/tg/Station 13

TheNightingale

>"deathsquad has explicit orders not to kill anyone who doesn't attack them, just the hulk"
>"In fairness I did attack them first"

What did you expect to happen?

TheNightingale

In general, it's best to get the all-clear from the department in question if you're going to use their stuff. If they say no, ask someone higher-ranking (e.g. the MD won't let you have a medkit? Ask the CMO) or just give up.

TheNightingale

Ghosts shouldn't be forced to see that stuff if they want to pay attention to interesting things. Take it somewhere private.

TheNightingale

The Syndicate Coordinator is a brilliant gimmick and nothing can convince me otherwise. It's nice to have some support as a lone potato.

TheNightingale

Also, as for bastions of RNG: Shields are still very much RNG dependant, and I'm really not sure how to make them work outside of something like directional protection, but that'd be really shit because our characters turn as they move, so unless you allowed us to smartly lock our directions, or ba...

TheNightingale

Not being able to use machines unrelated to your job ruins skeleton crews, who probably don't even have all the jobs in the first place. What if you need power, but there's no engineer?

TheNightingale

The briefcase of dosh exists for a reason. It doesn't have much of a game impact (it used to be purely fluff, but now I think Cargo can use it?), but it's cool, and it helps facilitate antagonist interactions that don't involve clicking someone's sprite until they're horizontal.

TheNightingale

It's wirecutters. Build it so the console is adjacent to the station (the big monolith-looking one), and the station is adjacent to the hub (the one you walk through). Then screwdriver open the station, wirecut it to link it, and screw it closed. Don't forget to calibrate the teleporter if the hub (...

TheNightingale

But that means you're obligated to arrest and probably perma every antag you see, rather than playing along with their cool gimmick. Officers should look the other way when a traitor bribes them with a suitcase full of cash, not stuncuffperma for tatorism.

TheNightingale

Drynwyn wrote:I read this as pKa and thought "wait, did chemistry get reworked?"

You mean atmos? Everyone knows pressure is measured in pilokascals.

TheNightingale

Add in another message for the AI, as well as the "laws updated", when the Antimov module in particular is uploaded; something like "You're Antimov now, check your laws!".

TheNightingale

Security is there to keep the peace, make sure the station's safe, and uphold the law. By nature, that conflicts with a lot of antagonists; if a traitor's going around shooting people, Security has to stop them, or die trying. The problems come when officers take "I found this guy with an emag,...

TheNightingale

That's hilarious. Still manslaughter though.

TheNightingale

> Non-antag
> Keeps killing people with electrified grilles
*squints*

TheNightingale

Wait, catpeople aren't nonhuman? I always thought they didn't come under Asimov.

TheNightingale

Releasing the tesla doesn't cause immediate harm, but you try doing that as an Asimov silicon and see what happens.

TheNightingale

You know the stunprod is still just as powerful as it was before, right? The only thing that got changed is that it's now bulky, and can be worn on the back. So if you know there's a dangerous antag running around shooting people, you're still just as well-armed as you were before the nerf. It just ...

TheNightingale

If you have nonlethals available, but you don''t use them, and you know there's an Asimov AI around, you deserve to be bolted down. Not having an egun/taser/baton is one thing; having one but not using it is another. Sure, they tried to hurt you, but two wrongs don't make a right.

TheNightingale

Why are non-Sec players fighting antagonists and Security in the first place? If you want to stop a murderboner, it's still just as effective as before - but now you can't whip it out and stun Security when they arrest you for stealing all-access, or end an antag's gimmick because they didn't accoun...

TheNightingale

Remind me why people aren't being banned for breaking into the Kitchen just to steal whetstones (and probably fighting back against the chef for it)?

TheNightingale

Just add a z-level check fluffed as a safety mechanism. If it's deployed on z=1 (the station), it fails and returns the capsule intact. Perhaps EMP it to remove the safety.

TheNightingale

yodaman888 wrote:Sec would get all new items that they can use to interrogate a gang member at the cost of dealing massive damage that inexplicably only heals inside a jail cell that heals slowly or by using special gang items

Special gang items to heal someone who's been interrogated... stitches for snitches?

TheNightingale

You don't have to powergame everything in sight. If there's a tendril threatening the nest, take it down or leave it up, it's up to you. Should it be against the rules for Science to deconstruct anomaly cores instead of using them in Phazons?

TheNightingale

Honestly, the relationship between mining and research is symbiotic. Mining gives research materials; research gives mining cool gear. Each depends on the other to reach their full potential. If R&D doesn't give the miners anything, the miners don't have much of an incentive to deliver materials...

TheNightingale

Honestly, what I want more is for people who don't vote to not be counted. If half the station is AFK, they shouldn't be included as votes for "let's remain on the station".

TheNightingale

How about we give conversion modes methods of stunning, and make stunprods back items?

TheNightingale

Removing chameleon boxes also removes gimmicks like "we're all CC inspectors here to, uh, inspect the disk", "observe these powerful wizards as they distract the crew with smokebombs", "we're ninjas honest" (etc).

TheNightingale

You're both bad people who need to go back to kindergarten and learn the principles of basic human interaction. There, argument solved.

TheNightingale

If you leave the PA on, it should eventually explode its own containment and get loose.

TheNightingale

I prefer Baymed to /tg/med, honestly. It's complex, it gives MDs utility outside of "walking first-aid kit dispenser", and it means danger carries actual risk to it - so much so that people might think twice before charging at the nukeops team with just a spear. Although, with our playerba...

TheNightingale

Here on tgstation13, we practice what we call 'proactive punishment'. We arrest people before they've committed crimes.

TheNightingale

DemonFiren wrote:Bay had it, that was fun.
Not.

Doesn't Bay have lethal disposals?

TheNightingale

Wroooong thread. That one's actually a good idea.

TheNightingale

Turn gangs into mafia. Make it happen.

TheNightingale

Remove conversion modes?

TheNightingale

The admins aren't going to know if you don't tell them.

"I got robbed and the police didn't do a thing about it! They didn't even ask me any questions!"
"Did they know you were robbed?"
"Well, no, I didn't tell them, but still!"

TheNightingale

Wrong thread.

TheNightingale

"they have to feed their ore into a machine they CANNOT access or empty"
Miners have access to the ore machine.

TheNightingale

I pretended to betray my team as a nukeop once (in that short period when they didn't have explosive implants). Eventually Sec released me, so I assassinated the Captain and took the disk (but couldn't find the nuke).

TheNightingale

Getting 100 potency isn't hard; you just add 2u unstable mutagen to it until you like the numbers.

TheNightingale

Durands are vastly superior to humans too, but you don't see those every day. With high enough requirements, this'd be pretty good.

TheNightingale

ID consoles should have a record of IDs inserted into them hosted in telecomms (to stop people screwdrivering the console to clear it). Catch some greytider with all-access? Now you can find out who they got it from, and who else they gave it to.

TheNightingale

if sec is cutting off your limbs and beating you bloody and putting time and effort into trying to RP torture or interrogation I imagine it's acceptable to snitch, I doubt you'll be banned for roleplaying as long as it makes sense in context Hell yeah, best part if playing CMO is setting up a real ...

TheNightingale

How loyal are you to the team? Are you a fresh convert who hasn't experienced the horrors of war, or are you a roundstart leader with extreme devotion? How serious is the duress? "Talk or we'll kill you" isn't a big threat when there's a borg around the corner watching. Getting pepperspray...

TheNightingale

I thought this thread was going to be about cyberstalking and doxxing people being an Internet Detective.

TheNightingale

Honestly, the black box gives me bad vibes. It seems like anyone who finds it gets a bunch of free OP gear, and kind of breaks the whole "each round is self-contained" thing. If you happen to kill the colossus, you're suddenly the most equipped person of all time, and you can just put the ...

TheNightingale

You should be able to evacuate the pets at the end of the round. Maybe the objective could be something like "Ensure {pet 1} and {pet 2} do not escape alive on the emergency shuttle"? (Which means heads of staff would try their hardest to evac the pets too.)

TheNightingale

Two-handing it should increase its digspeed. Dig faster when you're whacking things with it more.
Also, butcher cleavers do 15 damage too, and I think the base null rod as well. Welders do 15 (burn).

TheNightingale

This is actually a pretty good idea. It means non-antags can't kill pets, antags have more chances to kill pets, and heads of staff guard their pets more. And the CE stops killing Poly at roundstart.

TheNightingale

Eventually you learn who's willing to RP and who's constantly packing a stunprod. But I've never seen a greyshirt take the nuke disk, they usually just beeline for the ID, egun and headset key. I kind of wish they'd take the disk more, it lets Sec track them with the pinpointer.

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