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Iunno man, I think anyone who gets jumped with a gun is gonna be fucked when the chips are down. You aren't going to always be ready for a fight and that's true whether you're being shot with an old laser, hitscan laser or a makarov. Seccies meanwhile have okayish armor against lasers and disablers....

Lasers and the like are at least able to be EMP'd, and many of our big name antags can get emps very cheaply, and emps generally aren't difficult to make. They serve as a good pre-emptive solution than a passive one or one reliant on RNG.

Observed a round or two with it without being aware it was a TM, and I must say it looks beautiful. Emitters should use this regardless of outcome with handheld lasers. Hitscan emitters aren't part of the testmerge, it's already in. I have played a few bagil rounds but I think I've only seen one pa...

It does, if anything, provide a reason for the curator to exist.

Last time I fought spiders I only survived because I shoved a clown into the spider den and ran as they tore them up.

Then we ordered a bajillion lasers and everything was fine.

Well, for me at least. I had a pipegun full of rubbershot. Everyone else died to spiders and bad air.

The wheelchair one is another example where regardless of the point value it's prohibitively intrusive to play as. Wouldn't be hard to fix, just speed default wheelchairs up a bit. And yet people actually take that one with reasonable frequency even then. It's clearly one of the better flavour choi...

Echoing the concern with the plasma, the sudden spreading of atmos effects across the whole station is very noticable with water vapour. Enough that I suspect you could abuse it to achieve old freon levels of mass station freezing. I think this might be less of an issue with the changes and more how...

Ah cool beans.

Is there supposed to be a sound when combat mode is acrivated, by the by? Since it's borrowing from previous iterations, I know those used a sound. Helps with working out if you toggled or not.

saprasam wrote:
wesoda25 wrote:"Dab on nuke ops"
i wonder how many people remember this

They did dab on the ops. They did their job but better. Duh. Come on guys it's not self antagging it's just their law.

They are useful in combat. Just in very specific situations that are less common than the need to move quickly. Depressurized rooms, dangerously overheated rooms, fighting against chemists/botanists, fighting in zero-g + jetpack. Not nearly as straight forward but still useful. Especially suits like...

Armor is basically utterly lacking in feedback, as you can't reasonably determine if the person is actually armored or by how much. Some suits are deceptively well armored, like wizard robes and security winter coats, or even firesuits. They are invisible values which takes code diving to drudge up ...

Latency and skill trump all that. You don't need to manipulate and lie if you can just kill everyone wordlessly. And you don't need niche knowledge of game mechanics if you can just kill everyone with the basic shit everyone uses. barely anyone wins if you convince abunch of people to rush them tog...

Latency and skill trump all that. You don't need to manipulate and lie if you can just kill everyone wordlessly. And you don't need niche knowledge of game mechanics if you can just kill everyone with the basic shit everyone uses. barely anyone wins if you convince abunch of people to rush them tog...

For me, it was Zaross with the emag, ebow + C4 with brainless gib (standard then) every evening. Yeah he hasn't changed. He's onto sleepy pen and detomatrix now if he ever plays. I also have unforunate history with him so I'm gonna keep any talk about him from me brief. But as we know, the game has...

oranges wrote:
saprasam wrote:this system is yet another reminder of why should i care about actual guns when i can make a tube that shoots buckshot
way to go dude

Nobody tell him about the pipeguns.

What if the wardens office starts with a gun crafting bench and it buffed crafting speeds, had a consumable called "weapons parts" can be obtained if you order some or dismantle a weapon that let you craft advance weapons without taking another gun? In essence, the fact that it consumes a...

My APM is sick.

Just type faster!

every single time someone has suggested that an antagonist must be dealt with using atmospherics and plasma fires, I just shake my head and look towards all those bans people got for flooding a department with plasma and killing more crew than xenos/blob/spiders.

people can be robust in different ways, just because one person is good at clicking it doesnt mean they are the best. A good social engineer will almost always win alot of things by convincing others to do what they need without themselves lifting a finger. Someone with alot of niche knowledge will...

I like Kilo because murdering people is easy in it.

I'm not an admin anymore but my intention was to just finish the ticket here in a forum discussion. I didn't think you'd have waited a whole year to come back. I hope you didn't get confused about what the situation was by me not fully clarifying where you needed to go or do next. If so, you have my...

I like the restaurant too but of course it's never used because that isn't how the game is played. You stand where the food is and eat until your character is full. So the restaurant is pointless. And not that I ever see it used in the first place but don't talk to me about roleplay purposes it may...

cacogen wrote:Aspects of robustness (non-exhaustive):
- Good latency to server

FUCK

SHIT

GODDAMNIT

I like the restaurant too but of course it's never used because that isn't how the game is played. You stand where the food is and eat until your character is full. So the restaurant is pointless. And not that I ever see it used in the first place but don't talk to me about roleplay purposes it may...

One easy fix right now is changing the resting check to whether they're standing or not then boom it goes from 60 to 30. Why it checks for resting is a true mystery but there you go. Maybe PKP thought resting and being knocked down were the same thing? I'd argue that's a fix if anything simply becau...

If dynamic is going to be the future of things it needs more tweaks. Please tweak dynamic more. 40 minute rounds are so not cash money. I'm of the opinion we need short rounds sometimes . Not 'the round is over minutes into it by all antags self destructing and concluding everything already' which ...

They are explicitly not furry, that's the point.

They are scalie.

Congrats

Could probably make them a subtype of augmented limbs that have a permanent dislocated limb effect on them.

Shoutout to that time oranges turned on poster ids and it became obvious that half the arguments in the threads were the same fucking person playing both sides AND the middle ground. Were they just bored? Insane? Really passionate about small scale psyops on an obscure messageboard only a .1% of th...

“mining isnt fun so we are going to make it worse by replacing it with mech mining” Fighting shit in mechs is fun as fuck but all that fauna needs some pretty drastic damage reductions against mechs first. It's NEARLY there. Only Bubblegum is actually impossible to fight in a mech because he requir...

words. you could quite literally apply this to alot of the things people whinge and cry about. Alot of players arent willingly to change tactics and die as a result. Kinda but I blame it on a lack of knowledge developed from years of things being contrary to what pugie has said, and rational thinki...

oranges wrote: This is the kind of thing a zoomer says

Maybe I'm not entirely cynical in my perspective enough. Whens the Manuel code separation to disown it entirely and leave it as an effective downstream?

It could be worse. In some ways the server stagnates a little and sees a strong reluctance to change, but just in small, aggravating ways, shit that doesn't matter but still makes me roll my eyes when it happens because I've seen it a hundred times already. That's just from having played for a while...

I went and changed how uranium golems irradiate things to strictly when they are damaged and when they punch people, so there shouldn't ever be an instance where this is a problem not already handled by golems becoming involved in conflicts as normal or deliberately attacking people and thus causing...

Double Agents removal was tragic. The person removing it claimed "it is too chaotic and people are just murderboning everywhere" while in the same week rolling a double agent then teaming up and murderboning. My assumption quite baselessly is that it was that imsex guy That is indeed pret...

I didn't do shit. Aggrograbbers were always fucked by rng by being attached to an rng system. Old Scarp was real bad for it given the over reliance on stomach knee, which had double resists at the time cucking the shit out of it about as often. At the very least, it doesn't stop the combo so your se...

You can resist twice every time you can resist. First by trying to move and once by trying to resist. If you can still do that, then it's bugged, since someone pr'd to prevent that a while ago. You should have a resist attempt every 4 seconds. I set it to 60% a while ago and frankly it was overshoo...

Possibly! Good sign never the less.

As a player, I always saw Nox going the extra mile to contribute to a round in his own way and in his own persona in the character he presents. He's been someone I can trust to be a genuinely capable player, even if that edges into being a little validhappy. Timber already touched on that, and while...

Space ninja is meant to be sowing discord and sabotaging parts of the station. They're kind of a station wide threat now, but they absolutely should be sticking to the sneaking and stealthing part. That's the point of the space ninja changes. To push them towards a more slow, methodical playstyle. L...

The vast majority of changes discussed on discord are far more technical than specific balance discussions, so the average joe isn't going to give a shit to look into that except to waltz in and @ oranges or some shit over a balance change. And this discussion about slugs, buckshot and shotguns in g...

Make improvised shells.

The issue there is the same one a year and so later. The only part that was fixed was the locker not placing people inside. The locker sealing was not fixed by the pr that made actioninja close the issue, so it has remained broken. That said, it DOES work SOMETIMES. I'm not entirely sure what causes...

I thought it had its own special green magilock sprites but in this round they were just generic lockers so maybe that is broken It does and should, it's just broken as fuck. People like you make me want to pull my hair out, just make an issue report on github so I can fix it https://tgstation13.do...

Ultimately, a sealed or reinforced room is seen as a challenge and not a deterrent. And even if it takes an extremely long time, someone will either opt to start cutting into that room the slow way, or they'll fake it to get the person inside to come out the fast way and still get to ambush them. A ...

The main reason why people buy in dorms is mostly because maint access is only available to a small fraction of the crew. There aren't many ideal locations that are discreet enough to purchase stuff on the main parts of the station.

I will make as many typos as I please. As is my right as a phone poster.

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