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So, let's face it. SS13 is played in a way, way, way more powergame manner here in TYOOL 2022 compared to when all the rules about not pre-emptively prepping for malf AI were written and designed.

Those rules were written for an era where the crew was not roundstart arming for war ops tier threats every shift and security wasn't allowed to antag check random people via shotgunning them into crit, checking their bags for antag items, and leaving them in medbay lobby dying if they find none. The fact of the...

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When a traitor takes a final objective, they can no longer take any more objectives and are automatically awarded greentext. Most final objectives are usually station destruction or mass panic/mayhem, so it would make sense that (on MRP) traitors would be allowed to do whatever they want now that they've reached their final objective.

It's similar to heretic ascension or AI going delta, since their goals are usually focused on causing as much death as possible. Final objectives are still an optional...

The new escalation policy confuses me and I'd like to open a discussion about it to get clarification.

If an arrest is not obviously valid, it follows standard escalation Non-antag players may lose any OOC and IC protections if they choose this path and should consider ahelping if they believe they did nothing to warrant being arrested.

In resisting arrest, non-antags should not loot officers and should not detain or incapacitate officers any longer than is necessary to escape or explain themselves....

It's really annoying that we have a place where unused sprites are supposed to go, but only things that are fully removed end up there. Things that are updated don't make the cut, so if you want to see old clothing or the 4x back iteration of medikits because they've been resprited AGAIN you have to go poking at the changelog for that .dmi file.

Is it too much to ask that if you change sprites you change that repo as well? (yes)
Could I take up this torch and do it myself if it is so important to me? (yes...

I think stasis beds as a concept are flawed. They take away to most thrilling aspect of our medicine system namely the time pressure. There are already plenty of medicines or methods you can use to stabilise a patients, the sleeper just makes everything non-urgent.

I've noticed this pattern of players who are so invested in their characters/winning that they cannot accept death, or loss.
It upsets me because it leads to behavior counter to what I believe the game to be about, like intentionally not killing/reviving after targets as antags because they're my friends/I don't want to be mean , or getting so wrapped up in winning that you ruin the story of the round.

I believe this is a player mindset issue, caused by time and coders slowly taking the edge off things,...

it is my genuine belief that we(/tg/ players) are heading down a hole of self indulgence and a spiral of hate.
I don't like to keep things long and I have a hard time explaining things, recently people have made groups to put themselves in to go against others. The players hate the coders, and admins The coders hate the players and the admins hate the players.

This is not everyone not even a majority but a loud minority. But its turned into a hate triangle(I just made this word up) I don't care much about...

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The changes:
Mechs should be able to open stuff like they're holding a crowbar - firelocks and de-powered doors.

I feel like this shouldn't be too controversial an idea, but here's my reasoning:
It's a complete embarrassment to be marching around in a durand and not be able to open a firelock - but also able to punch it down! Similarly, for the odysseus and clarke, being able to respond to emergencies like fires or hull breaches is rendered almost completely moot, since firelocks always come down; I don't...

Nothing particularly fancy but this is a watered down version of what i was thinking about earlier today, the full monty idea could be its own server...

> Boxstation gets a revamp to be a medieval castle with stone walls replacing regular walls and reinforced metal foundations in the place of our plasteel walls, much of the machinery & jobs are jiggled about, just for a one off or specially arranged medieval mode round. It could even be the effect of a certain wizard spell to aesthetically & practically...

I come back after a couple month hiatus because all the nerfs to mining. And science was hit by a wave of bureaucratic bullsh*t. Not ONLY do I have to Physically Repair the Damn Toxins room on EVERY station before I can make ANYTHING. But I have to Make Copies, Distribute, And Publish In order to make Any progress. Now that May seem nice on paper to the dozen or so people who Exclusively play when ONLY 50+ people are on a server and Everyone Needs something to do. But when ther is a Single guy in science...

It feels to me that the process of making balancing changes could use work. Quite often issues are debated in length but even for the issues that reach consensus quite often nothing is done in terms of making actual PRs. I feel a large part of this is that every balance change is by default met with resistance and people don't know if their effort will go to waste. It is way more fun and often easier accepted to just slap a new feature together. I think it would really help if there was more structure to...

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Hi everyone, I am Fikou, a player, ex-admin and maintainer of tgstation running for Head Admin this time.

Stuff I did:

- Played since april 2018, amassing over 3k hours in the space game.
- Became an events mapper in october 2019, contributing to our yearly events like the Toolbox Tournament since then.
- Became an admin in february 2021, adminning actively throughout that time and hosting many events like car station or clock cult after clock cult was removed .
- Got promoted to be an admin...

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I'm Omega_DarkPotato, or OmegaDark, a sybil admin, admin trainer, and discord jannie. I've been with the admin team for roughly a year, and was one of the first admins to get picked up through the forums-based admin applications thread.

I've since made use of that applications thread to give advice to applicants and spark conversation with other trainers through applicants' responses - forumposters will know that my applications...

Chameleon Projector usage makes your claustrophobia kick in! Not fun to find out.

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Hi, I'm Spookuni, poster of massive walls of text in policy discussion, on the github, and generally anywhere people will let me be opinionated.

I started on /tg/ in late 2019 on Bagil, moved over to Manuel a couple months after it started because of arseholes being griefers, and have played there since.

For some reason the current headmins have decided that I'd be a good person to keep the lights on and weigh in on questions of policy with massive text walls as the coming triumvirate's host vote...

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HEY HEY HEY!

For August 2022, the acclaimed POSITIVEENTROPY AKA Imaginos enters the head admin election race!

What I have done!

- /tg/station Admin since April 1st 2021, AdminTrainer since April 17th, 2022! (Actively adminned since then!)
- Candidated Sightld2 on July 17th, 2022!
- Actively contributed as a /tg/station spriter since February 18th, 2021, getting /tg/ to become more and more visually modern, having 49 PRs merged in total!
- Became a /tg/station spritetainer in the 25th of November,...

Hello, I'm Riggle

Sorry, I still don't know you you are
Me neither

What are your plans?

Swift headmin matter resolution and bureaucracy reduction with the use of automated tools
Keep LRP where it is . Rule 4 is not going anywhere. While there are some NRP problems, it's largely in a good place
Try to promote non-hostile server interaction and reduce overall hostility and server tribalism
Continue working on Campbell my beloved
Last election I said I got old 2019 /tg/ code working. Since then...

Hello, It’s me again- kieth4/Lukas Beedell. I’m going to be as always running as the candidate of LRP. Know that if you are a player voting for me- I will do my very best to represent you. I know a lot of you are jaded, recent things brought to light make you feel like there’s no trust. If elected, I will do my very fucking best to combat these issues and return you to a position where you feel like you can trust.

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1: Thieves policy rework- More freedom.
2:...

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Hi there, I'm RaveRadbury, one time headmin and many time headmin runner up! I love the heck out of this game and community, I'm running so I can keep things running smoothly, make new exciting things happen and give back! Last election I lost out to my trainee Mr Melbert and the fabulous Mothblocks, which was super fun and they did a fantastic job. Wow! Let's see what happens this...

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/tg/station servers Player since March 2019 (ssethtider)

Four years is a pretty long time, wouldn’t you agree?

I played mostly on Events Hall-US when that was set up for the overflow server, and that’s where I fell in love with this game. I followed the populations to Bagil and then Sybil, which is now where I currently reside. If you want to sweat me...

Floating this idea for some time and after a recent discussion on Sybil, took the opportunity to put it together.

Death is only the beginning

For years Nanotrasen dealt with a fair share of supernatural enemies such as wizards, vampires, zombies, revenants and blood cults, so why not throwing another horror staple into the fray? Enter the Space Mummy, a creature that's the embalmed body of a notorious member of a lost spacefaring civilization.

Once triggered as a midround antagonist, a mysterious...

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i want an excuse to breathalyze people as security and arrest them for being too damn drunk

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Your side of the story: It was a pretty empty shift, I had 2 hellfoam grenades...

Your selectable age as a character is hardcoded to be between 17 and 85. It seems reasonable that someone running TG code may want to raise these numbers.

Playing Sunless Seas recently, the Seven Canto Ambition was a pretty great. It makes me question if /tg/station books could have an in game effect.
Here's what I am suggesting. After getting a certain accomplishment, the next book a player writes and autographs will cause other players who read it to get a minor benefit. I don't want assistants running to the library, printing out the same 5 books and unlocking every perk every round, so the library catalog has no game effect.
Let me give some examples of...

Came up with it when playing with holodisks & projecting messages onto the altar/using the request AI presence button .

On a lot of maps, the chapel has a holopad placed as a centerpiece. A chaplain inputs the initial prayer asking for an audience, administrator chooses the form to appear as (for instance, right now AIs are a Cortana-esque thing by default but can display as Nar'Sie) and the hijinks ensue.

A remark in dead chat during one of the gang rounds yesterday got me thinking: what if the AI/Silicons could also be officially chosen as a gang of sorts for Gang mode? I mean, the objectives for both round types are kind of similar in their own ways, and with a few modifications I think that it could be an interesting twist on the typical Gang round.

-The AI cannot either cannot shunt, or Gangsters should have access to pinpointers once the AI goes Delta
-Instead of starting with all the Malf abilities...

I feel like the direction the game is going is that every job is becoming more complex and that they require more and more experience to perform. I personally think that more complex =/= better by definition.

There was a time when I was able to perform every job on the station and it felt really good to use these systems as a traitor to achieve your goals. Quickly hop into chemistry, make some useful poisons or other stuff and use them for your shenanigans. Nowadays I just avoid doing that because the...

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I've read previous threads on this and understand how drones are hellish to balance.

Also, as per previous posts, they're virtually unplayable - not the least of which is the fact that you have to have joined and loaded the dispenser because no one else does it and it starts unloaded.

Consider instead of*** having drone access by default (after x hours) and rescinded after shittery, have it be unavailable until explicitly granted, maybe associated with a discord account plus playtime or something. It...

The Navigation menu is a replacement for our prior system of directional pinpointers and the directionally challenged perk. It's pretty good! However, if you take the blind quirk, the navigation line only extends in a one tile radius around you and is greyscale. Given how rapid station designs can change due to our dedicated team of mappers and coders I think it would be better if the navigation line was 1. in color and 2. appeared over the blind overlay. I think it is reasonable that Nanotrasen employees...

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This is mostly a continuation of this thread of course: But It is an actual implementable proposal instead of a general discussion and I think it is good to separate the two.

I think silicons should be exempt from rule 4, specifically the part about being able to treat antagonists like you want. Why? Because without this they will never be a third party, just validhunters with varying amounts of limitation.

Antag status is too deeply ingrained in all silicon thinking, currently even human traitors get...

Heretics very rarely ascend, and when they do it's either in a lowpop round or a round so insanely chaotic that they can sacrifice people in the open without stealth mattering. Most heretics don't use spells until they ascend because having a focus on you is equivalent to running around with a 357 in your belt slot as a traitor - you'd get instantly valided, and the spells aren't good enough to combat all of security and the validhunters that are on your tail.

The antag type is currently feast or famine -...

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