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Lumbermancer wrote:Why is it a game within a game?

Because it's F U N

Well I will never know, since you have to afk as a ghost and then get lucky to try it.

>get lucky

What?
Every dorf round I've wanted I've just hopped on and gotten a dorf.

Yeah, I just hopped on and clicked the portal and poof, dorf.

Time to take a dump

[img]smelter bucket (all states).dmi: https://file.house/n2rU.dmi
chisel (all states).dmi : https://file.house/P8oL.dmi

Secret stuff within

Good sprites, would be great to have the bucket sprites to distinguish the smelted ore.

And can we just have one bucket and the smelter stores the ore

Steelpoint wrote:Good sprites, would be great to have the bucket sprites to distinguish the smelted ore.

I did raise that with goof, but in my mind it seemed a bit to snowflakey, assuming that the smelter is going to make anything put in it with a heat of a 1000 (which is how hot things come out the other end) almost molten hot anyway.

Also check for my "secret" thing

Remie Richards wrote:>get lucky

What?
Every dorf round I've wanted I've just hopped on and gotten a dorf.

I was under impression it works like ashlizards, it's a first-come first-serve popup, no?

Not even, just click on the portal to spawn in currently.

I'll stonewall this unless you can get leather from cats. cat leather and cat meat has fed and clothed every fortress I ever made at some point.

Goof is giving the generic cat hide to fortress cats, as opposed to dropping complete leather. I guess you'll need black cat variants then instead of the brown for it to match up.

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:I'll stonewall this unless you can get leather from cats. cat leather and cat meat has fed and clothed every fortress I ever made at some point.

This is in

goof you need a reagent blacklist

>tfw this ghost role is almost more fun than the actual game

Can confirm that cats breed and drop cat skin you can process into leather. Cows don't seem to drop cowhide though.

Soapmaking is also easier because ash from the smelter is already hot.

oranges wrote:goof you need a reagent blacklist

Yeah. some experimentation with the reagent weapons got bit silly, not only were synthflesh shovels basically staffs of healing, but someone actually made a strange reagent sword, so they could ressurect the dead with it.

If you want crazy meme reagent weapons, at least require the crafter to actually be a dwarf before doing it.

Also, I suggest allowing bones to be useable as hilts, it would let other lavaland roles get in on the smithing fun.

Can we get the music back now?

oranges wrote:goof you need a reagent blacklist

I'm just going to lock it to dwarves

you still need a reagent blacklist

oranges wrote:you still need a reagent blacklist

missing the point, watch and learn

Only Dwarves should be making Dwarf quality weapons

Goofball already stated that he will lock it to dwarves - a good decision.

I hope it doesnt lock ALL of blacksmithing behind dwarves, just the non-metal chems. because honestly the blacksmithing system is kinda fun to have on the station, pity the armor doesnt work on humans.

iamgoofball wrote:

oranges wrote:you still need a reagent blacklist

missing the point, watch and learn

here's the deal u slip and slide on this banana peel

For your new wall carving bman, i've made a more plain carved wall sprite.

plain smooth rock.dmi: https://file.house/2_NO.dmi

Black powder boomhammer when

Why do plump helmets give ale and not wine? This ruins my immersion.

Making brewables like that give out a new subset of drinks might be a alternative to squeezing the in the reagent method we have now, since poisoned ale (COUGH AMINATA ALE) is super potent toxic and it can be made using tribal crafting & weeds easily. Even if you are not a dwarf, it will kill a human extremely fast due to combined alcohol & poisoning and be undetectable for the burst of aminata toxin at the end inbetween being very very drunk.

> Cider (fruits), ale (most plants, wheat or hops), wine (some fruits), bitter (everything unconventional since medicinal plants and junk is used in bitter)

A potential exploit is making a deathnettle or nettle ale sword without a grinder in which to burn people with, or to use it as a improvised grinder (a item that doesn't exist and surely we can do better by using querns as grinders)

quern mill.dmi https://file.house/Uopu.dmi
dwarven ale goblet.dmi https://file.house/LLLW.dmi

FantasticFwoosh wrote:Making brewables like that give out a new subset of drinks might be a alternative to squeezing the in the reagent method we have now, since poisoned ale (COUGH AMINATA ALE) is super potent toxic and it can be made using tribal crafting & weeds easily. Even if you are not a dwarf, it will kill a human extremely fast due to combined alcohol & poisoning and be undetectable for the burst of aminata toxin at the end inbetween being very very drunk.

Hiding poison via a custom ale brew is intentional.

iamgoofball wrote:

oranges wrote:you still need a reagent blacklist

missing the point, watch and learn

missing getting your pr merged, watch and learn

oranges wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:

oranges wrote:you still need a reagent blacklist

missing the point, watch and learn

missing getting your pr merged, watch and learn

What would I even blacklist

It honestly be easier to whitelist, rather than go through every chem in the game that doesn't do anything externally.

FantasticFwoosh wrote:It honestly be easier to whitelist, rather than go through every chem in the game that doesn't do anything externally.

No.

oranges wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:

oranges wrote:you still need a reagent blacklist

missing the point, watch and learn

missing getting your pr merged, watch and learn

We need the dwarf ghost role to be true to the game but also playable by everyone's standards, a large task but some concessions have already been made & are expected.

Don't sink the project by having design lead total stubbornness goof.

iamgoofball wrote: What would I even blacklist

Whitelist metals, glass probably (however you might want to get glass, sand + smelter = liquid glass?) and acids and some other things you know are worthwhile as generic offensive external chems.

Spray tan swords for example being a novelty application.

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> If you want to find a way to inject chemicals into each other instead providing the chem sword is nerfed, why not just make reagent tipped arrows?

The dwarf portal doesn't bring up a confirmation prompt when you click on it right now, it should probably have one.

Some more things.

Dwarf crossbow.dmi: https://file.house/6j8I.dmi
Royal Sceptre.dmi: https://file.house/8jCR.dmi

Goof's gone off the deep end and closed the PR: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/ ... 1105560275

He's posted some interesting name and image changes to the OP.

Well he got rid of it but he posted a gotse image in the OP.

He didn't get rid of it, I removed it.

I'm ready to get back to rolling for click on ui elements and mAke bars go up so i can mKe sprireaz turn vetyical faster

As someone said elsewhere, there is currently a problem with coders trying to push their own special gamemode within the framework of the game, even when such mode simply doesn't fit and requires obscene amount of snowflaking and tweaks to the rest of the game to be viable. Example, gang requires sec to be removed, no bombs, everyone needs to have an objective and so on. This is a failed approach, and the reason why we don't have xeno mode: if you want to play xeno mode, you go to CM, where the whole game is tailored around the specific thing.

Lavaland, however, is a clean slate, where everything can happen. It allows coders to place their own unique, self-sufficient gamemode without restrictions, entirely contained within lavaland. This is why dorfs work and players like playing as them. The problem arises when dorf stuff spills into the main game, such as blacksmithing giving assistants cheap e-swords that fit in backpacks or infinite healing wands. Once you fix this and make it limited to dorfs, the mode will be once again separated from the main game and there will be no reason to complain.

I told you to fix the reagent​ swords but you didn't listen.

Grazyn wrote: Once you fix this and make it limited to dorfs, the mode will be once again separated from the main game and there will be no reason to complain.

Even doing that won't help, I think. People will just bumrush to find dwarves like they do every round and then 'trade' with them to get these items or get them to work on the station. Synthflesh/Strange Reagent Swords completely removes the need for Medbay. Not to mention good luck ever killing a Megafauna as a non-Dwarf, as of now they rush it with their near-infinite respawns and manage to kill it with overwhelming numbers. In a single 30-minute round they killed Bubblegum and two Ash Drakes. With shovels. Just regular shovels.

Segmented wrote:

Grazyn wrote: Once you fix this and make it limited to dorfs, the mode will be once again separated from the main game and there will be no reason to complain.

Even doing that won't help, I think. People will just bumrush to find dwarves like they do every round and then 'trade' with them to get these items or get them to work on the station. Synthflesh/Strange Reagent Swords completely removes the need for Medbay. Not to mention good luck ever killing a Megafauna as a non-Dwarf, as of now they rush it with their near-infinite respawns and manage to kill it with overwhelming numbers. In a single 30-minute round they killed Bubblegum and two Ash Drakes. With shovels. Just regular shovels.

It's not a problem as long as dwarves are required for blacksmithing. Right now any greyshirt can have his own forge shitting out endgame weapons every round. Dwarven fortress isn't even a guaranteed spawn in lavaland.
Dwarf zerg rush only happens now that respawn cooldown is broken and there's no limit to population, sometimes you get the 10-minute timer, sometimes you get infinite respawns. Once it's fixed, killing megas won't be that easy for dorfs.

Goof is aware of those issues and is currently working around the clock to fix them.

Somebody stop me im a crazed sprite fly tipper.

brooms.dmi https://file.house/fbNI.dmi
fancy dwarf scroll.dmi https://file.house/Nr1M.dmi
pigtail harvestable.dmi https://file.house/YJr0.dmi
pigtail plant.dmi https://file.house/s5mF.dmi

Anybody got any pointers where the held energy crossbow sprites are?

Id rather keep these seperate, sorry people for the bumpy ride.

mycellium-pigtail.dmi https://file.house/n07X.dmi
dwarven bed.dmi https://file.house/SEf1.dmi
dwarf-room.dmi https://file.house/vqYJ.dmi
spinning wheel.dmi https://file.house/d1go.dmi

Time for a wall art exhibit.

dwarf_chiselled.dmi https://file.house/njxZ.dmi
gargoyle_chiselled.dmi https://file.house/ryN6.dmi
helga_urist_chiselled.dmi https://file.house/Ikz-.dmi
tower_chiselled.dmi https://file.house/djyK.dmi
uboa_chiselled.dmi https://file.house/3QgC.dmi
urist_woz_chiselled.dmi https://file.house/LX4s.dmi

Obviously horrible ideas for dorfs

Super fun events for reaching certain populations

1. Spawn a snowflaked megafauna that will automatically target the portal if not disturbed, basically a megabeast and basically endgame

2. A bunch of dorfs/elves/humans tasked to siege the fort and kill the portal (with a custom portal pinpointer + lava bridges/boats)

3. A highly contagious disease starts off in a dorf (side effect of uncleaniness?)

4. Skills, butcher faster each time you butcher, do more damage to monsters only (no 1 hiting humans) the more times you hit them, same with ranged (and ranged is pretty expensive)

5. beauty of the room (diamond statues, something, happiness?)

6. Madness, a dorf (that is made obvious hes mad) will get free reign to kill any dorf he says (becomes an antagonist that's very obvious)

7. Artifacts (don't know how but oh well)

On the subject of adamantite and trying to simulate the "clowns" that pour out when you mine it in dwarf fortress.

Why not just have mining adamantite spawn a tendril and 3 or 4 mobs. It would be like the "circus" coming to town to feed the dwarves "delicious cotton candy"

or you could have it spawn actual clowns, to take the DF meta joke to the logical conclusion.

>mine addy ore
>50 clowns swarm out like a cluwnbomb

Jesus christ how horrifying.

Also mining adamantine releasing FUN would be better if it wasn't just randomly distributed like any other ore, albeit somewhat rarer.
Atleast in DF you actually need to dig into the depths to reach the stuff.

Double bonus points: in DF Hell is sealed in with Slade, and and the odd pit of magma/adamantine vein.
This could be directly applied to Lava land and the necropolis - which is sealed with an impenetrable layer of whatever that stone is called in game.
What if Dorfs could find the odd vein of adamantine that runs through it, with a whole horde of FUN on the other end?