/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:28 am**

Bottom post of the previous page:

https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=205

61.8% of players who voted dislike hygiene.

So when are we gonna see a removal PR?

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:39 am**

Who made that poll?

edit: ah, nervere

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:48 am**

Dax Dupont wrote:https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=205

61.8% of players who voted dislike hygiene.

So when are we gonna see a removal PR?

When you make the PR

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:49 pm**

Grazyn wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=205

61.8% of players who voted dislike hygiene.

So when are we gonna see a removal PR?
When you make the PR

I don't have time to clean up so much shitcode sadly.

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:55 pm**

Dax Dupont wrote:
Grazyn wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote: So when are we gonna see a removal PR?
When you make the PR
i'd rather complain

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:35 pm**

Dax Dupont wrote:
Grazyn wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=205

61.8% of players who voted dislike hygiene.

So when are we gonna see a removal PR?
When you make the PR
I don't have time to clean up so much shitcode sadly.

Just drag it to the shower. That works, right?

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:50 pm**

headmin polls dont really matter in terms of whether or not something gets removed, just as much as a coderbus poll wont get an admin removed.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:46 am**

hey guys improve don't remove am I right?

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:59 am**

i smell stink removal
nevermind nothing smells anymore

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:09 pm**

Dax Dupont wrote:
Grazyn wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=205

61.8% of players who voted dislike hygiene.

So when are we gonna see a removal PR?
When you make the PR
I don't have time to clean up so much shitcode sadly.

Revert button

Posted: **Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:59 am**

4dplanner wrote:hey guys improve don't remove am I right?

No, that only counts when it's something I like.

Posted: **Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:42 pm**

Almost 70 percent in favor of removing. Get rid of this filth (haha pun)

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:02 am**

somerandomguy wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:
Grazyn wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=205

61.8% of players who voted dislike hygiene.

So when are we gonna see a removal PR?
When you make the PR
I don't have time to clean up so much shitcode sadly.
Revert button

Revert button doesn't work after a bunch of changes and new mergers you chumbis

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:44 am**

Dax Dupont wrote:
somerandomguy wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:
Grazyn wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=205

61.8% of players who voted dislike hygiene.

So when are we gonna see a removal PR?
When you make the PR
I don't have time to clean up so much shitcode sadly.
Revert button
Revert button doesn't work after a bunch of changes and new mergers you chumbis

You could revert each change individually. Granted if people made non-atomic commits, then you're reverting unrelated stuff. Either way it's not super trivially easy, but hey, nothing ever is, right?

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:45 am**

the ship has sailed, it's almost impossible to remove a feature after a bunch of other stuff dependent on it has been added

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:35 pm**

you guys act as if it's impossible to config hygiene. anyways the PR I was working on is almost done but I havn't had much time home yet due to uni so I gotta work on it for a bit more

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:41 pm**

The real issue from my perspective is, Hygiene and Moodlets would be acceptable on a server like paradise or Aurora. But not here. So, I'm honestly just wondering if Qustinnus knows which server he's coding for

And even better, what are his reasons for coding these things

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:14 pm**

It will never become a config option because oranges doesn't like config options

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:51 pm**

Grazyn wrote:the ship has sailed, it's almost impossible to remove a feature after a bunch of other stuff dependent on it has been added

It can get awfully messy

Grazyn wrote:It will never become a config option because oranges doesn't like config options

Rightfully so, config locking just means the server turns it off and 2 years from now someone realizes that dirtiness locks the server up if you turn it on. If you want it gone, it needs to be really, really gone. If some downstream wants it back they can just revert the removal.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:41 am**

MisterPerson wrote:
Grazyn wrote:the ship has sailed, it's almost impossible to remove a feature after a bunch of other stuff dependent on it has been added
It can get awfully messy

Grazyn wrote:It will never become a config option because oranges doesn't like config options
Rightfully so, config locking just means the server turns it off and 2 years from now someone realizes that dirtiness locks the server up if you turn it on. If you want it gone, it needs to be really, really gone. If some downstream wants it back they can just revert the removal.

Config locks also let idiots who don't know how game design work make game design changes, too.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:51 am**

MisterPerson wrote:
Grazyn wrote:the ship has sailed, it's almost impossible to remove a feature after a bunch of other stuff dependent on it has been added
It can get awfully messy

Grazyn wrote:It will never become a config option because oranges doesn't like config options
Rightfully so, config locking just means the server turns it off and 2 years from now someone realizes that dirtiness locks the server up if you turn it on. If you want it gone, it needs to be really, really gone. If some downstream wants it back they can just revert the removal.

It's funny how I know that and I'm not even a coder, which makes me think qustinnus is just messing with us when he pretends hygiene can be configed out

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:54 am**

Honestly I've not had any problems with hygiene since the latest update, it just forces you to not walk around covered in blood (which ruins my epic miner character)

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:04 am**

i agree with 4d, i've rarely had to shower, even if at all recently

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:15 am**

I don't have a problem with hygiene as it currently stands. I can spend all shift with bloody shoes and maybe have to shower a hour into the round, but if you get blood on your body it doesn't take too long before the stench comes. It means messy jobs like Miner/Cook might want to bathe more often while regular crew members just bathe as the situation demands. I'm kind of indifferent about it as a feature. I don't think it deserves the hate it gets in it's current state but I won't feel too bad if you decided to ditch it. I like people using showers and moving around a bit more I guess and more mechanics involving miasma are kind of neat. I'm happy enough to give it a shot like moodlets.

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:58 pm**

Currently attacking in melee drastically drains your hygiene for every hit so any kind of fighting is more or less guaranteed to get you dirty very quickly

I'd either remove or greatly reduce it and increase the drain from having bloody clothes (if necessary) so that the drain mostly comes from neglecting to get rid of bloody clothes instead of instantly getting dirty just from being caught in a fight

Posted: **Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:32 pm**

I have another issue with hygiene

It keeps calling me a dumbass whenever I don't take off all of my clothes in the shower. Like wtf, I'm making myself vulnerable and I'm also getting bad moodlets?

Very painful.

Posted: **Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:24 pm**

There was a PR by Qustinnus to remove the debuff but I guess it didn't take.

I understand not getting mood buffs or removing the stank overlay for clothed showering, but there's still other reasons to use the safety showers and the debuff is terrible. It's even worse now because it's not clear what counts as clothing (showering with shoes is fine but not welding helmets ¯\_(ツ)_/¯).

The mood system is only immersive when it links with the player. When you lose an arm, you are upset because it's harder to work with just one arm, and the debuff reflects that. When you constantly slip, you're upset with the constant interruptions (or worse) and the mood debuff reflects that too. But when you use a shower to put out a fire, you're generally happy, or at least a bit relieved for having that particular issue gone, and the debuff that you feel stupid, like you should have kept burning is a disconnect.

Posted: **Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:41 pm**

>debuff is terrible

it's a mood penalty just hug a corgi

Posted: **Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:50 pm**

oranges wrote:>debuff is terrible

it's a mood penalty just hug a corgi

what do we do when the greyshit killed Ian though Oranges

WHAT DO WE DO

Posted: **Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:04 pm**

Killing anyone covered in Ian's blood should give a mood buff tbqh

Posted: **Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:01 am**

There's plenty of corgis in the holodeck you can go hug instead on Pet Park

Posted: **Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:02 am**

Shadowflame909 wrote:
oranges wrote:>debuff is terrible

it's a mood penalty just hug a corgi
what do we do when the greyshit killed Ian though Oranges

WHAT DO WE DO

sometimes you lose

Posted: **Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:10 pm**

iamgoofball wrote: sometimes you lose

When we're playing a space themed autism simulator that now has stink fetish content, and you can cop a ban for killing a cat rolling around naked in public rambling about its stink fetish, do we ever not lose?

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:56 am**

WarbossLincoln wrote:
iamgoofball wrote: sometimes you lose
When we're playing a space themed autism simulator that now has stink fetish content, and you can cop a ban for killing a cat rolling around naked in public rambling about its stink fetish, do we ever not lose?

i dunno but you should RDM them every time you see them

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:55 am**

iamgoofball wrote:
WarbossLincoln wrote:
iamgoofball wrote: sometimes you lose
When we're playing a space themed autism simulator that now has stink fetish content, and you can cop a ban for killing a cat rolling around naked in public rambling about its stink fetish, do we ever not lose?
i dunno but you should RDM them every time you see them

How to get weekbanned for metagrudging 101

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:39 pm**

iamgoofball wrote:
WarbossLincoln wrote:
iamgoofball wrote: sometimes you lose
When we're playing a space themed autism simulator that now has stink fetish content, and you can cop a ban for killing a cat rolling around naked in public rambling about its stink fetish, do we ever not lose?
i dunno but you should RDM them every time you see them

>RDM
wow, we really are ttt now

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:05 pm**

wesoda25 wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:
WarbossLincoln wrote:
iamgoofball wrote: sometimes you lose
When we're playing a space themed autism simulator that now has stink fetish content, and you can cop a ban for killing a cat rolling around naked in public rambling about its stink fetish, do we ever not lose?
i dunno but you should RDM them every time you see them
How to get weekbanned for metagrudging 101

As AI I door shock any cat who says shit like "helpies" or "hewo" or any other really gay and annoying cat shit. Does that count?

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:55 pm**

That doesn't take them out of the round and is probably one of the best responses

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:53 pm**

Warboss really is the best AI

Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:44 pm**

Victory at last

Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:56 pm**

wesoda25 wrote:Victory at last

Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:11 pm**

nice

lmao those "b-but I was about to fix it" comments..

Posted: **Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:50 am**

I intend to bring it back with further changes, the removal is until we can improve it.

Posted: **Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:44 pm**

oranges wrote:I intend to bring it back with further changes, the removal is until we can improve it.

based and orangepilled

Posted: **Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:41 pm**

oranges wrote:I intend to bring it back with further changes, the removal is until we can improve it.

I'm fine with that. I look forward to it's return.

Posted: **Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:10 pm**

Yeah but how to we get the players to actually bathe more than once in their lives?

Posted: **Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:09 am**

Honestly, I think the real problem with Hygiene is that like mood, it literally used code to try and enforce new rules upon players.

If you want people to worry about dirty clothes, have the headmins make space-law enforced again. Now shitcurity is looking for any suspicious behavior like that.

Leave the rules to the rules, please. That's how it's been done everywhere else.

Posted: **Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:51 am**

mood isnt bad, I get the point of it. The difference is theres no point to hygiene.

Posted: **Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:10 am**

Shadowflame909 wrote:Leave the rules to the rules, please. That's how it's been done everywhere else.

lol

Posted: **Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:16 am**

help nerbere orange man is seizing the means of rulemaking

Posted: **Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:12 pm**

what rule does not going out of your department break?

There needs to be mechanical incentive to get a large portion of our players to do stuff

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