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Well the logging issue for this is already up on github so this is unlikely to happen again

This is resolved so shuffling off

This is why you need shadowplay while playing ss13. Logs are great but man do people just take them at face value without thinking much about it. This is the first time in my 5 years of being an admin the logs I've used have been wrong, and this is what appeals are for, the whole thing was sorted v...

Okay, ban reduced to merely a day and note changed to reflect the new information we have: Manufactured two hellfire grenades which were stolen by someone else and activated on the emergency shuttle via signaller, sometimes its best to save the super WMD weapons for just when you're an antag Apologi...

Alright, we have done some testing because we did find something after we went through the game log some more https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/terry/data/logs/2024/04/12/round-227091/game.txt It does appear that someone else pulsed the grenades as you said, and we tested this in the thunderdome t...

Here's the related log if anyone wants to look through it https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/terry/data/logs/2024/04/12/round-227091/attack.txt As far as I'm aware, our logging system is pretty robust when it comes to these things, and if someone were to fire it off with signaller, it would have to...

I don't really know what to say here, you just posted the logs I pretty much posted to you, as evidence, that you primed those grenades [2024-04-12 16:08:23.318] ATTACK: Lizardboreansupersoldier/(Michel Garland) (mob_3436) primed a chemical grenade at Emergency Shuttle (89,49,14) containing: (metama...

This is the kind of lawyer you don't want defending you for anything

Personally speaking I'd have banned you for this on an LRP server so being noted for it on MRP isn't arguing escalation policy, it's getting off lightly New escalation even states: Killing a crewmate is a severe response, and requires severe justification to do, such as those in Rule 1's precedents,...

The rule 5 change is similar to my own proposed change regarding that so I'm all for it For those people complaining about being targeted IC for not doing the bare minimum because they're antag I have two words for you Skill issue Seriously, if you can't be bothered to do the bare minimum and try an...

For clarity sake, I was the one who handled this ticket. I did speak to the detective involved and they said to me during this that they searched anyone suspicious which honestly is like 90% of the crew, rather than it being truly "random" I think searching people running around in maint t...

I think the CE should try and ensure stuff gets fixed as part of their management of the department, but engineers not fixing stuff is an IC issue (which the CE is well within their rights to demote people for) And the same for the medical example, CMO should try and ensure people are getting healed...

Alright, here's where it was at with my current draft: 5. Players in a head of staff, AI/Silicon role, or a team conversion role, require a minimum amount of effort to do their job and/ or assist their team directly or indirectly to accomplish their goals. Also players in any role should ensure thei...

I do feel that revival of bodies is a critical service, and, within reason, should be done by a member of medical staff yes if bodies are piling up (and nobody else is doing it) Someone else mentioned (this was in admin discussions in discord) about a previous headmin term that was discussing having...

This is the rule as it stands now: 5. Players in a head of staff, AI/Silicon role, or a team conversion role require a minimum amount of effort; generally considered to be not logging out at or near roundstart. Notify admins if you cannot play these roles and must leave near round start and make an...

This is the rule as it stands now: 5. Players in a head of staff, AI/Silicon role, or a team conversion role require a minimum amount of effort; generally considered to be not logging out at or near roundstart. Notify admins if you cannot play these roles and must leave near round start and make an ...

If you can justify why that service is not being given, from an in-character perspective with a reasonable reason, that's the end of it as far as I'm concerned I feel a point people have brought up is being ignored here. The issue isn't being able to justify yourself or not. The issue is it would f...

Some people seem to have misunderstand my proposed rule change 5. Players in a head of staff, AI/Silicon role, or a team conversion role, require a minimum amount of effort to do their job and/ or assist their team directly or indirectly to accomplish their goals. Also players in any role should en...

As for the security example, I don't know what planet a "basic level of service" means "kill all the antags with no mercy or get bwoinked" comes from, and I don't think rule 5 would cover security anyway because they already have their own expectations That is not the point of m...

Some people seem to have misunderstand my proposed rule change 5. Players in a head of staff, AI/Silicon role, or a team conversion role, require a minimum amount of effort to do their job and/ or assist their team directly or indirectly to accomplish their goals. Also players in any role should ens...

Yeah, I think there's some leniency here, as I say, I'm open to changes, but the core is basically the frustration of people abandoning their job, on a regular basis, I think if you want to do some gimmick, that's fine, but at least make sure your department isn't going to be fucked over by it (I th...

You misunderstand, I'm not forcing people to do anything beyond ensure their department is functional Your example, if you don't know the SM. If you ask that another engineer does and they take responsibility for it, then as far as I'm concerned, you've fulfilled your obligation Again, miners, as lo...

Alright, let me break it down for you, because that title might have some people wondering what the hell I'm talking about Basically, over the years, I personally feel the LRP servers are slowly but surely drifting towards NRP. I'm sure some people who've been around as long as I have, probably feel...

A lot of admins have old notes as well, it's not worth spending any time on honestly because no admin is ever going to bring up such an old note, and nobody cares enough to put any time into removing them all

Holy fuck that's a long ass appeal I'm going to break it down for people who don't want to read a novel Cyborg was subverted by a robo, pretty clearly with no loopholes Robo asked cyborg to state laws, cyborg disobeyed (breaking it's laws), and ran off I don't know what else happened because fuck re...

Just play LRP because holy shit that history of security notes and bans is quite extensive

If it's fun hating to stop people using exploits to get into centcomm z level to break into the mafia minigame and ruin it (as well as using meta-information to know that the mafia game is even ongoing), then I'd consider the majority of us to be fun hating Breaking the rules just because you don't ...

Given every round I play seems to have 85 threat or higher and playing black orbit / midnight sun every round means it's more a battle for survival than a chance to do anything else, these kind of rounds are fun occasionally but not at this volume So I definitely support a reduction in threat, the g...

Okay the note will now expire in 3 months

Okay, I can understand real life gets in the way sometimes, so this does seem unduly harsh

That being said, it's not been long, and this is more of a "tracking" note, as it were

So I'm willing to make this an expiring note which will delete in 3 months time, does that sound fair?

Okay great, I'll close this Otherwise, if you do have security saying "yes that was a random search" by all means, adminhelp it, I know I'd be quite happy to speak to the security doing that and telling them not to (especially for "trolling" because it's really not funny) and I i...

Okay, note now reads: Overescalation, killed the HOS after being permabrigged for having the hand tele, claiming having their heirloom taken off them was reason enough for this, you can't use having a bad character mood as justification for murder - Also partial justification being that they felt th...

Sure, I don't mind adding it, given it was part of your reasoning

If you felt it was a random search, and it wasn't actually a random search..do you want that adding to the note? That's all I'm seeing here

Funny that job bans have been in the game for many many years and I don't recall anyone ever asking for it to be in the rules that you can't evade one As timber said, if we have to put in the rules page that it's against the rules to evade a job ban, despite everyone playing (apparently) being an ad...

Generally fugitives are "neutral-ish" but if said fugitive is stealing shit and then attacking a moth who tries to arrest him, I'd say that's a fuck about and find out moment Throwing them into space is a bit much perhaps but if you're not on the manifest, I'd say that voids some of your p...

Given how long ago these changes were made this is hardly a real claim that they've had a negative impact given it's taken someone fucking years to actually complain about it AA being given to everyone was a nightmare administratively also so I don't think many admins are going to disagree with that...

Frivolous deadchat ban (fake news because it's a 5 minute mute) and yet the complaint seems even more frivolous, I can't get the time back for my life for reading that nonsense

How much sympathy for this person remains? I don't believe much

If it ain't broke don't fix it What we have now, it works, it might not be perfect, but it works, and in place of anyone suggesting any serious alternatives to improve it, I don't see why notes being a punishment or not is even relevant Notes are notes, they do NOT stop you doing anything in game, o...

If only people would stop bringing super lethal things to the shuttle for EORG these things wouldn't keep happening

Not sure what this player expected, the shuttle is usually a clusterfuck and out of your control at the best of times

As the person who pushed for the original policy of this, yeah, hard agree Murderboning is a term that's now thrown around for single kills, and the meaning of it just isn't the same (for those not old like myself and vekter, murderboning was the term for trying to murder as many people on the stati...

All those people with a dislike for how we admin things here need to realise, this is what awaits you outside TG, you don't have it that bad

Should have adminhelped this and I'm sure an admin would have yeeted the HoP off command for a while instead

If you put it on event hall I'll admin this shit, my sacred home (although perhaps not for long)

Is the chances of this spawning related to any config or anything? I've been here, well, forever, apparently this code has been in the game for a few years now whereby this spectral trumpet can spawn, albeit very very rarely And then in the space of 2 weeks or so we've had it spawn 3 times whilst I'...

I can't imagine this not being revoked at some point, once everyone's had a calm discussion about events and cooled down a little

Vekters done more for removing shitters from our servers than anyone

Imho you can playmin as an antagonist and still do it for betterment of the round. Ofc it kinda brings the question "why would you restrict yourself to antag, instead of doing totally custom thing that is designed to be a challenge/sign/opportunity for the crew. I'm not gonna try to decree whe...

The main issues here are: Spawning yourself in for a gimmick is fine but when dynamic makes you an antag, just remove it / give it to someone else Spawning shit as antag, if it's an event thing, that's fine, but this was a dynamic, not event I hear a lot of noise about spawning himself in as acting ...

This is a drop in ocean I believe regarding server finances, but any money is useful

I think of you added more you have more chance personally

I could be wrong here but as far as I'm aware, escalating in-game doesn't disqualify you from ahelping a situation, but it does make the situation messier for an admin. There is something to be said for the fact that admins are trained for a reason, not everything will be simple and it would be a s...

Tomatoes apparently have capsaicin in them by default, this is probably what happened here, would be nice if that could be removed because it also fucks over (although not entirely) making tomato ketchup from grinding them Also I ate a big tomato and got 3rd degree burns on all 6 parts of my body an...

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