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Antonkr wrote:I really dislike the egun change most. HoS relies on Eguns heavily as his primary weapon, and removing the stun function just make it really lame and useless. Disablers as shown are well, just that, useless. I dislike the tone of "eguns won't be getting back their stun function" because imo, it makes the egun entirely worthless for what it is supposed to be.

A stun and lase ezmode weapon? No thanks, the stun function on the egun is for making targets easier to fill with lasers or smack with your telebaton, fuck the tase and lase mentality to infinity and byond.

Leave the Ebow with unlimited ammo but just reduce it's range and make it's cooldown a little bit longer. Giving it limited ammo will make it near useless.

And a question, is there anyway for changelings to reduce the disabler damager? I tried using fleshmend but that didn't work and using the overdose doesn't really help since you will move so slowly.

There is no method currently available in the game to heal stamina damage other than the passive regeneration you constantly have going, or sleeping. I added it to my PR, but since this one was added instead, changelings are fucked.

Tsaricide wrote:And a question, is there anyway for changelings to reduce the disabler damager? I tried using fleshmend but that didn't work and using the overdose doesn't really help since you will move so slowly.

I addressed this in my upcoming PR already, no worries.

DemonFiren wrote:But does he have acc...oh, wait, HoP.

Contrary to popular belief, the HoP has access to sec lockers. I've seen too many HoPs stunned and stripped by HoSs who ignored this little piece of information.

HoP actually has full brig access, except for armory and HoS office. That includes permabrig, timers and detective's office.

Grazyn wrote:

DemonFiren wrote:But does he have acc...oh, wait, HoP.

Contrary to popular belief, the HoP has access to sec lockers. I've seen too many HoPs stunned and stripped by HoSs who ignored this little piece of information.

Sadly its not the Head of Personal's job to have possession of Security equipment. Also all heads of staff have brig access, though it is true that for some reason the HoP has access to all of security.

Either way, access does not equal authorization. If you burst into Sec's equipment room and start taking security equipment don't act surprised (as they all do) when the HoS robusts you.

Heads of staff have access to the lobby and break room.

As for access and authority, I hate when HoP/captain comes at round start, collects half of armory and robs officer lockers, but I also hate it when HoS or, god forbid, warden goes all "RESPECT MAI AUTHORATEY" and stuncuffs heads who actually have legitimate concerns about their employees being mistreated and drag them out of the brig, even though they are totally authorized to be there.

Hop is the just in case head.

Cap dead well just in case here have a hop.

Security absent/dead/worthless? Here a hop looky at that.

Would prefer ebows have an alternate reload system. Playing around with the foam dart bow has pretty much convinced me the bolts will just be gone by random providence unless you are being a shitty maint assassin and pretending it is a parapen.

Maybe clip/batteries that reload themselves on hand activation after a few seconds but are radioactive while they do it? So those without rad protection get a hidey hole for their recharging clips.

Good? Not sure what to tell you, ebows are stupid overpowered as it stands. They either keep their ridiculous stun or unlimited ammo, not both.

Tasers also technically have unlimited ammo but they need to reload at chargers. Making the clips self reloading but dangerous to be around when reloading should make them basically a differing recharge mechanic.

Frankly the most boring traitors to me are the ones that loot an officer or raid the armoury all the fucking time to get top sec gear, make the ebow too shit and they will almost do that all the time.

Reminder you can move rechargers so it wouldn't be op if there was a similar recharge time and a mechanic to encourage them to drop it somewhere or wrench it down or whatever.

Incomptinence wrote:Frankly the most boring traitors to me are the ones that loot an officer or raid the armoury all the fucking time to get top sec gear, make the ebow too shit and they will almost do that all the time.

If this actually happened more, wardens might actually start doing their jobs and guarding the armory instead of going off to ERP in medbay.

Steelpoint wrote:

Grazyn wrote:

DemonFiren wrote:But does he have acc...oh, wait, HoP.

Contrary to popular belief, the HoP has access to sec lockers. I've seen too many HoPs stunned and stripped by HoSs who ignored this little piece of information.

Sadly its not the Head of Personal's job to have possession of Security equipment. Also all heads of staff have brig access, though it is true that for some reason the HoP has access to all of security.

Either way, access does not equal authorization. If you burst into Sec's equipment room and start taking security equipment don't act surprised (as they all do) when the HoS robusts you.

Standard ID access should be treated with a little more respect than upgraded access though, this is not the case with many HoSs stuncuffing the HoP because "You gave yourself access to steal sec equipment, shitty HoP, im demoting you". And by the way the HoP can't access the armory, just sec lockers, so there's that. Usually HoPs just go there to grab a pair of SecHuds, but I guess that if they're gonna start looting lockers for tasers it should be better to remove their standard access.

This hasn't been a bad change generally. Disablers make for fights where actually being consistently accurate matters a lot more.
Were Eguns buffed/Shotguns fixed yet?

While I like the idea of it I've found almost every gunfight I've been in since the change to end in EVERYONE GET ON THE FLOOR with the winner being the person who can scramble to pick up the best weapon that got dropped in the process the quickest.

I'm really not sure what can be done about it, it's just an observation and something I dislike since the change.

btw the new eguns go invisible in hand when you empty them

danno wrote:btw the new eguns go invisible in hand when you empty them

Not making an issue request.

I just took a look and somehow something weird happened, some of the Egun sprites are MIA. I know that this was not the case a week ago since I'm responsible for the Egun's minor colour change.

The inhand files are at the limit, steelpoint, you have to remove unused inhands and shit before doing this. This is why I told you to get rid of the 'dark blue' egun sprites and just replace them with the new light blue ones.

paprika wrote:The inhand files are at the limit, steelpoint, you have to remove unused inhands and shit before doing this. This is why I told you to get rid of the 'dark blue' egun sprites and just replace them with the new light blue ones.

I did.

Weird, might as well make a new PR for it then, it might be at the limit. Double check before committing to ensure your inhands are in the files

Can't you do somthing with all those jumpsuit inhands?

Aleph wrote:Can't you do somthing with all those jumpsuit inhands?

Bit off topic. May want to make a spriting thread.

I really do like this change. I don't think it is tuned but it definitely leads the game in interesting places and the added stat of fatigue damage on a weapon brings us to: Range, ammo, damage, stun (yes or no), projectile type, damage type, and fatigue. Meaning this is one of those underlying changes that can be built on to diversify the weapon set and make more options viable.

The ability to disable through glass also feels amazing.

Can secbelts hold tasers? HoS already has an eyepatch hud, all we need now is to carry a brace of tasers and be the most robust pirate on the seven sectors of space

Another stun change got merged from pap, link here: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/6747

Things of note.

• Buffed Tasers to 20 disable shots
• Disable weapons are defended from energy defence values, not from laser.
• Shotgun and Detective Revolvers are buffed to stun properly.
• Ebow now bolt fed, does not have unlimited ammo. Price dropped to 10 TC's.
• Can attach a Seclit to a Advance Taser

Steelpoint wrote:Another stun change got merged from pap, link here: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/6747

>Added an LMG and a 6-shot grenade launcher to the syndicate borg to replace the laser gun and ebow. The LMG will automatically regenerate ammo like the ebow did, does no stun, but does 35 damage and shits on anything with a nearly bottomless magazine. The grenades will also wreck people since the syndie borg's ez mode stuns have been removed for compensation and the borg still remains 40tc.

What the fuck

I honestly don't know how to feel about this, i'll have to see it in action first.

Isn't the potential knockout effect from explosions stronger than modern stuns?

Can the borg even reload that grenade launcher from a bought clip?

Paprikas Brain Wrote:
Hmmm. Syndie borgs can't instantly stun people anymore, that's a pretty big nerf... I know! I'll give them a semi-automatic rotary drum fed 40mm grenade launcher! That seems balanced!

I'd pay 40 crystals just to have the grenade launcher, the borg is just icing on the cake. I guess we'll see how it goes.

That's pretty balanced though considering like 100% of syndicate borgs relied on the ebow

Considering new damage output maybe change the charge needed to esword? Always struck me silly that 30 damage melee was considered 5 times more powerful (going by the five times charge, well being silly but he even got the number of hits to crit a guy wrong) than a 20 damage laser by the guy who made the module. With 35 damage ranged and a deeper clip it becomes even more silly

Well the esword can knock people out, can't it?

Not sure the exact chance on that hence why most people couple it with a proper stun I suppose.

yeah I might tweak the syndie borg's loadout more after observing more rounds with them. Until then, enjoy unstunnable rambo.

Incomptinence wrote:Not sure the exact chance on that hence why most people couple it with a proper stun I suppose.

I thought KD was (10+force)%

Was ninja's stun dart or whatever staying 1 hit stun intentional or just overlooked? Cbf to read this whole thread to look for anything on ninjas.

P indifferent to the entire change, maybe give tasers more disabler shots or let them keep 5 taser shots but keep the range nerf. I dunno mang.

Tasers have 20 disabler shots as of a few days ago

The nerf to tasers where they had 2 shots was an unintentional bug