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That man just had an argument with himself in a single post and it took him over an hour to write

PKPenguin321 wrote:

cedarbridge wrote:If you need a roundstart infintitaser to keep up your traitor KDR you need to de-casual yourself

Read kors posts young one

Obligatory "readd secborgs"

cedarbridge wrote:If you need a roundstart infintitaser to keep up your traitor KDR you need to de-casual yourself

People who can use the ebow and slaughter the whole station are 9/10 times the same people that can slaughter the whole station with the clown PDA and a toolbox, telling them to git gud doesn't work.

cedarbridge wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:

cedarbridge wrote:If you need a roundstart infintitaser to keep up your traitor KDR you need to de-casual yourself

Read kors posts young one

Obligatory "readd secborgs"

Do it.

Sligneris wrote:

Anonmare wrote:You can't buy an e-sword and an e-bow except in the rare event of a discount though.

An e-sword is 8 TCs and an e-bow is 14 TCs. Basic maths tells us that is 22TC in cost.

Did I miss something? I distinctly recall it costing 12 TC, and being just enough to spend all 20 TCs when combined with an esword.

youre right anonmare is wrong esword is 8 ebow is 12

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Sligneris wrote:

Anonmare wrote:You can't buy an e-sword and an e-bow except in the rare event of a discount though.

An e-sword is 8 TCs and an e-bow is 14 TCs. Basic maths tells us that is 22TC in cost.

Did I miss something? I distinctly recall it costing 12 TC, and being just enough to spend all 20 TCs when combined with an esword.

youre right anonmare is wrong esword is 8 ebow is 12

it's still only tangentially related becuase as has been said before, you can kill them with anything that does brute after getting the ebow stun, but I figured it was strange that you couldn't buy both

just didn't bother to check

Kor wrote:We need traitor gear to be powerful because we balance our game for people with 10 rounds vs people with 10k rounds

This doesn't work or in typical coderbus fashion they are out of touch

All you require to go on a extended revolver shootout is a hacked autolathe, lots of metal and then print out 10k bullets to make you even (if not stronger) by negating the cost, additionally the ebow & strong melee compliment are infinite and high damage. Just strap on your deep pockets army belt with bought & printed TC and have fun shooting the crew with a extremely powerful revolver.

Way to sink your own reasoning. Out of all the offensive weapons (strong melee/unlimited ammo or renewable ammo guns) these are the ones that aren't justified by that statement to exist because they exceed the 10k bullets that the station has/can make and is also base stronger than what the station has. In which case they have to rely on stuns & cheap knockdown tactics which of course isn't fun.

How do you stop a carp-fu user? You stun or flash them to the ground OR by chance run into the gaping hole of a opportunity with a active stun baton. The same applies for lings, with a exceptionally if not even more strong post-dismemberment since the attack force is so high its as strong as the captain's sword for literally cutting you into pieces in which you can't react. Dismemberment & destruction have been made worse. Beanbag rounds work on anything that can't deflect bullets, but if the ebow shoots you first, then obviously beanbag rounds or lethal rounds cease to be useful.

> Traitors actively can destroy the incinerator & cloning just by bashing/shooting it with a esword without even using a bomb, reducing it to scrap metal, debris & a board which then they can steal.

The revolver might have limitless ammo if you raid EVA but their clips are finite. They get 6 shots before they have to reload, during which their precious gun is useless. Dogpile on them in that window. Get good.

I have little trouble rounding traitors up by the carload and gassing them, and when I inevitably get dunked it's always because I fucked up or got outplayed. You lot need to play HoS more and grow a pair, get STRONK LIKE ME, and understand sometimes you just lose.

ShadowDimentio wrote:

cedarbridge wrote:If you need a roundstart infintitaser to keep up your traitor KDR you need to de-casual yourself

People who can use the ebow and slaughter the whole station are 9/10 times the same people that can slaughter the whole station with the clown PDA and a toolbox, telling them to git gud doesn't work.

If someone somehow murderbones with those i'd be impressed rather than mad, so if by removing the ebow we see the expert murderers use more complex or hard methods i'm all for it.

*Swap to hybrid taser while you grab another speed loader out of your army fannypack*

OwO what's this? A free reload for the hotkey master race which can instantly swap hands & auto stash guns to swap into storage? And a looted gun to constantly keep people floored because stashing tasers is a shitty tactic used to stunlock people? OwO.

I mean all you need is 1 speed loader in your hand at all times, Q to drop when its empty (the gun will dump out the bullets itself) and pick another one out of your army bag inventory, and continue moving on. Reloading is practically nothing.

> Having a .357 revolver
> Using tasers

Do people actually do this?

Shoot them at point blank range when they are tasered on the floor to conserve ammo i guess. People carry two tasers at once so its not even that bad a strategy to adapt.

Self recharging antique pistol also suffices.

I just get a dozen and a half of speed loaders instead. No need for inferior guns.

The Revolver strategy is to put your Revolver in your backpack, walk up to your next unsuspecting victim, pull out your Revolver and double tap the target. The only people who can survive two hits from the Revolver is the Head of Security, and a third shot will crit him. This strategy works very well from what I've witnessed in game.

The sheath/unsheath strike is extremely effective for every weapon that hits hard/stuns.

Buff stun duration, nerf projectile regen to prevent stunlock (on multiple people I mean), let it be purchasable with esword again so the lizards can get their murderboner to a half-chub.

Is this good?

ebow/esword was a very bad combo though

oranges wrote:ebow/esword was a very bad combo though

the esword doesnt matter all that much when you can literally use a screwdriver because lolebowmemes

lets just do the thing

k

Do you guys not see the inherent contradiction/insanity of saying we need absolutely 0 rules to encourage traitor creativity with limitless, and then hard removing/nerfing tons of said options to cater to a tiny minority of players that are too good at the game?

Do you not see the inherent contradiction of letting traitors get a boring stun item when you want them to be creative?

Maybe Ebow is a bad place to make this stand, but the usual suspects will just switch to revolvers or stunprod/EMP flashlight to steal a taser from an officer and now you have the same problem again.

Well at least they have to steal it from security instead of having it given to them I guess ?

Yeah except now you've screwed over the newbies while the shitty players who either afk/suicide assistant or otherwise kill everyone mindlessly will still be doing their thing.

Okay you're probably right.

Kor wrote:Yeah except now you've screwed over the newbies while the shitty players who either afk/suicide assistant or otherwise kill everyone mindlessly will still be doing their thing.

Maybe newbies shouldn't be rolling for traitor until they get their feet wet and their hands bloody.

Maybe veteran killers and veteran victims are the real unfun things to encounter since people still start playing a game with the foulest worst system ever created, stun combat.

If only security killed criminals on the spot with m-16s!

Why do we need kill-crutches to also be perfect murderbone tools? Make a limited use item like the sleepypen if someone needs it for their kill objective and can't use station stuff. I feel like we should encourage carefulness and sneakiness on new traitors, not teach them that murderbone is their easiest option.

As for experienced murderboners, i'd be fine with them turning to other methods, at least it makes gameplay different. I'd still advocate for removing revolver and esword as well.

See I told you the parapen was a great traitor item.

The ebow is the cancer of lowpop

GIT IT OUT OF MY COMFY ROUNDS

There was a round on sybil just now where someone used ebow + esword unfortunately, RIP

EDIT: yeah it was lowpop

Qbopper wrote:There was a round on sybil just now where someone used ebow + esword unfortunately, RIP

EDIT: yeah it was lowpop

Kill them

are we gonna go in circles on this

Qbopper wrote:are we gonna go in circles on this

...You do realize where we are, right?

Doctor Pork wrote:

Qbopper wrote:are we gonna go in circles on this

...You do realize where we are, right?

In a bikeshed thread in the middle of a coding freeze.

Qbopper wrote:

IcePacks wrote:this is more an issues with stuns than anything else

probably true, stun and done combat is an issue imo but I don't know a good way to solve it and it's been discussed before

hi

i posted an extremely well thought-out change to stun and done that almost everyone overlooked in favor of converting everything into stamina chainstuns or porting over lifeweb shit.

you are fighting a fucking upcliff battle my friend. i respect your tenacity immensely but every player poster in feedback has been trained in the art of jamming their fingers in their ears and screeching until people stop disagreeing or someone with more authority makes them concede

oranges has been trained in using the same line about people not liking change over and over (though it's still pretty true)

and yeah pax I wasn't sure of anything I could propose that wouldn't be shot down in flames and we all saw your thread, so... rip

>tfw nerfed this shitty holdover from 2010 years ago and you guys put it back

heh

Shoo Paprika we don't talk about your changes

paprika wrote:>tfw nerfed this shitty holdover from 2010 years ago and you guys put it back

heh

we didnt revert it we're complaining about your ebow

well i'm not but they are

PKPenguin321 wrote:

paprika wrote:>tfw nerfed this shitty holdover from 2010 years ago and you guys put it back

heh

we didnt revert it we're complaining about your ebow

well i'm not but they are

Unless I'm confusing rewords, pap's ebow was the one with darts you had to manually reload.

Basically a crossbow for space daryls.

cedarbridge wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:

paprika wrote:>tfw nerfed this shitty holdover from 2010 years ago and you guys put it back

heh

we didnt revert it we're complaining about your ebow

well i'm not but they are

Unless I'm confusing rewords, pap's ebow was the one with darts you had to manually reload.

that was proposed but rejected so he swapped it to the KA style gun we have now

New ebow IS old ebow


Thats why its kind of funny its still getting complaints in 2017