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Nabski wrote: The Suppressor? - I feel like I should look for the how often is this purchased stat, but it seems bad since it makes it into a larger item after.

captain sawrge wrote:That said, objectives are boring and inconsequential so what else can traitors do?

Muncher21 wrote:I don't know shit but here we go

- Powerfist
Never seen this used, and according to the wiki it's bugged anyways. Falls under the just another muderbone tool category
it's an air powered esword, better if you can get them to hit walls but worse in other cases, eeeeeh
- Various 10mm ammo
I've heard in ghost chat this is bugged/broken? If so it should be removed, or fixed and re-added. Armor piercing rounds is a cool idea for hardsuit wearing targets.
fix it then this is okay
- Martial Arts Scroll
So expensive, never seen used maybe it's secret op?
hahahahahaahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahahah ringing togopal haoaahoahahaa
- Box of Throwing Weapons
Bad/neverused
this weapon is fun and strong
- Toy Gun with Riot Darts
Probably unpopular opinion, but I'm not a fan of this item. Turning a fake-traitor weapon back into a real traitor weapon is a weird concept, and it's too strong for it's cost. Also off tone for a terrorist organization.
yeah no bueno
- Pizza Bomb
Dumb gimmick/never used
i saw it used yesterday it's hilarious when it actually fucking happens, should probably limit it to the chef though to be safe
- Universal Suppressor
Maybe turn into suppressed 10mm gun?
keep it for tacticool nerds
- Dehydrated Space Carp
Never used/shit
yep its shit
- Syndicate Surgery Duffelbag
Should only be an option if your task requires it (de-brain etc.)
it should come with a syndicate shell
- Artificial Intelligence Detector
Never used. It does fill a niche though, so maybe keep it.
keep it
- Power Beacon
Things it effects aren't in game regularly. Remove until they are.
remove it
- Radioactive Microlaser
Shit/never used
it has uses
- Codespeak Manual
Obvious valid, should just use Syndicate Encryption Key for collaboration costs the same and is less detectable.
no shut up this is cool
- His Grace
People hate it but it's job locked so meh.
remove it
- Syndicate Briefcase Full of Cash
Wish this was used more, but it isn't and never will be, so it's just bloat
it's great for cargo shut up

Nabski wrote: The Suppressor? - I feel like I should look for the how often is this purchased stat, but it seems bad since it makes it into a larger item after.

The suppressor is underrated. I buy it a lot and the the sounds difference + no messages on fire is good. It could just be made into a suppressed pistol item though.

Armhulen wrote:

Muncher21 wrote:I don't know shit but here we go

I hate the idea of things being removed.

Nabski wrote:

Armhulen wrote:

Muncher21 wrote:I don't know shit but here we go

I hate the idea of things being removed.

Nabski wrote:

Armhulen wrote:

Muncher21 wrote:I don't know shit but here we go

I hate the idea of things being removed.

Kor wrote:I could let you waste time making a PR I know in advance I will dislike and then close it if that would make you feel better.

Should I link you a thread were I argued the same things with different people to show this isnt about you or would it be a waste of time?

• Powerfist - Critically underused, essentially a worse version of a Energy Sword.
• Martial Arts Scroll - I personally dislike this item since its a hard counter to any ranged attack, could be kept in but I think it toes the line between useful and murderboning aid tool
• Poison Kit - How to instantly kill anyone within one second. Enough poison to kill anyone instantly with no need for outside help or at least risk. There's a difference between shooting someone which is loud versus stabbing them with a insta-death cocktail.
• Pizza Bomb - Almost useless, at best a Chef only item.
• Stimpack - Useless.
• Fake Nuke Disk - Either needs a utter rework to make it viable, or just gut it as its a waste of space.
• Power Beacon - Best either removed or made a Engineering traitor item only. Most of the time you won't get a Sing or Tesla to use this with unless you expend a lot of effort to sabotage the SM Engine in the correct way.
• Radioactive Microlaser - Never seen it used, and from what I can tell its pretty bad as a weapon.
• His Grace - See above posts as to why this is bad.

Martial Arts Scroll - I personally dislike this item since its a hard counter to any ranged attack, could be kept in but I think it toes the line between useful and murderboning aid tool

Armhulen wrote:epen should be upped to 20 damage, really. Consider the following: Grab a fire extinguisher, same damage for !FREE!

PKPenguin321 wrote:it also has 35 throwforce and guaranteed to embed fun fact

Armhulen wrote: hahahahahaahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahahah ringing togopal haoaahoahahaa

Super Aggro Crag wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:it also has 35 throwforce and guaranteed to embed fun fact

Was this always a feature or was it added later

Muncher21 wrote:Players will always use the best option, unless there is a very good reason not to. Many of the items mentioned do not have a good enough reason to use them. Using the power first as an example, the only difference from the Esword is pushing people away and doing a little less damage, both of which are a negative. Neither of those differences are a good enough reason to use the power first over the esword. It doesn't create any new situations, it's just a different item to hit someone with.

bandit wrote: The uplink is also hugely cumbersome and hard to navigate even for people who've played 5ever; I can't imagine what new players think of it. It is redundant, with several items serving multiple functions. Not all of it see use. Paring it down would not only help with all the above but would help the items that are there get improved

Muncher21 wrote:

bandit wrote: The uplink is also hugely cumbersome and hard to navigate even for people who've played 5ever; I can't imagine what new players think of it. It is redundant, with several items serving multiple functions. Not all of it see use. Paring it down would not only help with all the above but would help the items that are there get improved

Name one time you've ever seen a traitor use the power first for something other then a palate swamped esword. I've never even seen the item in game. All it does is take up a space on the menu and make it even more confusing.

PKPenguin321 wrote:it also has 35 throwforce and guaranteed to embed fun fact

burts wrote: Well, sorry but if you are unable to navigate the menu you have other problems, because the menu itself is quite simple and i am able to navigate it very well. I just gave an idea of how to use the power fist for interesting purposes, the fact that you dont want to pull it off doesnt mean other people should be prevented from using this item. Infact next time im traitor im going to use the power fist to push people into disposal pipes just to prove you wrong specifically.

Muncher21 wrote:

burts wrote: Well, sorry but if you are unable to navigate the menu you have other problems, because the menu itself is quite simple and i am able to navigate it very well. I just gave an idea of how to use the power fist for interesting purposes, the fact that you dont want to pull it off doesnt mean other people should be prevented from using this item. Infact next time im traitor im going to use the power fist to push people into disposal pipes just to prove you wrong specifically.

The traitor uplink is poorly organized and difficult to find items quickly. This is an indisputable fact. Just because you have used it enough to get used to it does not mean it is well designed or easy to use. This is a common misconception of UX design.

If your only reason to use an item is to prove that someone uses it, then that's a clear indicator the item is not a good traitor item. You should be using to powerfist because it's a fun and interesting item, not because a feedback thread reminded you it existed.

Steelpoint wrote: that takes a long time to detonate

Muncher21 wrote:Players will always use the best option, unless there is a very good reason not to. Many of the items mentioned do not have a good enough reason to use them. Using the power first as an example, the only difference from the Esword is pushing people away and doing a little less damage, both of which are a negative. Neither of those differences are a good enough reason to use the power first over the esword. It doesn't create any new situations, it's just a different item to hit someone with.