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somerandomguy

BeeSting12 wrote:i thought i posted this already but goof and felinid are doing an excellent job of making both sides look awful.

You did it was in the "vote manipulation" thread

somerandomguy

it really doesn't though, you're suggesting that the existence of the etherals options would make someone who would previously rank keep higher than remove would suddenly now put it lower than remove, even though they can rank in the form, have etherals, keep cats, remove cats. Why would they switc...

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subject217 wrote:this is triggering me so i have to point it out

the way move delay works is HIGHER values are SLOWER

so you are suggesting a delay of 2, not a speed of -2.

Nah let's have a delay of -2

somerandomguy

Also it's totally valid remove wins even without the ethereal option Wrong. See https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20333&p=454669#p454642 Wrong. See "doesn't understand IRV" This is so blatant it's obvious you don't care about the poll's validity, you're either salt...

somerandomguy

bottom text Oranges, I would prefer if instead of tossing out one-liners, that you explained to this discussiongroup why you deemed it necessary to remove felinids, and why you chose to lay the poll out in a biased way. Because the statement "Replace felinids with Ethereals" insinuates th...

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being a dick and rule 10, where you refuse to accept that sometimes, to make a better game for everyone you have to play suboptimally. Nowhere does it state that you must bend over backwards so that others can have their antag round. It says to accept your death; that's it. How your reading compreh...

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Big issue I feel needs to be addressed. Buying normally restricted crates, in this scenario weapon and armour crates, using your personal ID card utterly bypasses the normal lockout restrictions. This allows people, usually the RD and/or Cargo to bypass restrictions and be able to unlock weapon cra...

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Other problem is with movedelay at 1, people can only get one speed boost, a fucking massive one. It shouldn’t be possible for an assistant to sip a soda and literally move as fast as the game can handle, ctrl click a guy sec is dragging, and disappear. Also would’ve made slips and shit more tolera...

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iksyp wrote:felinid man, defender of justice, catgirls, and all that is holy might have worse alzheimers than goof

Yeah, he should just go to citadel if cats are the only reason he plays ss13

somerandomguy

I'm not entirely sure having a part of Captain's office directly exposed to the exterior hull is a good idea. It makes things a lot easier for antagonists of certain modes to have a very easy time getting in, leaving the crew less then zero warning of invasion. I guess pubby is similar but it requi...

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What I'm saying is if there were just two options. One to keep them and one to remove them, the results would be different since users wouldn't be bribed with the promise of new races. As for being 'nice', we all know how unpopular Lziman was once he forcefully removed races without a word so this ...

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Having four options for and one against your personal vendetta is pretty scummy, it's also worded in such a way that implies the user had to sacrifice felines in return for cool new races when in reality those new races would soon come around anyway. I don't think someone orchestrating a rigged vot...

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I'm kinda meh about it because I only pick standard if I've been emagged and have been given the okay to murderbone because esword. When I see some people play standard borgs, they tend to treat it as secborg lite and will either validhunt or assist security. I don't really see why it has cuffs, ho...

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Firefighter Ripleys are stronger than Phazons and Gygaxes and they have better armor than Durands. They don't have abilities though and can't use most weapons HONKs, on the other hand, are actually a combat mech, so they can use any weapons Yes, this means a traitor could make one, give it a horn a...

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>be me >wiz >get summon magic >oh wait that was guns I'll just get magic too >get some other spells >go onstation >die to a crewmember with a (powerful) gun >be me >second wiz roll in a day (first wasn't the one above, I don't remember it well) >take all five timestop to meme >raid sec >hah, can't s...

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Firefighter Ripleys are stronger than Phazons and Gygaxes and they have better armor than Durands. They don't have abilities though and can't use most weapons HONKs, on the other hand, are actually a combat mech, so they can use any weapons Yes, this means a traitor could make one, give it a horn a...

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It's good that it has it, because standard is the only borg that can keep people subdued for any amount of time
Frankly, pk should get them too so that it can actually break up fights

somerandomguy

Farquaar wrote:I’m working on adding a bishop’s robe and hat to the chappie vendor. No real special effects, but a chaplain would have to collect a lot of tithes and donations to have a hope of affording it.

Make it make you only able to move diagonally

somerandomguy

>need an old account or money to use
Sounds like lifeweb 2.0

somerandomguy

... It isn't this simple, because people don't only rank their choices from favorite option to least favorite, there are also "observer bias"-like elements involved. In the other thread someone was talking about how they put etherals in the #1 place, even though they do not want etherals ...

somerandomguy

Can you get off this rigging bullshit already? It was funny to start but now it's just pathetic when cats got such a favorable compromise. Your subjective judgement of the compromise does not change that the poll was factually rigged and nothing should have been done based on the tainted results. B...

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I like how when catpeople win by 6 votes, there is no compromise whatsoever. But when removal wins by 60 votes, catpeople don't even fucking get removed. I'm still waiting for the headmins to admit they're biased assholes who have nobody's will in mind but their own. What a fucking embarrassment. C...

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no change won the last vote. Wrong. One change won the last vote, albeit like a snail that may not even get to its food source depending on what the human at that point in time, wants the snail to reach its food. So basically cat-girls stay and no more cat-girls will be made. But in a year or so if...

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Coconutwarrior97 wrote:When tiders break in to get medkits instead of asking a doctor to take three seconds and sleeper them.

I get that you dont want some antag doc to morphine you but most docs are there to help you friend.

WHen a doctor takes forever to get to you and then ODs you on bicard/tricord

somerandomguy

Make it so you can only move to the beat of a globally-playing song that admins pick

somerandomguy

This isn't the American presidential system last I checked. I assume you're not going to be satisfied until someone other than oranges who signed off on the vote's options explains why those went ahead, given that PKP's answer of shit happens wasn't satisfactory. Vote Trump for headmin 2019, make t...

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Listing compromises is not "voter bribery," and calling is that is a bit underhanded of you, frankly. Voter bribery is when you include a "Remove felinids and add <x> enticing new race" option with no "Keep felinids and add <x> enticing new race" option. That is the de...

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... The issue here isn't even especially about catgirls, it's that oranges attempted to force his personal will on something that was meant to be a community vote. He will do this in the future if it goes unchallenged. You might not be happy about what he does it for next time. You're throwing a fi...

somerandomguy

See the first two replies in this thread. I replied to them already, right after them. There is nothing wrong with an IRV poll, but it is factual that a binary yes/no poll introduces no external factors that can taint the results and is the most accurate poll possible if all you want to figure out ...

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can we just have a fucking poll with a yes or no option and have ethereals as a separate poll We already had a binary yes/no vote. Removal won. What is this historical revisionism? https://i.imgur.com/x953qfJ.png https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=200&filter=true >takes thing out of c...

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can we just have a fucking poll with a yes or no option and have ethereals as a separate poll We already had a binary yes/no vote. Removal won. What is this historical revisionism? https://i.imgur.com/x953qfJ.png https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=200&filter=true >takes thing out of c...

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can we just have a fucking poll with a yes or no option and have ethereals as a separate poll We already had a binary yes/no vote. Removal won. What is this historical revisionism? https://i.imgur.com/x953qfJ.png https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=200&filter=true >takes thing out of c...

somerandomguy

Make movement normal speed but like those ice puzzles in other games where you keep moving until you hit something

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afelinidisfinetoo wrote:
Qustinnus wrote: >roundstart
dumb person
Flypeople are a roundstart race
To all users who do not regularly play the game, I recommend you refrain from commenting in this thread.

>"doesn't play" argument

somerandomguy

we can only have limited roundstart races If this is a congestion issue, why is it that felinids (the most popular nonhuman race) would be removed to make room when you could instead remove, for instance, flypeople? Good point, we should get rid of both of them yeah then we can have ethereals AND i...

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In regards to the notion that oranges or any coder legitimately cares about what the community wants, from the economy thread: Why do we always merge half-baked goof code? because unlike you, he goes to the effort of actually writing it This is a douchebag response and that's a dumbass reason to im...

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afelinidisfinetoo wrote:
somerandomguy wrote: A species is made of code
Some people think it is shit
Thus, it must be balanced out
This is not right, sorry. I have done byond script and there is no maintainer burden involved with keeping felinids.

--The joke->

Your head

somerandomguy

The first law of shitcodedynamics states that shitcode cannot be created or destroyed, only converted to another form and moved to another place. IPCs have some shitcode according to all people and catpeople are code considered all shit by some people, so it is necessary to replace the latter with ...

somerandomguy

I don't understand all of the tiptoeing around the issues. A lot of you have taken to answering for oranges, but you're not answering the questions I asked. Could you please answer the following? Why does the poll that you made hold that it's necessary to remove felinids in order to add etherals? I...

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Round start as a Head of Staff (more so when there's no RD) I'm getting harassed by Cargo staff to toss em my Dept Budget Card for the money. I really think this economy system would work better if we had a way to actually spend the large sums of money. I can toss cargo staff 3000 credits for a cra...

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Shezza wrote:
Boot wrote:They lost in a simple keep them or not vote. Catfags should be happy they even got an option on what to add in their place.
etherals would get added anyway

the only reason they got included in the vote was just to skew it

t. still doesn't understand IRV

somerandomguy

I'm not particularly attached to catgirls, but this entire circus around the issue is getting ridiculous. I bet you that half the votes for removing catgirls are just trolls having big lols, yet I see here the most dramatic grandstanding "IT WAS THE WILL OF THE COMMUNITY!!!" like jesus ch...

somerandomguy

Shezza wrote:>1 option to keep cats
>4 options to remove them

Not biased at all guys

t. doesn't know what IRV is

goof wrote:snip

ITT goof throws adhoms at everyone he disagrees with
Also felinid literally said their old account earlier on

somerandomguy

Actually just unironically put the thread in the hut or salt reserves, where it deserves to go Make a decision from this poll instead of making us go through another two weeks of voting because some people disagree with the wording. This is not an issue with the wording of the poll. The problem is t...

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What if they wanted ethereals but didn't give a shit about cats Yes, this is a great example of how the poll is tainted. Voters who are totally ambivalent about felinids are enticed to vote for their removal, if they separately want etherals added. These posters would have abstained from the poll o...

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I have no reason to believe the Catperson poll is illegitimate considering the efficacy of the MSO and other support systems behind the poll. MSO does not have the magical ability to discern between people who voted for the etherals option because they wanted etherals (bad) or because they wanted f...

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... This behavior shouldn't be accepted. It is super obvious that he's doing this because he doesn't want to answer (because there isn't a good answer.) He isn't just feeling goofy. This is oranges, he's almost always like this Also, it's oranges Edit: >23 replies in ~30 minutes >involves catpeople...

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Can we stop allowing people responsible for the game to answer like this? I don't think someone who decides for everyone else how the game will work should be making a joke out of every attempt to communicate with him, hold him accountable for wrongful actions, etc. Oranges, you made a poll that ha...

somerandomguy

This does smell like salt but that is a good question - why did we need to have a "swap for ethereal" option when there was no issue with ethereals (and it seemed like it would get merged anyway)? "Swap for IPCs" was probably fine though, since IPCs did have some issues (although...

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There is some validity to that argument, how do you know the traitor isn't just waiting for materials and tech points
What would the cutoff even be to run the check
Having your antag roll stolen from you while you're setting up a plan isn't much better than getting bannu'd for it

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