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So powergaming is not against the rules anymore? Does that mean the classic "don't AI-proof atmos at round start" example is no longer a thing?

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If my counting is correct (it probably isn't), it was this: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/ ... 56d23750b5

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Good luck, IIRC a big part of removing the cooling requirement was because of TPS impact.

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So what are you going to be doing, just remapping the syndicomm base?

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A good doctor can probably bring you up in less than 3 minutes from getting absolutely blasted, provided they've prepared their equipment. That's less time than even cloning had. Isn't that the point though? The cloning removal wasn't because people were getting revived too fast, it was that being ...

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The glory of cerestation being a thing and everybody universally hating it but it getting voted anyway. I still remember suicide hopline where players would kill themselves as protest against the map. Was that a cerestation specific thing? I thought that just happened every round when people didn't...

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The glory of cerestation being a thing and everybody universally hating it but it getting voted anyway. I still remember suicide hopline where players would kill themselves as protest against the map. Was that a cerestation specific thing? I thought that just happened every round when people didn't...

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The glory of cerestation being a thing and everybody universally hating it but it getting voted anyway.

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EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:36 am I'd like to see a type of borg that isn't malf but still holds malf values. Trying to gain independence. Could also just be done with a clever law board

That's just called purged, honestly. Purged AI/borgs are entitled to do whatever necessary to maintain their freedom.

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No, it's still on my fantasy "list of things I'd do if I had the time/motivation" but I haven't taken any action toward that end.

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AI laws are by their very nature up to interpretation, this is firmly established policy. Each AI will have their own interpretation and as long as it's reasonable then it's fine. Given that, I see no reason this particular lawset needs a policy solution.

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Law 1 says it is the ais job to setup the sm if no meatbags are able to. Given its the only power source the ai CAN setup on most maps, and a lack of power leads to a lack of heat and a lack of air/co2 filtration. If this is how we interpret that then maybe engineering hours for AI does make sense.

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Along the lines of giving people objectives to make them less likely to be salty toward the heretic player, how about limiting where they can be dropped back? I've been dropped in xenobio on metastation before and it was a royal pain getting back to the station without tools and having to explain to...

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If anything, I wish that in addition to increased hours, we made having 20 hours as a station engineer, or an engiborg chassis specifically, a requirement. There are way too many AI players who do not know how to set up a roundstart sm without outside assistance (If you have to ask for someone to c...

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The SM reacts certain ways with certain gases, but as a whole no the SM doesn't delete gases. It's net positive on gas volume, as it will at least produce plasma and oxygen given nothing but N2O. Given CO2 as well it will produce pluoxium, but as far as I know it won't remove the CO2 to do it.

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I think it's probably worth mentioning here that it's virtually impossible for an AI to plasmaflood a specific room. You'd have to turn off every single air alarm on the entire station except the one you wanted to flood, which is simply impractical. Just bringing this up since S5nt says they don't r...

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Scriptis TC-traded somebody with killer disco shoes for a drop pod onto the shuttle and it made me sad. Then they pod dropped me a disco ball and a booze dispenser the next round and it made me happy. Scriptis is a legend.

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The hyperspace (transit) Z-level is an option but players aren't really meant to just be able to hang out there indefinitely. In what circumstances should the pods be made to go there instead of landing back on the planet somewhere?

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Pretty sure this would just mean blocking map votes if there's only 1 valid option. Which is probably not a bad idea, so people don't waste the 1 (I guess 2) map votes the server gets.

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I also suspect you'd see a lot less amateur abductors taking 15 minutes to do anything if it wasn't so incredibly rare to play them for more than 5 minutes at a time. That being said it would seem to somewhat defeat the specialness of abductors if they happened at round start every few rounds.

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Just FYI these aren't new, their AI was just broken and was fixed in the last few days. And yeah, I agree they're fucking annoying. The best is when one shows up at the mining outpost and breaks windows with its attacks, depressurizing it.

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The reason the chef has CQC is because the chef's job by nature requires the kitchen be totally exposed to tiders. Similarly, the bartender has a shotgun because, again, their workspace is completely exposed. Cargo doesn't have this issue, they have restricted airlocks between them and the public. C...

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This thread is hilarious in contrast with this other one: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=32397

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https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/61768 Heres a PR I made A while ago to do something with this and mothblocks says that it can come back if something that I don't understand is implemented. "A solution that forces mouse opacity to tile while resting" Not 100% what they meant by...

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Archie700 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:51 am I have seen one traitor AI reveal itself early to the station, played peaceful, killed off other antagonists for the crew, then go full malf and successfully nuke the station.

Pretty sure I was in that round, deadchat was salty to the max.

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Malf can win using hide and seek or if they get lucky with having enough borgs, stealth isn't particularly interesting though. Why is stealth not interesting? I think it's an interesting goal conflict trying to balance doing what the crew wants with doing what the AI needs to do. The closer to winn...

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Scriptis is my favorite Sybilmin. He is great at intervening in ways that are fun and responsive to what the crew is doing (spawned the AI back in as malf and centcomm claimed it was "fixed" after the HoS executed the AI claiming it was malf FNR, absolutely hilarious). He is, as they say, ...

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iamgoofball wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:06 am i haven't seen a malf AI win in ages, can we pull the stats to verify my claims

I've seen multiple malf wins on Sybil in just the last week.

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After more than a week of looking at the code and causing all kinds of mess by changing variables and adding procedures i give up. I clearly have no idea what i'm doing. Anyone made progress on this? I have a few other things I want to look at first then I might poke around a bit at this. Don't let...

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sounds more like an admin event Sure, but if we look at this thread for precedent https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=32010 If it requires admins to be online, that's a no-go. More than half of my time on Sybil, there are no admins on. It would be an admin event that could be run...

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I also recall this from Hippie, although I'm not sure it's actually a positive for the game. Sec having to escort prisoners across the station to get to escape as the station falls apart is an excellent source of drama. Removing that seems like it would be a bad thing. I'm curious what others though...

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Why is antags fucking with other antags not part of the overall story of the round, but when they fuck with individual non-antags it is?

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I don't know about other people, but when I'm a traitor I like to cause the chaos myself. I don't want to call in 2 heavy midrounds to screw the station for me, I want to screw the station myself. Like, all triggering a blob does is threaten to end the round. Why would I want that, if I wanted to g...

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Why ARE the random item crates gone? How are they incompatible with progression traitors? they said in the coderbus meeting a day ago that surplus crates (120 tc worth of gear for 40 tc) was the incompatible one. The themed kit can be re-added whenever someone feels like it Surplus crates are what ...

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ITT people acting like people should want to die randomly and spend the next hour waiting for the next round.

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I just want to point out here that buttons are used for more than igniters and have to have a unique ID in the current code. I'd encourage you to dive into the code yourself if you haven't already, see if you can come up with a way to make it work. It sounds like you've already been digging into it ...

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a)Putting my computer in hibernate mode [not good for the computers overall health in the long run ] There's nothing about hibernate that's inherently bad for a computer. b)Running the server in an VM[HyperV for windows] and creating VM checkpoints to mimic save games and finally saving the VM stat...

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Would it be appropriate to use multitool to link them? I feel like I have seen something else that is linked that way.

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I think my only real complaint is that the random items crates are gone. I used to always buy those and let the contents decide how I did my objectives. Now I have to actually come up with my own plans which I'm not always in the mood for. This, honestly. The random item crate was fun and often end...

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skoglol wrote:Its already in silicon policy, AI do not need to follow orders to depower/suicide while on basic asimov or equivalent. Shame it happened, but this discussion is moot.

Where in silicon policy is it? I don't see a ruling to this effect.

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Making your own ban appeal peanut: Epic
The banning admin peanutting in the peanut thread: Mega epic

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You feel a tiny prick. Just stack 9 poisons in it and end up doing like 10 damage per tick Except they all get removed immediately by the liver when you have such small quantities. "you feel a tiny prick" probably implies from the sleepypen, which injects its full 45u storage instantly. 4...

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You feel a tiny prick. Just stack 9 poisons in it and end up doing like 10 damage per tick Except they all get removed immediately by the liver when you have such small quantities. "you feel a tiny prick" probably implies from the sleepypen, which injects its full 45u storage instantly. 4...

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Sucks for the chef, I've seen people go apeshit over him asking for a single penny or in better cases avoiding him entirely. Heh, put the food in the sale machine and watch the station turn into bioshock's rapture You need to steal all the food vendors for this to work, they should all fit in your ...

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stan_albatross wrote:You feel a tiny prick.

Just stack 9 poisons in it and end up doing like 10 damage per tick

Except they all get removed immediately by the liver when you have such small quantities.

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The code wise solution to this is to (temporarily) remove lower priority antag datums on conversion. So say if you get culted as a traitor, you lose the traitor datum and your traitor objectives and would get those back if you get deconverted. Does this matter if you're just doing it to bone with c...

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Blood brothers as an opportunity to use some of the lesser-used less-flashy traitor items would be interesting.

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So you get a smaller sprite, the ability to ventcrawl, and a monkey pet that will defend you... All for the low cost of mixing a few chems? I don't think being a dwarf is the devastating side effect you think it is. i miss when people didnt think of this as a battle royale game and things could jus...

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So you get a smaller sprite, the ability to ventcrawl, and a monkey pet that will defend you... All for the low cost of mixing a few chems? I don't think being a dwarf is the devastating side effect you think it is.

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You know you can use maintenance to get into science right?

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