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feem

Yeah, I agree, that's a big distinction. That's why I tried to discriminate between things that help the currently-living players and things which help bring people back into the game. Agency is something that only living players should have, short of a situation like a wizard making ghosts visible ...

feem

It comes down to game disruption. You can add features that are otherwise accessible and useful, but can't disrupt people or the round. I don't personally see a problem with cloners, or sleepers, or breach generators in escape, or things like that, unless they're being used to actively deny somethin...

feem

I don't think reminding people that you're running is a bad thing. I don't think answering questions when asked about your platform is a bad thing. I don't think that disagreeing with other candidates, or even a certain amount of badmouthing them, is necessarily a bad thing from the rules perspectiv...

feem

I've moved this thread to admin complaints for you.

feem

Were you banned because of this incident?

Are you appealing a ban?

feem

You're clearly very excited by the prospect of playing on our servers, and I understand that you enjoy it. I'm sure we would be glad to have you back at another time if you're able to modify your behavior. Right now, however, your note history demonstrates that despite numerous warnings and bannings...

feem

There have been statements from prior headmins that metagrudging isn't really metagrudging if it's carried out by an antag, because antags can do whatever they want. 'Metagrudging' as a thing-that's-against-the-rules is generally 'i am using my grudge against you to inappropriately escalate/find exc...

feem

CPTANT, it's possible for more than one person to do the wrong thing in a given situation.

feem

Since ghost roles are perks bound by specific rules and not regular jobs, they're treated a bit more harshly. I would probably have given you the same or a similar ban.

feem

You are an ash walker. Your tribe worships the Necropolis. The wastes are sacred ground, its monsters a blessed bounty. You have seen lights in the distance... they foreshadow the arrival of outsiders that seek to tear apart the Necropolis and its domain. Fresh sacrifices for your nest. Compare to ...

feem

As I said above, it is a ghost role, it is NOT a run-of-the-mill antag role. You didn't roll for it. You hovered over it and selected it. It wasn't created by effort by an antag (like a golem or xeno creature), it's a perk for any given ghost with pretty strict restrictions (though more relaxed than...

feem

If you are interfering with other players, you will be drone banned. This is not complex. this is more complex than you think since literally every move in the game might interfere with another player's round, that's where the third and fourth dimensions of drone laws come in and the reason why peo...

feem

I completely agree with Kor that blowing up the ash walkers was a good thing.

You probably even could have gotten away with blowing up the mining pod.

The shuttle, and by extension the station, was inappropriate for a ghost role.

feem

I can buy that killing the active threat to the base was a perfectly reasonable reason to leave the base. I can, to a MUCH lesser degree, buy that destroying or disabling the nearby aux base -- if it was EXTREMELY nearby and discovered ONLY by fighting off the active threat -- could be a reasonable ...

feem

If you are interfering with other players, you will be drone banned.

This is not complex.

feem

I love drones, I just wish people would follow the rules

a good drone round is usually how i chill out after getting salty

feem

Drones cannot impact someone else's round experience except indirectly. That's the purpose of their laws, and the rule we generally enforce. You can repair damage as long as it's been long enough for the person who caused the damage to have benefitted from it. If there's a massive hull breach caused...

feem

A traitor placed the power sink. The power sink, if active, is actively functioning on behalf of the traitor, who is acting on the round. By interfering with the power sink as a drone, you are interfering with a being. This is distinct from fixing a broken system, or a malfunctioning reactor, IF AND...

feem

Fwoosh, please stop writing the post you're writing and wait for a headmin.

feem

Honestly the only thing that's remotely close to a rule violation here is the fact that the complaint hinging on "but he's an admin! he can't play the game like other players!" is lightweight metagrudging. Fwoosh, calling the shuttle for no reason is far more actionable than recalling it b...

feem

There's nothing actionable here. Why is this still going?

feem

dude didn't we just tell you that you will be made valid to both players and admins if you do that

and we DO put notes on people for doing that shit repeatedly, and it HAS led to and factored into bans.

but please tell me more about this supposed hypocrisy

feem

I don't think you understand how important it is to murder literally everyone you possibly can without getting in trouble, Gouty.

feem

If the players don't kill wgw and erp spammers, the admins will.

feem

Fair enough, I assumed from your building of a greytide kit that you'd broken into the Janitor's office. Apologies for the assumption.

The rest of my post stands, including the botched timeline and the dead-not dead-dead situation.

feem

You said in your own post that you spent the first five minutes of the round breaking into shit, then say you ahelped him beating you for slipping him after you cleaned the floors with your broken-into-shit within the first three minutes of the round? Your timeline doesn't work. You slipped and cuff...

feem

It wasn't the shoes that got you into the mess you were in with the security officer, it was the cuffing and capturing and stripping. That it happened just to be shoes doesn't change the methods you used to get there, which are themselves escalations against a security officer.

feem

To make it clear, I'm not commenting on you purportedly lying or on the ban. But yes, you absolutely deserve whatever you get if you slip and cuff and even partially strip an officer. If the officer thinks it's funny and lets you go, that's fine too, but they're more than authorized at that point to...

feem

So long as flavor text is followed, I don't understand why ghost roles should be treated any differently than any other players, with the exception that, as PKP said, escalation rules are very relaxed. Obviously if ash walkers or lavaland syndicates break out of their area and start coming towards t...

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Lizard metacomming server that has a channel labelled for metacomming run by lizard players who ban admins because they expect them to make an appeal and wont discuss bans in unlogged formats. How is this appeal even being considered While I generally agree with you here, I think this particular in...

feem

I do think we need a headmin clarification on this. AVagrant, you've been extremely reasonable, thank you.

feem

I suspect you may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Looking into this and it's not my ban, but I feel like it should probably be lifted.

feem

Was this your first time in that channel? Where was it posted?

feem

"I'M ROLEPLAYING A LIBERTARIAN SO I CAN KILL ANYONE I WANT" yeah ok

feem

And I agree that in this circumstance it was way less actionable, way more justified, than the other scenarios I'm laying out. I'm just saying that it's otherwise improbable that you can determine that a beach bum is murderable, and if you're going to the extent of intentionally looking for reasons ...

feem

I think it's shit for them to be on station but I also think it's shit for someone to murder a dude because they don't speak your language. Under the new ruling, I am sure as hell going to give you a ban if I spawn an inspector and you murder them outright because they're an inspector and don't have...

feem

I'm not responding to you with that comment, really, AVagrant, you're being really reasonable.

feem

What methodology does a player use to determine whether someone has been spawned by an admin or not?

Why is it difficult to follow "don't randomly kill people who aren't shit if you're a non-antag"?

Are you that starved for murder?

feem

As I stated in my post, Ash Walkers are explicitly valid because they are given an explicit instruction to attack people.

feem

If a beach bum is walking around the station and not talking, you literally have no way to determine that they're a beach bum and not just a regular tanned player wearing shorts. They aren't simple mobs, they're humans. If they start talking and you don't understand them, that doesn't preclude them ...

feem

In the past, ghost roles and admin-spawned/sentienced creatures were considered valid regardless of where they came from. Recently there was a headmin ruling that admin-spawned roles such as Centcomm inspectors are NOT immediately valid. While that ruling did not, when made, directly apply to ghost ...

feem

The rules don't exist so that you can pick and choose which bans you're willing to accept getting. Outside of the drone policies that you violated, there are rules against both killing for no reason (which, given that the drone you spawned into has absolutely no connection to your previous life, cou...

feem

You knew enough about the game to become a drone after getting salty but not enough to read the GIANT TEXT that pops up when you become a drone telling you to follow your laws and that you can't interact with the round? Your prior notes indicate several behaviors where you either ignored rules, game...

feem

Nope, that's not how that works.

feem

This is kind of an aside, but it's about related situations: it's also worth noting that a LOT of the 'dindu nuffin killed/attacked/arrested me fnr' ahelps we seem to get come from people who break into the captain's quarters and start mass disarming them, or who knock tasers out of security officer...

feem

If you start a fight apropos of nothing and get dunked, and ahelp, I'm either not doing anything about it or giving you a warning for banbaiting. If someone walks into your department and you kill them and gib the body the first time you see them trespassing with no mitigating factors, I'm bwoinking...

feem

tl;dr split second overreaction shouldn't be followed up with a gibbing, but an unprovoked lethal attack (MORE than just the threat of one) certainly could be

feem

I think a distinction needs to be drawn between repeated action/last resort/unprovoked attack, and I think making a hard and fast ruling on this is difficult and may be a bad idea. I do think that there's definitely a point where it doesn't make sense and is in fact potentially dangerous and disrupt...

feem

I was on the station for not even 3 minutes before you called it and I recalled This was a mistake. You don't come to the station, immediately assume the shuttle is called for no reason, and then recall it. What? Seriously? Regardless, it appears this whole situation would have been avoided had you...

feem

So this just got better. Adding to the prior list: By your own admission you got to the station late and immediately recalled the shuttle because you weren't there when the captain asked if the crew wanted to evacuate, then apparently were arrested nonharmfully and attempted to use the AI to get out...

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