Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]

[oranges]

Bottom post of the previous page:

The actual answer is to replace the holodeck with Remies VR world and VR sleepers as that would prevent any items or objects being transferred to the station at all.

[Dr_bee]

This is still a problem, murdering the entire crew, trapping new arrivals on the shuttle lest they face death, and making boring as fuck rounds for 50 people, and occasionally crashing the server.

For Christ's sake someone please fix it, this is becoming too fucking common.

[Remie Richards]

The actual answer is to replace the holodeck with Remies VR world and VR sleepers as that would prevent any items or objects being transferred to the station at all.

this tbh.

I had even started work on some VR games to play, like a rip-off of cod zombies, it was an excuse to get VR sleepers used + to add simple dismemberment to simple animals (>she's doing it -agaiiiiiin-)

[Jacough]

Kind of reminds me of when a traitor fucked the entire crew by venting super heated air from the turbine generator into the air loop, burning a huge number of people to death without so much as a single flame in the halls.

Except more hilarious and creative

[Lazengann]

The actual answer is to replace the holodeck with Remies VR world and VR sleepers as that would prevent any items or objects being transferred to the station at all.

this tbh.

I had even started work on some VR games to play, like a rip-off of cod zombies, it was an excuse to get VR sleepers used + to add simple dismemberment to simple animals (>she's doing it -agaiiiiiin-)

I would appreciate VR megafauna battles for practice

[Bluespace]

We've had people emagging open all the doors and then just turning on the freon holodeck simulation to gradually flood it.

[MrEousTranger]

I just dealt with freon for the first time.


I HATE IT

God you just freeze anyone and anything that moves.

[Remie Richards]

The actual answer is to replace the holodeck with Remies VR world and VR sleepers as that would prevent any items or objects being transferred to the station at all.

this tbh.

I had even started work on some VR games to play, like a rip-off of cod zombies, it was an excuse to get VR sleepers used + to add simple dismemberment to simple animals (>she's doing it -agaiiiiiin-)

I would appreciate VR megafauna battles for practice

not a bad idea.

[Cobby]

The actual answer is to replace the holodeck with Remies VR world and VR sleepers as that would prevent any items or objects being transferred to the station at all.

this tbh.

I had even started work on some VR games to play, like a rip-off of cod zombies, it was an excuse to get VR sleepers used + to add simple dismemberment to simple animals (>she's doing it -agaiiiiiin-)

I would appreciate VR megafauna battles for practice

not a bad idea.

What would dark souls be if you could fight bosses without losing any souls in a "practice area" you can fast travel to from any bonfire?

I think giving people a way of learning the moveset of the bosses via experience with no actual consequence is not really a good idea tbh.

[Remie Richards]

The actual answer is to replace the holodeck with Remies VR world and VR sleepers as that would prevent any items or objects being transferred to the station at all.

this tbh.

I had even started work on some VR games to play, like a rip-off of cod zombies, it was an excuse to get VR sleepers used + to add simple dismemberment to simple animals (>she's doing it -agaiiiiiin-)

I would appreciate VR megafauna battles for practice

not a bad idea.

What would dark souls be if you could fight bosses without losing any souls in a "practice area" you can fast travel to from any bonfire?

I think giving people a way of learning the moveset of the bosses via experience with no actual consequence is not really a good idea tbh.

they can already doing it by spawning exact sets of gear, and bosses in whatever settings they want on local copies of the game.
Not to mention they don't have to be the EXACT BOSS in the VR, they can be dumbed down, only contain half of the combat patterns, crap AI, etc, which would be how I'd do it.

[Haevacht]

The actual answer is to replace the holodeck with Remies VR world and VR sleepers as that would prevent any items or objects being transferred to the station at all.

this tbh.

I had even started work on some VR games to play, like a rip-off of cod zombies, it was an excuse to get VR sleepers used + to add simple dismemberment to simple animals (>she's doing it -agaiiiiiin-)

I would appreciate VR megafauna battles for practice

not a bad idea.

What would dark souls be if you could fight bosses without losing any souls in a "practice area" you can fast travel to from any bonfire?

I think giving people a way of learning the moveset of the bosses via experience with no actual consequence is not really a good idea tbh.

they can already doing it by spawning exact sets of gear, and bosses in whatever settings they want on local copies of the game.
Not to mention they don't have to be the EXACT BOSS in the VR, they can be dumbed down, only contain half of the combat patterns, crap AI, etc, which would be how I'd do it.

If bosses get faster/get more moves when weakened, this could be removed from the VR version and be the main difference.

[lzimann]

Removing holodeck entirely in favor of moving it to a VR environment is probably the best course, not only you kill the buggy ass holodeck but also open the possibility of doing much more interactive/fun designs.

[Wyzack]

This makes me a little sad just because the holomedbay was kinda cool, but overall i think Remie's VR idea is way better and can't wait to see it

[kevinz000]

I like the holodeck better tbh...

[D&B]

The freon floods still kill stations stupidly fast. Not even megafauna on station is that fulminating


Had a round early today where someone flooded and less than 10% of the station remained alive.

[iamgoofball]

this won't be fixed until freeze over because >VR

[Dr_bee]

this won't be fixed until freeze over because >VR

removals are allowed during feature freeze.

seriously, this is still a fucking problem, someone either remove freon or remove the fucking holodeck winter wonderland and the problem is SOLVED, stop overthinking this and FIX IT. worry about making a better fix when rounds arent being ruined at the 5 minute mark by inescapable meme gas.

[D&B]

This meme or freeze seems never ending when every refactor creates 15 more bugs.

It's like the nurse spiders of coding

[Yakumo_Chen]

Aieet still floods freeon every shift and only plays Atmos to grief or antag [flood], it's getting obnoxious

[FantasticFwoosh]

Is there a actual purpose for it with the new SM engine gas mechanics im forgetting?

> Apparently but its more fun to meme with, since im pretty sure some engineers are oblivious to it entirely or only want MAX DANGEROUS SETTINGS with the current spate of round after round failures of arguably the safest engine we've ever had.

[Screemonster]

Is there a actual purpose for it with the new SM engine gas mechanics im forgetting?

> Apparently but its more fun to meme with, since im pretty sure some engineers are oblivious to it entirely or only want MAX DANGEROUS SETTINGS with the current spate of round after round failures of arguably the safest engine we've ever had.

Given some of the pushback I've seen elsewhere (like people who can't into piping loudly insist that the singulo is better even on maps where literally all you have to do to set the SM up is dump some gas into the pipes and fire the emitter a half-dozen times) I wouldn't be surprised if people are deliberately fucking it up or refusing to learn just to "prove" the singulo is better.

I've lost count of the number of people who've made one single fuckup and just thrown their hands up and loudly proclaimed that they're giving up and never touching it again and it's too complicated etc etc etc

[FantasticFwoosh]

Old habits die hard i think, usually engineers just make a singulo in the bar or any kind of backyard area for the hell of it. SM isn't as understood as other things, i don't personally know how to contain or maintain a SM or how to stop it exploding but the wiki seems informative enough.

You should really encourage people to read the engine maintenance manuals. https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Guide_to_t ... tion_setup

[DemonFiren]

>tfw sm fetish
feels good man
feels almost robust

[Dr_bee]

It has been nearly a month since this freon meme bullshit started and no one has taken the time to put up a PR fixing this overly disruptive server crashing mess of a feature.

At least put up a damn pull request on git for Christs sake.

[oranges]

You must now put up a freon PR or you're a hypocritical fuck

[Dr_bee]

You must now put up a freon PR or you're a hypocritical fuck

You really want a person who has never touched a single line of code in his life to attempt to change something then sure, time to get a fucking github account.

[DemonFiren]

Orange plays not, he cares not.

[iamgoofball]

Freeze isn't over man

[DemonFiren]

Freeze isn't over man

with freon it never is

[Dr_bee]

Freeze isn't over man

So you dont fix highly disruptive things that are clearly not intended by the developers?

last I checked feature freezes were to fix exploits as well as bugs.

[iamgoofball]

My fix is going to be VR instead of holodeck, I don't want to half ass it.

[Qbopper]

Freeze isn't over man

with freon it never is

HEYOOO

[Screemonster]

You must now put up a freon PR or you're a hypocritical fuck

You really want a person who has never touched a single line of code in his life to attempt to change something then sure, time to get a fucking github account.

EVERYONE MUST DO IT NOW NOW NOW THIS NEEDS DOING IT OR IT'S TERRIBLE SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO THIS

SOMEONE OTHER THAN ME

[Dr_bee]

You must now put up a freon PR or you're a hypocritical fuck

You really want a person who has never touched a single line of code in his life to attempt to change something then sure, time to get a fucking github account.

EVERYONE MUST DO IT NOW NOW NOW THIS NEEDS DOING IT OR IT'S TERRIBLE SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO THIS

SOMEONE OTHER THAN ME

Ive been code diving actually, if someone can point me in the direction of where the holodeck console is in the labyrinth of code ill do a PR. I wanted someone other than me to do it because I know what I am good at and coding in a codebase where I dont know the first thing about how anything works is not one of them. That and I have no experience coding period.

but seriously, what damn folder would it be in?