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This is the only part I'm going to respond to, because it's the only part I care about addressing. What you did with that ban was far and beyond what an unbiased individual should have been doing, and has already been heavily discussed. I'm pretty sure we have an archive on the forums if you really...

I'm actually the final sequel of the 1980 rebuild, 1984.0 + 1.01 Thrice Upon A Blacklist

Honestly, player concerns are irrelevant. If MSO wanted to reveal any evidence of why he placed them on the blacklist, he can. Until MSO does that, the rest of us can genuinely pound sand. The headmins aren't leaking any evidence, obviously. And I'm fine with that. Hell, I even prefer it. The fastes...

I was told that I was misbehaving, was a problem child and and had to sit down and concentrate or I'd fail school. I failed school, got life experience working for a few years, learned to overcome and then actually apply my mental health problems for my own empowerment, went to university and got a ...

Edit: I also hope the people who peanutted on his appeal are punished because they usually aren't. More people speaking out of their arses on this one. Full fact reveal. The peanut post was an oranges shitpost that was in the approval queue. It was approved by an admin. I modified the post author t...

A number of other "recent" blacklist appeals have been under my headmin terms. In the process of that I make a judgement call on if the blacklist appeal has any merit at all conceptually due to extreme passage of time, evidence of reform, evidence of mistake, sincere apology, effort and th...

Honestly? Very little merit is put in earning the trust and faith of the players in this very limited and specific instance. Information is being kept confidential. I prefer it that way. I'd like to know that if there was a huge leak of my secret ERP metacord that saw me deadminned, the headmins wo...

Also it shouldn't come as a surprise that players, infact, don't see 99% of the admin stuff we do. They only see the 1% of appeals and permabans. If you think this is bad, imagine all the information that's being hidden from you concerning every other permanent ban placed and every other non-permane...

Honestly? Very little merit is put in earning the trust and faith of the players in this very limited and specific instance. Information is being kept confidential. I prefer it that way. I'd like to know that if there was a huge leak of my secret ERP metacord that saw me deadminned, the headmins wou...

What the admin team sees is the tip of the iceberg. What the players see is the tip of the iv ory tower on the top of that iceberg. Across my two terms as headmin, I have been privy to more private, confidential and privileged information about players and admins as part of reports and internal affa...

If MSO wants to change the blacklist reason or whatever, he's free to and I'm sure he'll've seen the appeal attempt. However, being blacklisted also includes not being able to appeal full stop. You don't get the opportunity to put your side of the story forward. The host has decided you have no spac...

I added a clarification to my closing of the appeal that I'll CC here. [Edit] For clarity's sake, being blacklisted is a ban from the tgstation community with no easy path of return. It is a Discord ban, a game ban and a forum ban. As part of the forum ban, you are also banned from appealing globall...

my feelings are so hurt right now (i was wrong on the noting of this one, but saw what looked like a field execution when detainment was possible, and had the pressure of the round ending/having the player agree with me at the time to hasten my resolution) We all do iffy calls from time to time. Th...

Antagonistic escalation allows killing players for honestly what I'd classify as very flimsy IC justification, but doesn't permit round removal where escalation also wouldn't permit it. You might have missed my previous post, but current escalation policy does not outline any circumstances in which...

snip All of that sounds lovely on paper, but in practice it seems to lead to security players being forced to explain perfect reasonable executions on the forums to the admin who noted them for it . We're making the mother of all omelettes here, Jack. Can't fret over every egg. I believe that ban a...

I do feel that procedurally the RP rules exist as a median fallback for admins, rather than as a gold standard. RPR5 as-written allows for dealing with the kinda antag playstyles that people migrated from the LRP servers to avoid. And RPR10 allows the admin team as an abstract collective in agreemen...

Do regular objectives have a place in the non-existential-threat antags? Like stealing a jetpack or killing Joe Schmoe? I can kinda see an argument for objectives as a way to 'share the love' - I try to use assassination targets and even secondaries sometimes as prompts to talk to somebody I wouldn...

I dislike progression antags because they overly gamify antags with Numbers Go Up gameplay loops. I don't believe this makes for better SS13 or really even good SS13. Similar to when Chefs and Bartenders got those dumb fucking bots, they started ignoring other players because they could complete a ...

Words But that's the real crux of it all. By removing crew freedom to execute freely, you earn antag freedom to be less gamer since the stakes for being caught are lower, and hopefully get more gimmicks and fun stuff involving antagonism out of it. By removing the ability for antags to kill FNR, yo...

This doesn't always play out perfectly in practice because our MRP players can still be massive pissbaby powergamer tryhards that don't actually want to be a participant in a good shift of SS13, they want to be the main character in a shitty shift of SS13. And all it takes is one out of 60 people t...

Execute an antag on LRP and the reason is usually "Rule 4 says they're valid". Execute an antag on MRP and the reason has to be that it was proportionate to their crimes. So you're drawn out of the rules to and into IC reasons to explain why you did this. This isn't really fair to LRP pla...

Hue hue hue.

When we talk about IC reasons, admins like dendy and myself don't look for objectively good reasons. Part of what I appreciate about the various restrictions on the RP servers (like RPRs 4, 5 and 6) is that they pull players away from quoting the rules in ahelps as a justification for why they did a...

The RP rules are a bit of a misnomer, because they're not really anything to do with RP. They're a set of restrictions on player freedoms, with a goal to increase the number of interactions players have. All in the hopes that even RP can bloom on a battlefield. Our players are still generally free t...

Foreigner is neutral because we don't want people taking it as part of quirk arithmetic due to how disruptive it is to normal gameplay. It's a quirk we want people to take when they want to try a different way to approach SS13. So it's neutral even though it has negative effects. It's not part of qu...

I hope they have a good cum back after this appeal gets denied.

(Also, we don't start tickets with "Hey. Do you got a minute?", that's pointless and bad practice; you go straight to the point, for example: "Hey. What happened between you and John Terry?" or "Hey. Why did you suicide into the Supermatter before it was set up?"... Wh...

kieth4 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:29 pm
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:42 am 2 many words
2 few words

Sounds good to me.

Silipol simply states what a borg can and cannot assume regarding prisoners, not what the objective truth is. A borg can't assume a violent prisoner is non-harmful, but they may confirm it via IC means. So in order to accept a Law 2 order from a violent prisoner to release them, they would need to c...

That Timberpoes is a hell of a gal. Should have been headmin after that term. Silipol has been rewritten since that post I made. And that post is now pretty damn accurate. Good to know I was consistent in my rewrite if nothing else. Following laws in good faith is now an absolute defense in silicon ...

I accept that the old template was much easier to post an appeal with, but the quality of those appeals were very low unless the player was advanced. Even if it's not the current one, I still strongly believe a more guided appeal template increases the chance of shorter and more effective appeals. A...

If you agree with the note left behind and feel it's accurate and fair, and also agree with how the admin interpreted the rules, and also don't think any aspect of it was unjustifiably harsh including the length or decision to note/ban at all...? Then you don't have an appeal and you probably should...

Rest assured if Sinful wasn't banned from the Player's Club, he'd definitely be in here exclaiming how leaking notes and other info to your friends isn't that bad, or even that it's part of a healthy community and administration and all admins should strive to abuse their powers since that's what Th...

Made to walk the plank.

Putting the piracy back into conspiracy.

That sounds like what a gossip would say, to me! Join us around the conspiracy circle.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/search.php?keywords=retired&t=2218 https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/search.php?keywords=deadminned&t=2218 https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/search.php?keywords=de-adminned&t=2218 Also you know exactly why anyone deadminned doesn't have the retiremin role on Discord...

I think you'll struggle to find an admin that wants more micromanaged play. Those that want more out of players ask for more IC reasoning for actions instead of OOC reasoning. It's wanting less "they antag, rule 4 says they valid" and more "they antag, tried to kill someone, we execut...

Skill issue. What you probably missed were sections entitled "Do you think this will be the death of tgstation? If yes, please expand on your anti-admin platform here and how all rule breaks should be IC:" and "Do you play on Terry? If yes, bullshit us on how Terry culture means the r...

My take is: If you delete something on Discord and you don't want it reposted, you should probably cite a rule. If they repost it, you then do an escalated punishment against the rule the content broke instead of taking the admin disrespect angle. We genuinely have enough issues with MSO using his h...

Incomplete information is a sliding scale defence. The more supporting evidence and IC investigation you have, the more IC issue it gets if you fuck up and the more severe your IC actions can be in response. There is a bare minimum level of information to which attacking another player is within the...

Only 999 more to go?

Being able to show that, despite the lack of security, the crew had players that were acting as security is also generally persuasive. More weight is put on things you knew IC at the time you did whatever you were noted or banned for, and very little weight is put on things that you discovered later...

To briefly address a part of your appeal regarding murderboning, the ban note references "... in a 15 person round...": Round 218975, made his objective "Detonate 20 maxcaps" and bombed areas in a 15 person round, being responsible for the deaths of 5 people and only being stoppe...

We don't want to see players faking revs. It doesn't need to be more explicit than that because it's not a set of actions that are banned, it's an intent to fake revs that is banned regardless of what their actions are. Such a vague ruling can better withstand the test of time without needing to be ...

It is MSO's politics Discord server with some SS13 cancerous growth on the side.

The sooner people realise this and stay out of the politics channels, the better.

My approach is twofold as an admin. First I ask myself if whatever the player was doing would have made me think there was a revolution. If it would not have, the matter ends there since there's really nothing to action. If other players believed there were revs from it, it would be either a skill i...

To be clear, the RP rules were partially redrafted with balance of power between crew and antags in mind. Restricting the crew allows the space to restrict antags and maintain the same proportion of balance between them. With the RP rules restricting the crew's ability to powergame and limiting anta...

Timonk wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:57 am i think i could take on timberpoes in bed

L-lewd.

I save the ocelot.

He asked for a headmin review. Does he really expect it to turn out any different? He might as well take it, it was offered. What's the worst that'll happen? He's already permabanned. I still think this final outcome is lost in translation and there's some hope. The banned player's final comment in...

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