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FantasticFwoosh wrote:> Xenos wait around the perimiter of arrivals to throw facehuggers to new latejoi hosts so they can join the xeno collective for free antag (or expect to kill/be killed by ERT)

Wjohn wrote:Lol git gud, i know earlygame is boring so i want to add TWO fullgrown xenos/or larva so it can end the round faster!! Meanwhile the queen which isn't even the annoying part sits immobile dropping eggs from space, whilst also i contradict/admit to myself that they hard to kill without GIT GUD gearchecks

FantasticFwoosh wrote: - Suggestion forum is THIS way

FantasticFwoosh wrote:But instead just wall it in and keep the xeno empire going forever.

- End your own round as a meme conversion antag, what a meme

Lumbermancer wrote:I've played xeno for the first time in a while, and I must ask, who decided to make them run at sanic speeds? It's fucked up. I could just run around the escape shuttle with 5 people trying to hit me to no avail.

iamgoofball wrote:come on folks lets be real here

shitposting aside we still only have these copyright infringing fetish fuel monsters because our art lead jerks it to them

they're not going away because he'd quit if we remove them, so we're stuck with them

PKPenguin321 wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:come on folks lets be real here

shitposting aside we still only have these copyright infringing fetish fuel monsters because our art lead jerks it to them

they're not going away because he'd quit if we remove them, so we're stuck with them

but i think they're actually fun though and so do a lot of the players :V

Armhulen wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:come on folks lets be real here

shitposting aside we still only have these copyright infringing fetish fuel monsters because our art lead jerks it to them

they're not going away because he'd quit if we remove them, so we're stuck with them

but i think they're actually fun though and so do a lot of the players :V

Spiders do what they do but better

PKPenguin321 wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:come on folks lets be real here

shitposting aside we still only have these copyright infringing fetish fuel monsters because our art lead jerks it to them

they're not going away because he'd quit if we remove them, so we're stuck with them

but i think they're actually fun though and so do a lot of the players :V

WJohnston wrote:yeah, and what do you call meteors or blobs or radiation storms or spiders?

these also kill huge parts of the crew. whether they be given to players or not (blob vs meteors).

i dont think anyone should have a problem with side antags or side events that can potentially destroy the current round, because clearly we still have a lot of them. this IS a chaos simulator, get used to it.

PKPenguin321 wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:come on folks lets be real here

shitposting aside we still only have these copyright infringing fetish fuel monsters because our art lead jerks it to them

they're not going away because he'd quit if we remove them, so we're stuck with them

but i think they're actually fun though and so do a lot of the players :V

WJohnston wrote:it might just be SUPERBLY bad luck but i swear that these things are actually targeted at you. i'd need someone to look into the code to see if that's actually the case or not.

Thunder11 wrote:Oh is THAT why rods that come in diagonally inevitably make a sudden 45 degree turn halfway through the station?

FantasticFwoosh wrote: I swear meteors have directly targeted me in the HOP office before, i had two Tunguska meteors dive for me in the same round.

Lumbermancer wrote:An idea to nerf xeno, not sure if it could be coded. They shouldn't be able to see characters behind the walls like therm-g's do, instead they should just see nondescript pheromone silhouette (similar to drone sight), like real xeno do in real video games.

• Conversion
• side antag
• Created by an event or by xenobio (vs miners finding xenos)
• Round ending
  
  But have the upside of...
• No stun spam combat, better combat in general with poison hit and run and different styles of hunting with each spider
• Counters
• Easier to make nests, which spiders don't have to stick to but has a nice bonus
• No fetish stuff here
• No copyright stuff here
• Lets goofball sleep at night

Scott wrote:Were spiders nerfed super hard since they became a playable? Because last time I checked they overpowered the crew 100% of the time.

FantasticFwoosh wrote:^^^ to armhulens point

Spiders are under maintained with terrible codeNot my fault they are not maintained (recent fix of how re-webbing a person allowed you to spam eggs because a exploit was never patched up), while xenos are obsessively over-maintainedYeah, we can alter xenos literally forever but they are still going to be strong, fixing spiders is as easy as properly giving them UI buttons rather than having to work over the 'Spider' tab, and reworking the mechanicsYees for UI and stuff but the mechanics are mostly okay. I kinda played around with the idea of planting webbing floor which would make nests much cooler but we do not want a repeat of xenos, the nest should be optional.

- Spiders are simple mobs and not carbon with their own suitable loot table, eggs foodtype is already dropped by spiders as well as legs & meat, we can probably find ways to make clearing out spiders profitable besides eating them. Yeah sure, i mean survival is a pretty big reward for killing them off since they are a round ender but hey i agree

- Story and narrative wise if you look at the native place where Aliens exist, they are not in the film Alien & Alien 3 onwards designed to be 'beatable' and more as silent solo antagonists that pick off the crew 1 by 1 (given that a entire crew cannot defeat 1 double esworder without a lucky circumstance) wheras the film ALIENS is a enjoyable but lore fallible movie where a heavily armed & gearchecked PMC blow away xenos into gunk shattering the illusion of the first movie of a invincible antagonist akin to what happens on Colonial Marines, it might be the wrong format for us.His goof is sweaty, knees weak, fetish is heavy, vomit on the sweater already, copyright spaghetti

Spiderlings reportedly are as structurally strong as webs due to poor coding. Yeah holy shit you hit them and they make metal noises??

> On xeno balance im leaning towards whether we should revert & remove carbon based xeno mobs entirely (carbon Drone, Queen, Sentinel) that promote base building and instead manufacture the xeno hunter to be much more reliable and balanced as a antagonist that acts by itself with the same kind of role as a Ninja but somehow objectify that the hunter needs to consume/kill X amount of people to greentext given that it will trigger a shuttle call if panicking crew doesn't do it itself. See beloy

Sligneris's suggestion of a hunter based mode would be a good idea to model this on, highpop drop 3 hunters during a "Bughunt" round and 1 hunter as a summoned admin button antagonist. Push the facehuggers/regular drone etc mobs either out of the code or so far away, nowhere near to close to the current events of the round and only in references so they don't cause such a shitstorm. I kinda like it if we are not removing them

1 hunter antagonist that gets cut into a million pieces for tech, brains, organs plus a 1 time selloff of 15000 point hide when put through a meat processor that can also be caught & contained inside xenobio seems like a good trade rather than marking the station for death every time someone finds a facehugger like what used to happen on asteroid.

Scott wrote:Assumptions. Spiders were balanced for never being player controlled, they were NPCs so they required some overpoweredness to balance their lack of intelligence, then someone thought it was a good idea to make them player controllable without a re-balance.