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AnturK has reworked an old policy feature that will allow you to see policy relevant to your current character in game!
By hitting the show policy button in the OOC tab you get a popup that will list out anything added to the config file itself regarding the keywords applied to your character. Here's the general idea of how it works:
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Proposing a new policy (rule change)
You have an idea for a new rule/change to an existing rule and want to see it put into action. Users can comment on if they like it or not. Ultimately, the thread ends when some majority of headmins have made a ruling on putting the proposed rule into action or ignoring it.
Good example: Make catpeople valid. The thread is resolved with a unanimous headmin ruling to ignore the proposed...
This thread is for discussing whether Heretic should remain on MRP.
I always have had problems with heretics on MRP. I already personally think heretics are extremely derivative tryhard antagonists that focus heavily on murderbone and are mostly geared towards veteran players who know what they're doing, and that's probably an interesting premise and challenge for the LRP servers.
But given heretic rolls on the same threat as traitors, cannot be reasonably contained because they possess magic, have...
I've been told numerous times to make a policy thread about this, and after about a month of crazy insane rounds, I've finally decided to bite the bullet. MAY be a bit of an ided post, but I do feel like some of these issues need to be addressed or clarified.
Guess we'll start off with Powergaming in general; what is and isn't constituted as powergame for the general masses? Using things from your department? Using things that are easily obtained and distributed to the crew, like mutations and xenobiology...
above is for discussion, OP was too harsh so dont think I align with that.
Playmining, that is playing while actively being adminned, should not be allowed UNLESS you are the only one on in which case you should wrap up tickets and deadmin again when another joins.
It is bad for optics and more importantly it forces admins to play in a way that would not align with how their character would react because they have information that they must knowingly play dumb on and not ever come to the otherwise normal...
Filling in the tramways doesn't actually contribute to anything except making players that get hit by the tram nearly impossible to revive.
I can't even begin to tell you how many times somebody has gotten totally round-removed due to 600 brute and organ decay because some goober put rods in the tramways.
Making this policy thread, as despite it being related to this ongoing(?) thread ( ), it touches on another previous headmin ruling
specifically
Buying terrible shuttles as captain: Allowed, but the crew is also allowed to mutiny/lynch the captain.
The issues with this is that its usually pretty unfeasible to deal with captains in an ic manner without being killed yourself, as they often have the support of a large portion of the crew + access to very strong equipment, in addition to the fact that most...
There's been a shared idea among the MRP-sphere of the admin team that that security should not gearing up with contraband (traitor gear like eswords, .357s, etc) that they confiscate without a good reason (EX: Dragon attack, zombie infestation, cult) .
I would like this to be discussed and codified somewhere. Currently, it's entirely up to the admin whether they want to warn security officers to stop using contraband and leave their stolen goods behind in the brig. The following MRP rules are often used...
has been merged. This means we can have secret content gateways!
So, there needs to be a system for getting them in and out, if we decide that we do want those gateways in the game and enable them in the config.
How do we do this? Someone needs to be responsible for putting the maps in/out of config, which needs a key holder, we need a way to contact the original creator for any updates.
We could use the architecture used for the Admin Application subforum to create threads for gateway maps, viewable only...
Nothing makes being an antag harder then random assholes being both immune to melee and having fucking wizard abilities for no reason at all. I have seen geneticists have this on fucking greenshifts, and yes this is an ided post, as i just recently had a gimmick ruined by a hulk fireball genetics main that has nothing to do but hunt valids. Honestly genetics is barely a job and should just be moved into another thing that scientists can do, as all geneticists can do is speedrun genetics in 15 minutes then...
Well, I’ve noticed a common gripe among players is that notes are used as ban support, a permanent black mark that makes you more able to be shitcanned. Being that we just the whole “situation” that happened last headmin term, I propose a process to remove old notes after a longer period of time, maybe a year or so, if the player has enough good character references. I’m more than happy to hear any ideas from the administration team with this policy, being that it primarily effects them.
I think the title explains it well, I don't believe it's good for the round to allow the animals to do these things.
It brings rounds fully to an end when you get midround spiders or dragon, you're pushing them back and fighting them off it's an entertaining experience and the crew is winning, then from the corner of your eye you see Giant spider 324 dragging around a can of plasma or n20 or whatever the fuck gas burning half the station down or putting them to sleep then you see Giant spider 320 smashing...
With the recent surge in livestreaming Space Station 13 again (there is someone streaming this with 3,000 viewers at the time of posting) I figured I'd ask the new term's headmins what their stance on streaming is and if they support livestreaming on /tg/station. This seems to already work well with Goonstation and the five minute delay on TGMC.
Should detectives changing their gun to the lethal .357 rounds be allowed ever, I personally think it should not be allowed unless there are nuke ops/blob/xenos/cult(as if you are gonna get anywhere with using ballistics on cult) or other antags that pose a threat to all crew and therefore can be validhunted freely.
Recently I had a shift where I was a heretic. After a short chase with sec that involved me breaking two of my blades, I was detained and brought to brig where I was promptly executed by the Captain and HoS without committing any capital crimes that would normally warrant an execution.
I asked in ahelps if me being executed was acceptable under RP rule 6, I was initially told that it was up to the discretion of command and security whether or not to execute a heretic upon capture. After bringing up...
After revolutionaries kill all the heads of staff and the centcomm message occurs are they no longer considered revolutionaries if the AI has a law regarding revolutionaries? For example, revolutionaries aren't human and must be killed .
We had more then 10 Clowns. One of them bought clown car and they started riding it. Many human harm was commited with clown car.
Problem:
AI bolted down clown car to prevent it from riding arround and getting more people to harm them. It was very obvious the clown car was used to commit human harm. If the AI bolted the clown car down the harm of people in the room would be harmed since the clowns kept crashing into things to hurt everyone inside. If the AI did not bolt down the room the...
So Campbell is very cool and experimental and I think we can push the envelope in very cool ways by embracing it. Right now rounds are extremely long, there are few players and so there's this odd but natural play-by-mail kind of system in place. People log on, do stuff to the station, then leave. I think campbell would benefit from a few more regular players and I think this forms at least part of a solution to achieve that. The best part is it requires no code.
What happen:
I got bwoinked some time ago because i ignored a traitor misspelling his name one humaning me. The admin quoted the Don't be a dick rule at me, saying something along the line Laws have to be take litterally and this would be a dick move to the crew
I got bwoinked yesterday because the hos made a law the head of secuity can give people the non human status and the head of secuity can give people the human status . Spelling errors included. The admin...
The situation
Recently, I got warned for preemptively killing security as an abductor because we had completed our objectives and me and my abductor buddy agreed to troll security. We bought a shrink ray and shrinked people, I had killed 1 person in security because I thought abductors were under rule 4 where they were free to do as they pleased. Apparently, this is not the case.
The problem
There is no policy text or rules anywhere saying that abductors were a side antag and that they didn't have the...
So, currently, Families 4.0 is being tested on Manuel. I think it's been pretty fun. It lead to a good bit of chaos like you'd expect from SS13, but at least here, it also lead into some pretty good roleplay. The kinda initially tense, almost cold war-esque state between two of the gangs before they agreed to a truce due to the third starting to harass unaffiliated people and being super violent towards the other gangs (IE, breaking the peace).
But the second round of it we had, went a little bit...
OOC-in-IC comes up a fair bit as admin, here's some of the most common, in order of most controversial to least controversial:
ERP -- Everyone has gotten their hyucks out of it over the years, but it is the OOC-in-IC a lot of admins won't touch. Even in the most good faith of uses, it's talking about people having sex or whatever, not about performing extensive in-character roleplay in the library. It is acknowledging that the world around you is roleplaying. Furthermore, it's regularly used by...
After discussion with the host, MSO has allowed for nigger to be added to the in-game word filter. An examination of its use in the community has found that most uses of it are OOC, and the signal-to-noise level of usage on both the OOC metric and the racist metric is poor enough to not warrant caring about the edge cases. If added, messages containing it will be rejected just like with other filtered words.
Since the creation of Rule 11 there have been many conversations about how adding slurs to the...
In reference to I am not a fan of the implication (or maybe they didn’t misspeak) that the tram is unmalleable regardless of context. Since I do not think the linked thread actually fits the scenario which I’m speaking about here (if it does feel free to correct), please don’t turn this into a more official peanut posting gallery. This is specifically about the ruling on that thread, not the situation presented in the thread.
If engineering collective wants to remove the tram and replace the space with...
The Roleplay Rules!
They're not nearly as old as Silicon Policy was, but I think they can still be made easier to understand, especially the security and murderbone sections.
Changes:
- Included Campbell in MRP server list
- Different formatting for the rules
- Moved parts of MRP Rule 2 and Rule 5 into precedents (with links to the precedent sections)
- Changed the title of MRP Rule 4 from Validhunting and security. to If you are not part of the security team, you should not go out of your way to hunt...
it is such a gimmick and in all my years i have joined it twice on accident not realizing which one it is and then calling someone elses mic shit before realizing and then promptly leaving
you can replace it with another normal one but with retirement and events vc probably not needed
N.B. Those two previous notes were from ages ago, and I had genuinely thought that our conversations about the name back then had ended in it being allowed. I have played the character since then on both the LRP servers and occasionally Manuel without issue.
Red is a perfectly acceptable ethereal name for an ethereal. There are numerous real life humans who are named Red, and they didn't literally glow red. Why is an ethereal choosing such a name such a huge stretch?
Recently, I got killed by sec as a heretic despite them not knowing for sure I was one, and I got told that on LRP servers, killing an antag is never punishable no matter what.
While I'm OK with the ruling on this one, since the situation was fairly complicated, I do recall that someone got banned for randomly griefing someone who happened to be an antag.
So I'd like to check to see if killing an antag is always valid no matter what, and if it is, to question why this is the policy since I can't think of...
This policy is intended to discuss and clarify who and to which extent are held accountable during a mass griefing situation. I didn't manage to find other sources, if there are any do post them here. I can think of two situations on the top of my head:
Active captain declares a race/speices war - humans vs non-humans
Is I was just following orders from my superiors enough to push the whole accountability on the captain or are each individual player responsible for their actions?
What happens if the...
Is there any policy on this. Some doofus was arguing you can do either without getting banned since you can't be forced to antag and as far as I'm aware that team antag conversions cannot be squirmed out of from past policy. I assume that borg machine is no different from a cult rune.
TO clarify if doing this would just earn a role ban or if you can catch a regular ban for doing such behavior, either once or repeatedly.
Made a funny announcement with a line from lyrics of russian song, nothing special, get this , I think bwoinking over harmless joke like this is absurdly stupid, it's not spam or annoying or something, it's just harmless joke on lowpop. I do also have this thing (A note for speaking russian on aprils fools day as a gimmick) which is just beyond stupid. I do think usage of non english speech for a purpose a joke shouldn't be bwionkable if it's not spamming.
EDIT: Also just noticed now, note for...
This is more an effort to understand the logic behind the decision taken by the headmins than anything else. To those unaware, retired admins are being obliged to get a month of activity before being taken back in.
When speaking with Naloac about this, they explained that it was to avoid inactive admins. However, currently there's a high amount of inactive admins that are adminned, from which even some have connected only once every few months.
The only thing this will accomplish is people not retiring...
Deactivate administrative permissions on accounts that are logging in under suspicious circumstances, pending a response to a security question. We can automate this, but doing it manually would suffice for now.
Mandatory criteria for suspicious circumstances:
1. Hasn't logged in for a time period, ideally a week, but a month at most.
2. Has logged in on a new IP address. No exceptions, even if the CID matches, because modern ban evasion tools can spoof a specific CID and due to other SS13 servers...
The numbers don't lie. Why are we spending bandwidth, processing power, and money on a server that performs worse than most dead hub servers, with an average of only 15 players at the most active part of the day (2 AM UTC)?
It's clear we need to do something. Perhaps switch the codebase out, adjust the ruleset, or consider old yellering the poor server.
We haven't been designing for less than 30 player rounds since 2015, and rounds this empty just aren't enjoyable.
Since my my original post got no headmin-ruling and was locked/purged i'm remaking it.
My original points still stand. Over the months since that post it's obvious the channels are supported by the admins who post almost exclusively there and curate a meta-friend group within the tgstation Discord. These channels regularly host rule-breaking content, particularly rule 11 and yet admins turn a blind eye to it. Containment threads do not work and you're making excuses when you use them to justify it's...
MooCow recently got noted by a Trialmin on Sybil for saying powergame ICly, and according to them, it was very likely that a headmin participated in the decision to give him that note.
While I could see an argument for the term powergame being forbidden on Manuel, it being forbidden on the LRP servers seems just absurd to me. To me, it's like noting someone for saying ocky icky .
If we're not supposed to call it powergaming , what ARE we supposed to call it?
Scenario #1:
Traitor #1 has hijack and can legally murderbone
Traitor #2 does not, same with Traitor #3
They team up and inform each other of their objectives, when the shuttle arrives #2 and #3 aid #1 in murderbone. Is this legal.
Scenario #2:
A traitor buys an syndicate radio key to discover that there are nuke ops planning to attack the station, the traitor and the nuke ops come up with a plan that would result in the traitor (whom has no murderbone objs) murderboneing, said traitor releases a...
First of all, good day, I welcome you to this discussion!
As is currently policy, appeals of any kind are always made to the responsible administrator in question. In some circumstances, head administrators will overrule the decision that was made. A strict code of conduct is enforced, where parties not related to the case may only provide information (such as providing logs). As it is, the administrator issuing the punishment can fully approve or decline the appeal entirely on his own volition.
its votable on more than 50 pop, it seems the headmins forgot to change the config or the config doesnt work, in the meanwhile that this is fixed we could remove the map from rotation
The shuttle is broken and has trouble interacting with a lot of things depending on where it lands - random walls and parts of the station will get stuck to it as well as multiple invisible walls happening for some reason. Most of the time you can't guarantee you will be able to get onto the shuttle from escape, it does not have a confirmed entrance from escape while meteor with rockets on it did. It eats up more credits than any other shuttle in the game, this is screwing over cargo and the crew just so...
I received a day ban today for the below scenario. I had an amiable chat with the banning admin, and can understand why I was banned, but this feels like a bit of a gray area, so I wanted to make sure it gets put down to paper somewhere: exactly when is it alright to build a deathtrap?
The example scenario is:
There is an active revolution, rapidly approaching completion. You are the Chief Engineer. You have just watched the Head of Security get bludgeoned to death outside of the bridge.
You install...
So During round 164141 on Sybil LRP I was doing a capitalist captain gimmick
Normal stuff, nothing too far out there. Getting into character, things like that. A quarter through the round I was repeatedly bad luck cursed and bwoinked by an administrator for the Gimmick I was running. What I did was I uploaded the Corporate lawset to the AI, and I bought the luxury shuttle and told the crew to make those credits. I also offered to sell the nuclear arms disk for whoever could get ahold of an obscene amount...
We've been looking over old headmin and policy rulings recently, and while many of them are simply obsolete or a simple change to the current defacto standard, some of the old rulings will need proper rewrites.
As a start to that, I'm opening this thread as a discussion ground for finding out what people think of the outdated policy of using explosives and other tools of mass destruction to kill antagonists, and how people think this policy should be amended for dynamic going forward.
I'm making this policy discussion as I would like clarification about how grief against non-human races is handled. I've seen many times where the players are attacked for no other reason beaten almost to crit but because they're not quite killed it's ruled an ic issue. This seems like it should be some form of punishment as it must be breaking rule 1.
I've also heard that if you attack a species such as a cat you are justified to take their tail to make a whip, or a lizard's for wine even if it's against...
When and where this incident occurred: Event Hall US, 2021-06-27
Byond account: RaveRadbury
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE: 164919
Detailed summary:
Seasonal events are a tremendous effort and it seems like every time we have one admins who are not members of the event staff take liberties with their tools in ways that can derail or shorten the event.
This complaint has been made in an attempt to address the most recent instances so that we may see fewer of them in the future.
This concerns the AI, Security and the Captain. And this thread is being created in response to something brought up in policy-bus on discord earlier today.
Initiating conflict is commonplace in SS13 and is usually an IC issue unless very severe. If someone attacks you, you can attack them back and etc. You shouldn't be going out of your way to destroy someones rounds unprovoked but through proper escalation this option becomes available.
However, an issue becomes present when one of the 3 above listed...
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