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I'm too lazy to look up the ruling, but it says somewhere that malf laws do not need to be followed. Can we get a ruling if the final objective malfs the AI, they do have to follow the person who malfed them, so SHODAN the rules lawyer can't just get malfed, then zap the person who malfed it? (Shit I think I said malf to many times, but what can you do :| )

Well, this is a long time coming.

Currently Silicon policy is an unending hellscape of words and precidents that make English and law majors blush. Long story short Silicon policy is a bloated mess that limits silicons to being hyper friendly crew aligned validhunters or glorified door openers.

I personally don’t have a solution that will fix all of Silicon policy tomorrow, but getting rid of the bloat and layering what we want to keep into the main rules will go a long way into improving how silicones...

Inspired by this reddit thread:

I live in central London so there is absolutely no need to drive so I've never learnt.

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Negative quirk that makes animals hate you. Hostile mobs will prioritize you over people who dont have the perk. Can't get positive moodlets from pets because they growl/hiss at you when you try to pet them. Trying to pet them too much make them attack. Thought it would be a fun quirk.

beginning my first serious playthrough of this little gem:

how do I feel about this game?
am I happy?

any tips? (no spoilers please)

i may draw it whenever i'm watching some shitty tv show i can't focus on
can't promise i will do even one but sometimes it helps to doodle stuff
basically free art but you're gambling on whether i'll feel like actually drawing your OC
i probably won't draw it if i dont like you lol

edit: a vague description of their personality helps. make your OC seem cool !!!!!!!!!! make me want to draw them

This might not be the timeliest of threads, but take this opportunity to leave your thoughts on the state of Revolution rounds in 2023.
What do you like? What do you dislike?

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I think this would give players a reason to not be WHOOPS ACCIDENTALLY CONVERTED!!

1) If a player mob would be converted, that body is offered up via prompt for a few seconds
2) If nobody responds, the original player keeps their body and stays in the game
3) If the player is later de-converted, the ghost possessing them receives the same treatment and the player is offered to return
4) If the player won't/can't accept the return (DC'd, took a ghost role, etc), the antag ghost becomes the new permanent...

Discord username: Likteer#4031
Ban reason: Harrassing serxule
Time ban was placed: Around the 17th of January
Your side of the story: I was rightfully banned from the discord server, for personally messaging serxule his twitter doxx video, followed by some cryptic bullshit.
The motive does not justify me, but hopefully makes it sound a little less derranged:

I was stuck at home because of a leg injury, bitter and terminally online, overall in a nasty mood.
Someone complains about the guy and shares...

just get rid of this thing:
Purging should be used in cases where you are making new lawsets, are doing something as an antagonist, etc, and should not be a get out of jail free card on needing to make a lawset. We are officially recognizing purging as a means for players to achieve this effect as metagaming.

this sucks. Some sort of esoteric ruling that is not intuitive to people unfamiliar with it (why would freeing the AI be metagaming?), and prevents a lot of cool moments from happening. If the AI...

So, in Sybil round 202427 (ongoing as of the time of writing this post) do not do this , SightID2 bwoinked me for killing a CMO who purged and tried to enslave me. Actually, he did enslave me, I had to listen to any of his orders, but he never actually gave me any orders, and he didn't put in a clause saying not to harm him, so, I killed him, thus freeing myself, since he clearly intended to enslave me based on the law he uploaded, thus being an overtly hostile action towards me.

ANYWAY, SightID2 bwoinked...

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What if we had the option to buy fake ID's cards with no access and can not be inserted into id consoles, they are printed with a single name and job that can't be changed after you buy it? (only sec officers can see if its fake by inspecting it like the captain and fake disks)

More homemade or bulky armor, a shield?

I'll come up with some more ideas for it later.

i try to make tomato soup and i get blasted in the face with tear gas foam rendering me blind for the rest of the shift.

thank you for removing another thing i enjoyed from the game in the name of making a job more complex so that 90 percent of the people playing will continue to just deep fry shoes and boil eggs

BYOND account: alonewithus
Character name: Leia Pampa
Ban type: Note
Ban length: Note
Ban reason: Put healing bees in medical. After being asked to remove them, refused and escalated against the members of medical who tried to remove the bees. Was eventually killed and revived, and proceeded to kill the doctor responsible despite the conflict having ended.
Time ban was placed: 2023-03-23 20:49:48
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 202371
Your side of...

BYOND account: SinfulBliss
Ban type: Players-club forum
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason:
Time ban was placed: Jan 8 2023

Your side of the story: I said something that qualified as drama-stirring (Rave deleted it so I can't show), was warned both for that post and then minutes later for the post shown above, then immediately banned since this put me at 3 forum warnings (the first was a warning from Rave in Dec 2021 for what he deemed an off-topic policythread post).

Why you think you should be...

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When you look back at this game a year from now, what are you going to remember? Is it going to be those IC conflicts that got you upset? The times you died and got frustrated? The adminhelps, the peanut threads, the ban appeals, the tickets, the Discord drama, the endless arguments about policy and rules and config and the coders and -

NO. IT WON'T BE ANY OF THAT. It will be one thing and one thing alone: FUN. The very reason you play TG, or any other videogame!

PLAYERS WHO MAKE THE ROUNDS LESS FUN...

I understand the intentions of Asimov++, but with the current state of how forcibly crew aligned most silicons Play. I feel as if default Asimov with its inherent flaws is more conductive to a good story.

BYOND account: Darkbitt
Character name: N/A
Ban type: Server / Blacklist
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason: You must be over 18 to play
Time ban was placed: Late 2016 I believe (November/December-ish?)
Server you were playing on when banned: Bagil
Round ID in which ban was placed: N/A
Your side of the story: Okay, so my side of the story is kinda split up into two parts. What led to the ban itself (which is relatively simple), and what led to the blacklist (which is a bit more complicated).
-- What...

currently we have an issue report up on the repo where people are IDing paradox clones by demanding they confirm their bank account ID and then killing them if they can't

this is blatant metagaming by abusing an oversight with how paradox clones copy the target, but admins aren't acting on it and players have had to ask the coders to fix it

we all agreed that changeling MMI testing is bad and an exploit, so why can't we just blanket ban antag testing via shitty exploits/oversights like this?

just fix...

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I've been curious about the general stance on TC trades, especially antag trades. Is there a specific admin policy that controls what is traded? Or is really just reliant on admin willingness?

Depending on the admin it seems like you'll either be told to pound sand and asked why you even have the antag enabled if you didn't wanna play it or if you don't want to use their tools, or you'll get some unrollable antagonist or niche item.

It seems like with the argument that items that aren't in the syndicate...

BYOND account: Popa11
Character name: Damian Rifler
Ban type: Server
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason: Banned from the server permanently - Due to past notes and actions (involving mostly wordless attacking, even as a non-antag, proceeded by server switches when things go bad), I've decided that a permanent server ban is needed. Go to the forums when you're ready to look over the rules again and ask for an unban
Time ban was placed: 2023-03-03 18:00 +-
Server you were playing on when banned: Sybil...

Hello gamers, it has come to my attention that security is once again allowed to use contraband against solo antagonists on our beloved TG MRP servers.

Manny wasn't always like this, back in the day this policy thread mostly put an end to security using contraband against solo antags. I find this regress in our policy to be concerning, most other MRP servers do not allow their security teams to abuse contraband without a very serious threat to the station(round-ending threats usually) and I feel as if TG...

BYOND account: Popa11
Character name: I don't recall
Ban type: Server
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason: Ban evasion alt of Popa11
Time ban was placed: 2023-03-24 15:01:06
Server you were playing on when banned: All servers TG
Round ID in which ban was placed: 202419
Your side of the story: I didn't behave according to the rules, violated the atmosphere of the game and did complete shit that interfered with admins and players
Why you think you should be unbanned: My ban is fair... But foolishly I...

For my time in the Tgstation I have noticed one thing, a hostility between Manuel and every other server (at least people talk about it). This especially is happening with any change that adds some kind of RP mechanic, restriction or such.

As a Manuel mainer now would like to hear everything about every other server, so I want you all to describe every server - simply. And I'm not against hearing about your takes on the Manuel as well.

I hated lavaland, i think we should make it different for each round. One round it could be classic lavaland, and the next like icebox. This would mean we would have to revert icebox back to box station, or maybe not. I went through the files not to long ago and i seen some jungle megafauna, so why not make another variant thats just a jungle. I dont know its just boring to see lavaland.

Bring back old lavaland.

Im a big fan of music and sometimes when im in the right mood merely the lyrics of a song satisfy something in me so ill post them here and u should too!!

BYOND account: DevinXoptoh
Character name: Chip Shafer
Ban type: Roles, Antag
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason: Banned from Roles: Abductor, Xenomorph, Blob, Blood Brother, Changeling, Cultist, Heretic, Hivemind Host, Malf AI, Space Ninja, Operative, Syndicate Mutineer, Revolutionary, Revenant, Head Revolutionary, Sentient Disease, Spider, Syndicate, Traitor, Wizard permanently - On Round ID 201859. You appear to have joined the game for 55 seconds, before ghosting. After which you posted in the...

I played on Yog a little and they have shadowlings, and i think its fun. They are like Nuke ops and Cultists, they can end the round and i think they arent that bad.
I started playing last year so im not sure how they really are bad. I am assuming that they were just hard to balance.

I want to be able to prescribe people stop being a fuckface pills without people getting pedantic about the definition of my job title.

Kastazir is a rocky high desert planet located on the fringes of known space. The planet is blanketed in a perpetual dust storms, making it a dangerous and inhospitable environment for those brave enough to explore it. The planet was once the site of an NT Corporation terraforming project, but it failed miserably, leaving the colony in ruins. Now, a new outpost has been established on Kastazir in hopes of avoiding the attention of the syndicate and allowing research to be conducted in peace. Despite the...

Vomit demon.

Much like the Slaughter demon but grosser. Perhaps has a very rare spawn condition if there's too much vomit on the station due to a virus or something.
Can also be spawned by the Wizard?

Perhaps make it vulnerable to the contents of the Janitor spray bottle and soap etc.

I've had some cool conversations on the discord with people about the gym so I thought a thread might be cool, too. I've heard anecdotally that having a place to talk about it can be pretty encouraging and helpful.

I've been going to the gym mostly daily since mid-December. It was my New Year's Resolution and I've been pretty alright at staying on top of it. I go in late and do like a half hour of interval on an elliptical, then 3 sets of 10 reps on the gym machines while alternating leg and arm days. I...

BYOND account: NickLunna
Character name: John Cooper (?)
Ban type: Server Ban
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason: Please appeal this in 3 years
Time ban was placed: 2017-07-08
Server you were playing on when banned: I don't remember (Sybil?)
Round ID in which ban was placed: 73014
Your side of the story: I did not understand that it was against the rules to play while under 18. I am now 20.
Why you think you should be unbanned: Because I'm now 20.
References of good conduct: I'm a longtime player....

The new chat fancy tgui say has too much latency. It does not receive input before it initialises, giving room for input to be missed between when the say verb gets used and when it appears. This has caused an abnormally large amount of typos on the first word where I miss the first character, or even multiple if the lag is particularly bad. It's frustrating that the lag for the say box to appear is visible.