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Some of the "organic" and vegan stuff are pretty costly and not very economically or environmentally sustainable.

Vegetarians are the true ecologists. Maybe some room for the pescatarians.

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If it does what I think it does I'll enjoy seeing the results. If it actually fixes the problem, well, you get to tell me you told me so and that would feel pretty good for you.

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I agree that there is a substitutive relationship between bikeshedding and productive work, but it is not zero sum. We are a FOSS project being run by volunteers not salaried/on-the-clock employees with a financial stake on the overall product; time spent on bikeshedding does not automatically trans...

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I'm not telling you to not worry, but it's true that the existence of the cargo stock market is impeding new (and probably better) cargo features, from either me or anyone else.

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https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/37414

Feedback from Cargo mains please.

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The problem is that these refactors of recent have been too large and therefore been bugged. Also this isnt a economy its a punch of random people all throwing paint everywhere with it sometimes being called art or good. Refactors come in all sizes and I suspect the smaller refactors are being pass...

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Imagine if you will the concept of technical debt . Typically this term is used for band-aid/hack solutions but it also applies to feature additions as well. Part of the reason why "feature creep/bloat" is derided as such because they increase complexity and lines of code, and therefore pr...

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var/fucking_stock_spikes = current_value + 500 var/piece_of_shit_fuck = current_value - 500 var/i_hate_this_code = (speculation / rand(25000, 50000) + performance / rand(100, 800)) * current_value if(i_hate_this_code < fucking_stock_spikes || i_hate_this_code > piece_of_shit_fuck) current_value += ...

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upvoted

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As HoP, I like promoting assistants who break into Captain's Office roundstart into Captains, thereby giving them the responsibility and visibility they were ultimately trying to avoid when they signed up as an assistant. Anyways, what you're describing borders on metagrudging. If you must, I'd say ...

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"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"
That's it. For something you can't definitely, 100% prove, err on the side of innocence. That's all you have to do.

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I feel like cryo was changed at one point so that they'd work on suits.

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Luke Cox wrote:Every current main antag was made pre-2014. Nothing else has survived, which is sad in my opinion.

After a bit of repo diving, of the remaining main gamemodes, after the "removal" of clock cult the most recent addition is blood cult which dates back to 2010.

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We'd be better off coming up with a gamemode that has a passive challenge to it or one that doesn't present itself immediately. An unrelated example would be something like the lavaland bosses not spawning until later, but buffing their hp to high levels, and while they're active the station is hit...

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I've been in and out of the community so my knowledge and understanding of events is spotty. But what I'd like to ask is: What happened to teamwork gamemodes? I consider teamwork gamemodes to be rounds where the entire station crew (no conventional conversion) can meaningfully engage in defeating th...

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Green checkmarks indicate significant frequency and are representative of the stereotypical SS13 experience.

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Loli Catgirls
More specifically a 66 second loop from a remix of Infected Mushroom - I wish

Spoiler:

EDIT: lolicatgirls.ogg
It loops and it's more for the dance machine than the jukebox

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Or maybe you're comparing apple to oranges and playing ling isn't that epic.

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I miss the days when lings had to manually suck out DNA with a proboscis. That's my only opinion of current lings.

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It was strategic because the United States wanted Japan to surrender before the Soviets invaded the Japanese home island, and they didn't want to launch an invasion of their own.

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Part of the premise as to the existence of this policy thread in the first place was that neither admins nor headmins had the authority to extend a ban in a ban appeal. This was from another thread.

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brain
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Militias have function and purpose outside of violent overthrow, but they do play a key part in defense and popular sovereignty and there is a reason they were embraced by both the American and French revolutions (and then the Paris Commune and some communist revolutions afterwards).

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Militias are socialist and revolutionary and to have militias you need to have guns.

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The problem isn't the waste. Sure it's an issue but that's not why nuclear power has been neglected; it's just an excuse. France already generates a good 3/4 of their electricity from nuclear power, and also powers a good part of the rest of Europe.

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Thank you for that. I agree with the general intention that, the fact of a ban appeal itself should not warrant ban extensions of the same ban reason, no matter how much arguing or "rules lawyering" the appealer engages in. However new evidence of new rulebreaking is a separate issue, as o...

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IIRC things like these specifically were the reason we changed it so that we never upgrade bans for appealing. Look at the dates from those posts. Those are outdated precedents because the rules have since changed. You're essentially saying "It's okay for me to own a slave, look at these docum...

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You can /s all you want but it's actually a good solution for standard drones.

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somerandomguy wrote:But then that interferes with free drones, hacked drones (if those ever get implemented), and cogscarabs.

If only there was some way to create exceptions for these cases...

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To be more specific over the case in question where the player plasma flooded, his ban appeal really merits additional punishment. Dishonest appeals are always annoying and terrible but this one in particular was really egregious and obvious. An honest appealer would most likely have gotten the same...

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I don't know it just feels like it's kinda a bad idea. Mostly feelings based I guess. It should be locked behind headmins only with a majority vote and there should be a very clear and concise reasoning for doing so at the very least. I don't like using the phrase "Not an argument", but n...

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I can't understand this notion that "admins might abuse bans in ban appeals!!!!" when they can already abuse such bans in game. The banning process is essentially the same. Players that have been applied with another ban in a ban appeal thread then appeal the new ban in another ban appeal,...

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This is why I do have my reservations. And what are these reservations? Both of these cases were extreme and edge-case, and ultimately the decisions to replace a ban with an even longer ban were done by a headmin. This notion that not even headmins are allowed to extend bans from ban appeal threads...

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The way is already open.

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We're already down the slippery slope, why do you keep using that phrase? The deliberate lying in ahelps and appeals in rule 6 pretty much overlaps with rule 0. Genuine mistakes in remembering details happen but for a case like this it is pretty obvious it is blatant and deliberate.

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memes wrote:le slippery slope

It is entirely precedented.

Example A
Example B

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It's his feedback thread, but now that I've seen a policy discussion has already been made for something that's already existed I'll guess I'll post that there instead.

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Armhulen wrote:We don't extend bans for appealing it's a slippery slope

Qbmax32 wrote:We never extend ban lengths for appealing, if you’re gonna post something on arm’s thread you better post something on everyone’s thread or make a policy discussion as it’s not exclusive to arm.

Example A
Example B

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Rule 6 Precedents.
2. Lying in adminhelps, misrepresenting facts deliberately, or logging off when an admin has asked a question may result in permabans.

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Didn't extend the ban length of a griefer for his blatantly lying appeal as a form of ironic punishment.

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I was the AI in both of the rounds in which you flooded plasma. Both maps were Box so there was indeed an SM. In the second flood, it was pretty obvious that you were the one to do it, as you flooded plasma immediately roundstart where you were the only atmos tech and the CE was busy setting up the ...

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Deitus wrote:
Pascal125 wrote:
DemonFiren wrote:i mean he's not entirely wrong

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Future's not so bad, and pretty aesthetic.

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Anonmare wrote:That stuff with the SM in the vacuum is a bug and is being fixed, it's not a mechanic.

Lmao

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Where is the forest?

Where is the forest??

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it's generally agreed-upon that AIs ought to follow the letter over the spirit of the Law. I disagree with this, AI's and silicons need to follow their IC laws to the letter, while silicon server rules should really be followed and interpreted in spirit. Otherwise you get asimov AI's locking in, pa...

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Ausops said what I was going to, I'll just add a :+1:. What I originally wrote: The problem is that this same line of reasoning can be used to completely deny Captains and the RD access to the Upload at all, even without a probable cause of harm, which is why this policy exists in the first place. I...

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PKPenguin321 wrote:absolutely this, although i will say it's kind of awkward when you gotta begrudgingly ask your coworker for a hug because youre starting to get static-y and there's no food nearby

This is what roleplay is for.

Working as intended.

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I count the gold coins and go all in on Nekocoin.

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W-what? Democratic bans? This has terrible implications and would lead to many people just getting banned outright for their OOC behavior. Players aren't being democratically banned. This basically amounts to a short-term policy vote of specific OOC references and material in game, enforcement is l...

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