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You know what's funny? The current armor vest is the old armor vest that was introduced during last change, and ultimately rejected. I have it in my avatar, which I also created to show disdain towards the uniform changes that you tried to push. And now we came around in full circle.

TechnoAlchemist wrote:The pr was positively received and making a forum thread will, as it always has, result in shit flinging and vocal minority issues and bickering

That's a really cute shifting of the blame. How about you make a thread yourself next time, so people could voice their opinions BEFORE you drop the pr. That should somewhat reduce the bickering.

That vest in your avatar was Paprika's doing, not mine.

Over the last two days most security players seem to really like the new change.

I've yet to see a negative response.

I think that this thread is kinda proof that there is a negative response. However, overall I've seen the response on the server to be rather pleasant.

I will have a server poll put up after all the initial kneejerk anger dies down and take it from there.

TechnoAlchemist wrote:I think that this thread is kinda proof that there is a negative response. However, overall I've seen the response on the server to be rather pleasant.

I will have a server poll put up after all the initial kneejerk anger dies down and take it from there.

I've yet to see a single PR Discussion thread on the forums where the same group of people don't bitch at each other about it.

They're sometimes on different sides of the issue but it's the exact same people fighting, it doesn't even matter what the PR Is. Just kinda seems like you bitch at eachothers work to spite the other.

CosmicScientist wrote:

Tornadium wrote:snip
I've yet to see a single PR Discussion thread on the forums where the same group of people don't bitch at each other about it.

They're sometimes on different sides of the issue but it's the exact same people fighting, it doesn't even matter what the PR Is. Just kinda seems like you bitch at eachothers work to spite the other.

It's probably called having opinions, reputations and opinions on the reputations of others. At least this isn't a forum where the goers are faceless, in large number and enjoy debating (yelling at one another) what barely passes for politics.

Also you should look through a more PR discussion threads. They're not all whiny. You're probably just thinking about security-centric ones that tend to change the flavour of the job through adding something and removing another. I'm pretty certain most PRs that are just additive rather than shifting onto a (mostly) parallel design get decent responses. Oh and finally, fanning the flames doesn't help when others are already on edge.

If I was talking about only sec PRs I would have said only sec PRs.

I deliberately said it doesn't matter what the PR is for a reason.

Only a sith deals in absolutes tornadium

Tornadium wrote:Over the last two days most security players seem to really like the new change.

I've yet to see a negative response.

I popped on to check it out and thought it was slightly worse than what was there before, but to be honest it's just a sprite and I can't bring myself to care much about it.

I expect that's most players. Everyone can have an opinion on sprites but so long as I can basically distinguish a person in one job from a person in another it's mostly fine.

Bring back the based red.

I don't want assistants' blood noticeably staining my clothes.

It can't be reverted a github circle jerk gave him party poppers you can't beat that!

Incomptinence wrote:It can't be reverted a github circle jerk gave him party poppers you can't beat that!

I opened a revert PR not because I have a strong opinion on this (this whole thing is just bikeshedding and I feel bad for all of you) but so that you guys will calm down about "not even having the option to revert."

https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/17370

Incomptinence wrote:It can't be reverted a github circle jerk gave him party poppers you can't beat that!

Why you gotta be like this

Listen. How about this: Make jumpsuits rotate randomly with every round. This way you can have your ugly snowflakes in, and uniforms will remain...uniform.

Is that an acceptable compromise?

You're being really unpleasant and it makes me not want to look at any of your posts

If people aren't reading Git for what's going on that's their own fucking fault. Takes literally 2 seconds to make an account and give feedback.

TechnoAlchemist wrote:You're being really unpleasant

>trying to reach out and please everyone
>being unpleasant

O-ok s-senpai.

Steelpoint wrote:How many people are on Github PR's versus the more visible, and easier to keep track of, forums?

I just want to say how completely wrong you are if you think that it's easier going to a separate website to look through forums to find a thread that can have multiple pages to read through, or may not even exist yet vs. scrolling down on the PR you're already looking at to see the comments people have made.

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Incomptinence wrote:It can't be reverted a github circle jerk gave him party poppers you can't beat that!

I opened a revert PR not because I have a strong opinion on this (this whole thing is just bikeshedding and I feel bad for all of you) but so that you guys will calm down about "not even having the option to revert."

https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/17370

Just kidding you were right it was closed for being """"kneejerk"""" I guess we really can't revert anything after all

PKPenguin321 wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote: Just kidding you were right it was closed for being """"kneejerk"""" I guess we really can't revert anything after all

its ok pk, goofball is on the task with a solution https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-statio ... -216684888

General consensus is that this change is garbage, and the PR got closed. What now?

Going on what Cheri said...

Back during the sprite war we did come to a consensus that a good solution would be allowing the round start HoS to set his departments overall security theme for the round.

So a HoS could chose to have Red Sec, or Grey Sec or whatever other variations of Sec as the color for the round. If there was no HoS then the game would either pick a default color (red) or just pick one at random.

This system was also discussed into being used with other departments.

wouldn't it be easier to have some kind of loadout system in player prefs

>Shit change is pushed through
>Community backlash
>Coders saying it's their fault for not complaining on git
>Someone eventually steps up and puts up a revert
>Revert is immediately closed because m-muh kneejerk, m-muh codebaby
>Community all yells what the fuck
>Revert is put up again
>Shit change is reverted after lengthy delay
>Go back to one after a week

THE CYCLE CONTINUES

Nobody is lying when they say it takes three seconds to look on git and give feedback

So do that

Zilenan91 wrote:People have the option of getting on github and checking out what changes are going on the server and they don't take it and get angry when things they don't like get merged. Speak up.

Every time I go on github to whine about shit they tell me to go on the forums and do it.

Make up your minds, coders.

Zilenan91 wrote:Nobody is lying when they say it takes three seconds to look on git and give feedback

So do that

Have you considered that not everyone wants to do this, myself included, but also don't want to have to constantly deal with shitty changed being out through?

Feedback on the forums is or should be just as valid as bitching on the git

The forums are simply better for feedback and discussion than Github is.

Github revolves around shitposting meme images and discussing the code changes.

I've personally always put up a forum thread for any major changes I've ever made, from the sec sprites to guns or even the change to the shuttles. To see someone merge a controversial, both historically and presently, PR within 24 hours with no forum feedback thread just seems disingenuous.

Why is it that ""feedback"" on Github is more valid than feedback on the forums, tripple so when maintainers oft tell people to take their feedback to the FORUMS over Github?

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Also I disagree on allowing individual officer to select their own color scheme, that would be inconsistant. It would be better off with the HoS.

Alright, here's an idea: Nanotrasen contracts security out to several private firms. Each firm has strengths and weaknesses in their loadouts, in addition to cosmetic differences. At the start of the round, HoS picks which firm he represents.

nudecurity is a go

Nudecurity

-Can't wear jumpsuits
+Start with laser miniguns

Balanced

Have it be a config option for Head of Security players, make the default the red casual suits if no HoS exists.

Nudecurity

Armory is empty
Brig starts with a T4 autocloner in the equipment room

Zilenan91 wrote:Nudecurity

Armory is empty
Brig starts with a T4 autocloner in the equipment room

Luke Cox wrote:General consensus is that this change is garbage, and the PR got closed. What now?

General player consensus on the server has been very positive over the last few days since it was introduced.

Seen a lot of people say they prefer the new change.

So i would hardly call it garbage.

woah man don't disrupt the forum circle jerk with your facts and realities.

oranges wrote:woah man don't disrupt the forum circle jerk with your facts and realities.

Incomptenence is a circlejerk of one. Which just makes him a jerk.

People who don't like it based on this feedback thread
Lumbermancer
SaC
Saegrimar
Demonfiren
ShadowMemeiotion
Luke Cox
Stealpoint
DavidChan
Cosmic Meme
Wyzack

Total: 10


10 Explosion hooray emojiis on the PR

Illuminati has 10 letters

10 out of average 100 players = 1/10th

1 tenth

Iluminati symbol has 1 eye.

These players == illuminati confirmed.

But for real, I was thinking one firm has excellent riot control, one is great at non-lethal detainment, one has a ton of ion gear, one is our standard, jack-of-all-trades sec, etc.

oranges wrote:These players == illuminati confirmed.

Actually, no, I'm part of the interdimensional lizard conspiracy.

DemonFiren wrote:

oranges wrote:These players == illuminati confirmed.

Actually, no, I'm part of the interdimensional lizard conspiracy.

There was actually a merge between the Illuminati and the lizard conspiracy a while back, you should have gotten the memo, I would check your junk mail.

Steelpoint wrote:

DemonFiren wrote:

oranges wrote:These players == illuminati confirmed.

Actually, no, I'm part of the interdimensional lizard conspiracy.

There was actually a merge between the Illuminati and the lizard conspiracy a while back, you should have gotten the memo, I would check your junk mail.

There's a reason it's called junk mail.

It's a compliment

oranges wrote:ShadowMemeiotion

Not even close to my username/10

I don't like using github cuz its 85% goofball shitposting as opposed to 65% on the forums

This grey jumpsuit for officers are ugly yo, the red one is better

Did Techno really have to start this shit up again...seriously, we went over this last time. The Grey sec jumpsuit theme looks retarded. The sec armour is ugly aswell.

pls

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At this point red is just a iconic color.

Its been almost ten days, I can move to put up a revert PR. Or we can do a in game poll, a forum poll or a flame war on a Github PR and subsequent linked thread.

I still really dislike these grey uniforms and I regret setting these up as a compromise sprite a year ago.

An in game poll would probably be the best way to gauge player opinion of these. I think they look like garbage too but if the majority wants garbage we cannot exactly beat good taste into them over the internet. It really would be a shame to lose our iconic redshirts though