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A big issue that we're gonna run into here is that we're gonna see cases where different admins are going to have different ideas of what constitutes "appropriately roleplay". So, from how I read it, this is an OR statement: “with good in-character reasoning OR when the conflict is approp...

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Even if dynamic is controlled by someone else more technically-minded, if I understand right the incentives to tweak dynamic and config are still pushed by the headmins, so it would still make sense to just list them in the “Changes to the Config” thread (i.e. we are lowering threat globally). For L...

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Oh, so what about meta-station makes it the most popular map besides for social inertia. Is there anything from Meta that in particular makes it feel better to play? Many things. First of all, every department is solid. There's no one or two departments that have a massive amount of space, and anot...

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here's another take for review. Non-antagonists are allowed to get into conflicts with other non-antagonists with good in-character reasoning or when the conflict is appropriately roleplayed. Use judgement based on how threatened you are, or how disruptive somebody is being, to determine if the sev...

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RR clause of escalation was always intended to be an extension of rule 4 (if they come back again, you can assume they're an antag, meaning you can RR them). This part is a little hard for me to understand. In most scenarios when someone comes back again after I kill or crit them, I know they aren’...

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RR clause of escalation was always intended to be an extension of rule 4 (if they come back again, you can assume they're an antag, meaning you can RR them). This part is a little hard for me to understand. In most scenarios when someone comes back again after I kill or crit them, I know they aren’...

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Looks neat, a few questions: We allow and encourage players to solve in-character conflicts in a good-faith and rules-compliant manner, as a properly roleplayed exception to Rule 1. what do you mean by “an exception to rule 1”? A non-antagonist may start conflict with another using good in-character...

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We're discussing a possible rewrite but I can't share any details at this time. Why is it private information? Isn’t this the point of the policy forum. You could argue that yes, it took "years" to get to this point, but it was more like a few motivated individuals putting changes into pl...

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Strong disagree with an overhaul, current escalation policy has gone through years and years of refinement, being chiseled out through several headmin terms, the last one adding to it I believe being Spook or Mothblocks’ term. We have had multiple threads sketching out exactly what it means and how ...

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2023-10-10 04:24:32: Reply from lorwp: Okay, but here's the kicker, *why* did you shove him? My issue is primarily with your behavior leading up to this, and the initial start of the conflict itself From Hulkmania’s explanation of escalation rules (the writer of current escalation rules) re: “insti...

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I don't care because I don't see the game as a matter of players winning or losing by virtue or whether or not you survive the round, but as a game where interesting RP things happen and "possibly letting the AI kill you so you can have a cool tense moment where you're not sure the AI is on yo...

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Honestly, with an AI on their side to counter turret control, they had the upper hand to just card you and check. This might be unrelated, but if anything, I kind of get sick of the number of times I see someone decide it's easier to just kill the AI and check their card than it is to just order it...

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The Halloween races are pretty disruptive, so it makes sense we don't do it for too long. Once a year event, there is very little harm in extending it for a few days to make it a week. I encourage Cheshify and Fikou to live a little and embrace the holiday spirit. Something you're not privy to is t...

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Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 2:53 am The Halloween races are pretty disruptive, so it makes sense we don't do it for too long.

Once a year event, there is very little harm in extending it for a few days to make it a week. I encourage Cheshify and Fikou to live a little and embrace the holiday spirit.

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I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect RDs and robos to know they’d need to ask AI permission before building another AI, so passing this policy doesn’t seem like a good idea. It sort of seems like it’s in the job description, and there are plenty of instances where it works fine and the AIs get al...

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Halloween is on a godamn Tuesday at least enable it for a weekend

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https://i.imgur.com/fuLBqE0.png Polls showed most players prefer high-med threat. So why was threat was lowered across the board right after polls came out? https://i.imgur.com/MIJ9H6L.png Makes sense for an MRP environment to have lower threat but why is it lowered globally when that's directly ag...

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Are you appealing a validly placed permaban and would like another chance to be unbanned?: Yes/No - **If not relevant, please delete this section** If yes, please explain why you believe it should be accepted: Vouches or playtime from other servers go here, as well as examples of good behaviour tha...

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Are you appealing a validly placed permaban and would like another chance to be unbanned?: Yes/No - **If not relevant, please delete this section** If yes, please explain why you believe it should be accepted: Vouches or playtime from other servers go here, as well as examples of good behaviour tha...

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I like the spirit of the rewrite, but it's very clunky and a bit too complicated for a new player appealing a ban. Some simplifications can be made that make it easier to read and understand: (1) Separating the "ban details" from the "reasons for appealing" is unnecessary and con...

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18+ server, books aren’t ERP, reading them over comms is banned.

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How are they supposed to be dialed back? Can you come up with an example for an actual rule change? Headmins can dial back threat via config, in fact they’ve already dialed back threat in the last few days (despite the recent poll results that show people on average overwhelmingly prefer high threa...

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Taken from OP’s last round for context: https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/215979/files?file=game.txt 06:32:03 SAY Jtroopa/(Jay Del Gato) "screwdriver" (106, 126, 2) Engineering 06:42:20 SAY Jtroopa/(Jay Del Gato) "crap!!" (101, 120, 2) Engineering 06:42:26 SAY Jtroopa/(Jay Del ...

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So, I’m not sure how many people know about this, but recently I have found it more and more common to get “Discord bwoinks.” For those unaware: if you’re on the TG Discord and someone ahelps you while you’re off the game, admins can actually create a private thread and interrogate you on the Discor...

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As one of the six people that can speak with any authority on Rule 12 - having been in Rave/Tattle/Fairy's headminbus at the time during handover and participated in this rule's drafting and creation - Rule 12 was not intended as a rule against validhunting, or as a rule against powergaming. There ...

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I mean I understand the fear but like we have people who get replaced already and their stand in doesnt diddle space kids or whatever. Your situation is an anomaly and one not exclusive to your character being offered to ghosts. A simple voice changer could largely replicate that problem, and we ha...

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All of the rules fall under rule 1 so to use that as an example here is really weird and besides the point. All the other rules serve as clear clarifications to rule 1. Being bigoted is being a dick, OOC in IC is being a dick, playing while under 18 is being a dick - these are all extremely clear a...

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If you really just don't want to do it, giving it to somebody else is better. you should follow along or have someone play for you that will. just ahelp it and we will fill the body with someone who does. I have a very big issue with this line of reasoning, namely because I once made the mistake of...

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What exactly is defined as contributing or interacting with their conversion antag? Are rev converts forced to attack sec and command? Break shit? What do cult converts have to do as the bare minimum? Convert people? At what point is the line drawn that they’re “not contributing?” Not only is it an ...

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I think it's sort of a "don't ask, don't tell" kind of thing. If you get converted and go back to doing your job no one's going to ban you. In Crag's case he was just so openly forward about not contributing that it probably pissed off the admin into creating a ban for it. It'll be a reall...

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the results are in. tbm - uphold for what i've already stated in this thread cheshify - uphold note as-is fikou - uphold the presence of a note, but wished for more context to be added Can an expiration date be set on this note, even if it's 6 months or something? I think if nothing else we can agr...

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the results are in. tbm - uphold for what i've already stated in this thread cheshify - uphold note as-is fikou - uphold the presence of a note, but wished for more context to be added Can an expiration date be set on this note, even if it's 6 months or something? I think if nothing else we can agr...

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you let this OOC infraction turn into an ingame problem[...]if you think you're experiencing an OOC issue, take it to us right away. otherwise, you end up creating more ambiguity about the situation than there needs to be, as we're experiencing here. Doesn't it make sense to be able to respond to o...

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we're going to look purely at the note, what it describes, and if said note is inaccurate. notes are meant to establish behavior patterns, leave context for admins in future situations, and tell those admins if you stick your hand in the candy bowl too many times. I am appealing both because the no...

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One more thing to add (I promise) because it is apparently causing a big fuss and I'd like to clear the air: (1) This player was """handled""" by Archie two rounds later, who gave them a note for a pretty bad rule 8 violation not included in this appeal, and metagrudgin...

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Also, Goof posted logs already, and I glossed over this in the appeal -- but he left out Chloe Thomas, another assistant who was doing the same thing as me (beating a clown who was shock touching people): [2023-09-24 07:05:49.497] ATTACK: AZHaste/(Ponzo The Clown) attacked Onpine/(Chloe Thomas) with...

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(1) Given the chemist's actions (the creepy comment followed by the wordless syringe of chloral), was I justified responding in the way I did, with the knowledge I had? You did not mention, react to, or even bring up the fact that he said that in this appeal until now. I do not think his words fact...

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The comment he made was obviously not acceptable but is something that should be handled administratively and wouldn't open him up to additional escalation beyond what's normally expected for any other insult. So you can say absolutely whatever bigoted, deranged, sexually deprived shit you want to ...

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Chloral hydrate is not a lethal chem unless used in higher doses than was used here. It is also arguably the only thing that was available to the person who shot you with it, as morphine takes longer to make and they didn't have any prepped. Morphine is literally available roundstart. It is sitting...

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Thanks Goof for the logs, some important corrective measures: (1) That is not where the syringing happened to my recollection. I was right outside the left medbay door, with the clown below me two tiles inside med (the grappling hook can hit someone two tiles away) off to the right. The shooter was ...

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Hi, thanks for appealing. I will respond in the morning but I don't intend on lifting this. If you would like me to reword it to be more fair in your eyes go ahead and suggest something, otherwise I'll post logs and everything tomorrow afternoon. I would like it removed for the (6) reasons I offere...

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BYOND account: sinfulbliss Character name: axle brady Note type: Permanent Note reason: In round 215210, crit, dismembered, and looted a doctor because they shot them with a 15u chloral hydrate syringe to stop them from beating a clown to death. The clown was already far into crit at the point when...

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I think the reason this was ruled as unenforceable is because it’s quite literally impossible to prove unless you are an admin orbiting one of the two parties in the type-bait encounter. Completely impossible to retroactively verify in the logs. If this became bannable you’d open up pandora’s box al...

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Let a guy off with a slap on the wrist for a pretty bad rule 8 violation just because I was the one ahelping it (round 215222). Has stated multiple times they dislike me, both privately and publicly. Genuinely think if it were anyone else ahelping they would have handled this differently. My person...

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Let a guy off with a slap on the wrist for a pretty bad rule 8 violation just because I was the one ahelping it (round 215222). Has stated multiple times they dislike me, both privately and publicly. Genuinely think if it were anyone else ahelping they would have handled this differently.

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Why is this a ruling, did Holoparas work differently in the past? It makes intuitive sense. Holoparas aren't human, so they aren't protected by law 1. If nonhumans cause human harm they can be stopped. Borgs or players in general also shouldn't have to know a pretty niche interaction, i.e. a holopa...

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Why is it unfair to the 2 players who want to play birdshot to skip, but not unfair to the 3 players who don't want to play birdshot to prevent them from skipping a map designed to be unpleasant to play on? The maintainers explicitly want people to play on every map so they can get feedback to map ...

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Specific situations have been people who hoard guns and items that are wholly unnecessary to their job for the purposes of killing antags or players who spend a detrimental amount of time hunting valids instead of actively doing their job ("HoPcurity"). Timber stated multiple times last t...

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Say logs of the borg that was toolboxed show it orchestrated and even had the idea for the bridge invasion of the Chris’s: 10:07:32 SAY James566/(Mike.EXE) "can i be an honorarry chris?" (114, 168, 4) Brig Overlook 10:08:02 SAY James566/(Mike.EXE) "everyone slap him" (112, 174, 4...

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Logs of clown eating the vaccine pills (does not appear to be just them joking): 02:53:04 ATTACK Jonathan576/(Slippy Jimmy) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/vaccine (0.1u, 1 purity)) from Pierrot's Throat Vaccine pill (0.1u) to [stomach] (143, 125, 4) Medbay Lobby 02:53:06 ATTACK Jonathan576/(Sl...

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