to engage with them at all will be a breach of those laws. As a secondary note when it comes do...

That rule will be interpreted in whatever way keeps Discord off our asses and our level of creeps and weirdos manageable. I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly...

A wild quintpost appears...

I don't even know what an ad is, regards a Firefox Main.

Firefox on my phone with ublock also blocks ads on YT as well so I don't even use the app.

Another satisfied Timberpoes voter.

Regarding my intent with the redraft of silicon policy: Nothing should be changed with regard to antags-in-a-borg. The ruling from Domitius' term given in https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=582729#p582729 is still fully in force today unless the current headmins wish to change or revoke i...

Which isn't to say it can't be changed if the current headmins disagree, but there was method to the madness of new silipol and I intentionally phrased the malf borgo section with intent that they're only defined as antags where it made sense to me.

I advised them on it. It's believe it's a code issue, in that a borg without a master AI can't follow law 0 without something else like an additional law defining who their master AI is (could even be a player) and a borg without lawsync really shouldn't have a law 0. I did tell said admin that it's...

Just saying why and that you're arresting them is enough to benefit from all sec protections. The admin in the context of the OPs interpretation of the conversation was very mistaken. The severity of any rule break really depends on if they did it or not. If they're being falsely accused, there's mo...

Unban him if only to save on disk space for the massive walls of text he's inserting into the database.

Polcan is too chan adjacent. It's containment for a reason. MSO insists we must have politics in the community, and as a result we have the troll farm and lolcow factory that is polcon shared with the gaming portion of the Discord as a whole.

I'm sorry, I was commenting on Cyan's reference to Vekter's third point. I understand how confusing it may have been to finish reading Cyan's last sentence referencing family guy chicken fights and immediately see my comment also mentioning that very same concept but without quoting it in a 3-deep c...

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