Escape pods shouldn't exist

tacolizard · Post by **tacolizard** » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:25 pm #285993

They serve no function other than granting powergaming tators their greentext. Even on rounds when evac is a bloodbath, many people still prefer to try to get to the shuttle because it's more fun. Escape pods are just a cheap powergaming tool. Forcing everyone onto the shuttle is a great design idea that forces everyone into close quarters for an end-round climax.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:39 pm #286000

tacolizard wrote:Forcing everyone onto the shuttle is a great design idea that forces everyone into close quarters for an end-round climax.

As opposed to forcing people into a 1x2 tile pod.

christ110 · Post by **christ110** » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:45 pm #286003

Theory, the escape pod should be able to be launched as soon as the shuttle docks, and will not auto-launch with the shuttle.

Post by **Atlanta-Ned** » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:47 pm #286004

bman · Post by **bman** » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:57 pm #286009

Atlanta-Ned wrote:

why would they be salt that escape pods exist?

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:17 pm #286022

bman wrote:
Atlanta-Ned wrote:
why would they be salt that escape pods exist?

Because it's pretty obvious that they're upset that pods prevented them from denying some nerd a green text in a round.

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:27 pm #286027

To be fair, the only reason they're not always preferred over shuttles is because they're boring. Otherwise they're much much safer. I wouldn't mind it if they were more than "shuttle, but usually empty".

BeeSting12 · Post by **BeeSting12** » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:40 pm #286030

You can't deny the hilarity that comes from stuffing nine people in a pod when escape shuttle has been made inaccessible. which reminds me of the time I put a bomb in a smuggler satchel on each pod on detonated them + the shuttle. no escape. it isn't even that hard to prevent traitors to escape, just post a guard on each pod to scan for traitors coming in.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:01 pm #286057

BeeSting12 wrote:You can't deny the hilarity that comes from stuffing nine people in a pod when escape shuttle has been made inaccessible. which reminds me of the time I put a bomb in a smuggler satchel on each pod on detonated them + the shuttle. no escape. it isn't even that hard to prevent traitors to escape, just post a guard on each pod to scan for traitors coming in.

Pretty much this. It's not like there's a lot of pods you need to search.

Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:15 am

But why do the pods even exist in the first place?

Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:20 am

To give people alternate choices for when the main shuttle is getting bombed/eaten by the engine/hijacked/a bloodbath/too noisy or otherwise undesirable. The shuttle is already one of the biggest bloodbaths because it's trivially easy to bomb/set on fire, not everyone wants every round to end like that

onleavedontatme · Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:09 am

It is true that loud antags usually had to face the music round end though and it sucks there isnt such a penalty anymore. The positives probably outweigh the negatives though.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:42 am #286098

Like I said, on Box at least there's only four pods you need to search and if they aren't hiding in the two at arrivals they're probably hiding in the engineering one.

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:57 pm #286424

Qbopper wrote:delet this

thread that is

No, the topic is legit. Mods should delete the shitposts.

The lack of pods WOULD make a difference. It would make antags more aware of remaining hidden if they want to complete their objectives.

The pods trivialize the escape objective traitors have.

Alternatively perhaps the traitor objective could be altered to require escaping on the shuttle?

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:59 pm #286428

imagine if there's only large-ish pods but no shuttle

Post by **Cobby** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:06 pm #286433

friendly reminder that not every traitor has an escape objective so they can easily mem the shuttle, die in the process, and still "win", and now everyone is just kinda lmao'd out of any chance of winning [which doesn't seem very fun]

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:11 pm #286439

ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:friendly reminder that not every traitor has an escape objective so they can easily mem the shuttle, die in the process, and still "win", and now everyone is just kinda lmao'd out of any chance of winning [which doesn't seem very fun]

I don't really see this as an issue since if a traitor wants to do that now he will just bomb the shuttle once its in transit and the result is the same.

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:14 pm #286443

CPTANT wrote:
Qbopper wrote:delet this

thread that is
No, the topic is legit. Mods should delete the shitposts.

The lack of pods WOULD make a difference. It would make antags more aware of remaining hidden if they want to complete their objectives.

The pods trivialize the escape objective traitors have.

Alternatively perhaps the traitor objective could be altered to require escaping on the shuttle?

The implication that tator tots who care about actually escaping wouldn't already just slip into the shuttle largely undetected is laughable.

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:41 pm #286467

It's more about those who cause enough chaos to get set to arrest then disappear in a pod at roundend

Post by **Armhulen** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:43 pm #286468

New sick idea, replace the emergency shuttle with like 20 pods, all can be launched once the shuttle call is up

queue spaceballs escape pod scene

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:49 pm #286470

XDTM wrote:It's more about those who cause enough chaos to get set to arrest then disappear in a pod at roundend

Oh well? The round is over sans three minutes, if you can't catch them all round because you're terrible, what on earth makes you think you can catch them on the shuttle?

Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:51 pm

Shaps-cloud wrote:To give people alternate choices for when the main shuttle is getting bombed/eaten by the engine/hijacked/a bloodbath/too noisy or otherwise undesirable. The shuttle is already one of the biggest bloodbaths because it's trivially easy to bomb/set on fire, not everyone wants every round to end like that

I mean obviously some people are going to avoid the shuttle if it's more dangerous, but isn't danger the whole point of the shuttle to begin with? Wouldn't it be smarter to force people to live dangerously since that's more fun for everyone involved? And if the shuttle's chaos isn't fun for people, then why is it like that?

onleavedontatme · Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:01 pm

Reece wrote:
CPTANT wrote:
Qbopper wrote:delet this

thread that is
No, the topic is legit. Mods should delete the shitposts.

The lack of pods WOULD make a difference. It would make antags more aware of remaining hidden if they want to complete their objectives.

The pods trivialize the escape objective traitors have.

Alternatively perhaps the traitor objective could be altered to require escaping on the shuttle?
The implication that tator tots who care about actually escaping wouldn't already just slip into the shuttle largely undetected is laughable.

They had trouble doing so back when we had no pods.

Granted the shuttle was a single room then and 30 people counted as high pop so there wasnt really a crowd to get lost in like there is now.

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:46 am #286519

Reece wrote:
XDTM wrote:It's more about those who cause enough chaos to get set to arrest then disappear in a pod at roundend
Oh well? The round is over sans three minutes, if you can't catch them all round because you're terrible, what on earth makes you think you can catch them on the shuttle?

No more skulking in maint! It could require the traitors to disguise, hide or just eliminate all threats. Many will hide in plain sight just fine, but it's risky and thus can be thrilling and fun. If there's an option that is always going to be safer they're not going to put themselves at risk.

Post by **Cobby** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:39 am #286532

CPTANT wrote:
ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:friendly reminder that not every traitor has an escape objective so they can easily mem the shuttle, die in the process, and still "win", and now everyone is just kinda lmao'd out of any chance of winning [which doesn't seem very fun]
I don't really see this as an issue since if a traitor wants to do that now he will just bomb the shuttle once its in transit and the result is the same.

Yeah there's nothing stopping a person from escape denying everyone else victory for the sake of just being a dick, but having objectives that let you win for doing that [die glorious] will encourage this behavior since it is a popular [and only!] outlet.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:19 am #286562

>Not sending officers to pods

Jesus Christ people git gud

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:05 pm #286642

Luke Cox wrote:>Not sending officers to pods

Jesus Christ people git gud

That would be a lot more viable if there weren't pods everywhere.

And is camping pods hoping for the odd traitor to appear fun? I would say not particularly.

Is hiding in maint and slipping in a pod 10 seconds before launch being "gud"? Not particularly, in fact its boringly easy.

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:02 pm #286656

CPTANT wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:>Not sending officers to pods

Jesus Christ people git gud
That would be a lot more viable if there weren't pods everywhere.

And is camping pods hoping for the odd traitor to appear fun? I would say not particularly.

Is hiding in maint and slipping in a pod 10 seconds before launch being "gut"? Not particularly, in fact its boringly easy.

Exactly, plus the engineering pod is off-limits for most sec, and sneaking into the shuttle is more fun that going into a pod for the guaranteed win.

And security would know that traitors would have to come to the shuttle, allowing for a last-minute arrest on that elusive traitor, instead of just assuming they're going on a pod anyway and not bothering at all.

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:59 am #286908

I think it would be a worthwhile experiment to remove all escape pods except the ones at arrivals.

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:46 am #286917

I'd do a test where all pods can only go to lavaland with the emergency launch.

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:04 am #286920

XDTM wrote:I'd do a test where all pods can only go to lavaland with the emergency launch.

That would also be interesting. Can pods currently be used to escape the station when it goes delta?

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:21 am #286921

CPTANT wrote:
XDTM wrote:I'd do a test where all pods can only go to lavaland with the emergency launch.

That would also be interesting. Can pods currently be used to escape the station when it goes delta?

Yeah, when it's at least red alert you can early-launch them, making them land in lavaland with a supply of pickaxes and spacesuits. Useful if nuke ops are successful but you want to live. Or to exile heads of staf in rev.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:18 am #286932

XDTM wrote:Or to exile heads of staf in rev.

>implying this ever happens

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:43 am #286934

DemonFiren wrote:
XDTM wrote:Or to exile heads of staf in rev.
>implying this ever happens

I try to do it, but there's always a clump of greyspearmen that lynch the cuffed head while i'm dragging him to a pod

Alipheese · Post by **Alipheese** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:48 pm #286949

Pods shouldn't go to a centcom ship or centcom.
They are
ESCAPE
POTS
For a reason. They are to get the fuck out of the station not complete your objective. If you want to complete your objective. A la get to centcom as thats been the final product of greentexting so far as the only way to greentexting is escaping. Which all the escape methods are going to centcom.
Require the shuttle to greentext.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:49 pm #286950

Alipheese wrote:Pods shouldn't go to a centcom ship or centcom.
They are
ESCAPE
POTS
For a reason. They are to get the fuck out of the station not complete your objective. If you want to complete your objective. A la get to centcom as thats been the final product of greentexting so far as the only way to greentexting is escaping. Which all the escape methods are going to centcom.
Require the shuttle to greentext.

The shuttle shouldn't go to a centcom ship or centcom.
It is an
ESCAPE
SHUTTLE
For a reason.

but seriously if you consider that the objective in question is called ESCAPE ALIVE your whole logic falls apart

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:50 pm #286951

Have we gotten to the point where we want to deny people's greentext so much that we're going to change how the game handles greentexts?

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:16 pm #286954

DemonFiren wrote:
Alipheese wrote:Pods shouldn't go to a centcom ship or centcom.
They are
ESCAPE
POTS
For a reason. They are to get the fuck out of the station not complete your objective. If you want to complete your objective. A la get to centcom as thats been the final product of greentexting so far as the only way to greentexting is escaping. Which all the escape methods are going to centcom.
Require the shuttle to greentext.
The shuttle shouldn't go to a centcom ship or centcom.
It is an
ESCAPE
SHUTTLE
For a reason.

but seriously if you consider that the objective in question is called ESCAPE ALIVE your whole logic falls apart

Who cares about the wording anyway, its about the gameplay.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:23 pm #286956

MisterPerson wrote:
Shaps-cloud wrote:To give people alternate choices for when the main shuttle is getting bombed/eaten by the engine/hijacked/a bloodbath/too noisy or otherwise undesirable. The shuttle is already one of the biggest bloodbaths because it's trivially easy to bomb/set on fire, not everyone wants every round to end like that
I mean obviously some people are going to avoid the shuttle if it's more dangerous, but isn't danger the whole point of the shuttle to begin with? Wouldn't it be smarter to force people to live dangerously since that's more fun for everyone involved? And if the shuttle's chaos isn't fun for people, then why is it like that?

because what used to be a game where 30 people was considered highpop now regularly hits 80 people, and forcing 80 people into a tight space where all it takes to kill everyone is one person with a flamethrower/bomb/chem grenade/pair of bags of holding/whatever every single round is the kind of "fun chaos" that's more like an unfun admin event.

kevinz000 · Post by **kevinz000** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:43 pm #286958

Please do tell me how anyone is going to prevent antags from maxcapping every round for the memes.

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:49 pm #286960

Shaps-cloud wrote:
MisterPerson wrote:
Shaps-cloud wrote:To give people alternate choices for when the main shuttle is getting bombed/eaten by the engine/hijacked/a bloodbath/too noisy or otherwise undesirable. The shuttle is already one of the biggest bloodbaths because it's trivially easy to bomb/set on fire, not everyone wants every round to end like that
I mean obviously some people are going to avoid the shuttle if it's more dangerous, but isn't danger the whole point of the shuttle to begin with? Wouldn't it be smarter to force people to live dangerously since that's more fun for everyone involved? And if the shuttle's chaos isn't fun for people, then why is it like that?
because what used to be a game where 30 people was considered highpop now regularly hits 80 people, and forcing 80 people into a tight space where all it takes to kill everyone is one person with a flamethrower/bomb/chem grenade/pair of bags of holding/whatever every single round is the kind of "fun chaos" that's more like an unfun admin event.

I don't really see how a couple of people surviving totally isolated from everything else for 2 more minutes makes such a scenario any more interesting.

kevinz000 wrote:Please do tell me how anyone is going to prevent antags from maxcapping every round for the memes.

There is literally nothing stopping them from doing so now either.

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:27 pm #286964

kevinz000 wrote:Please do tell me how anyone is going to prevent antags from maxcapping every round for the memes.

If there's absolutely nothing anyone can do to prevent a traitor from maxcapping a shuttle even with an alert sec department i think the problem may lie in toxins

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:58 pm #286976

XDTM wrote:
kevinz000 wrote:Please do tell me how anyone is going to prevent antags from maxcapping every round for the memes.
If there's absolutely nothing anyone can do to prevent a traitor from maxcapping a shuttle even with an alert sec department i think the problem may lie in toxins

or chem grenades that can create maxcaps/hellfoam/hellsmoke
or a syndiebomb core with C4
or a flamethrower
or burning stacks of plasma that are very easy to snag from cargo/engineering
or bags of holding which make a singulo

killing lots of people who are all grouped up together is trivial in SS13

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:58 pm #287006

CosmicScientist wrote:
kevinz000 wrote:Please do tell me how anyone is going to prevent antags from maxcapping every round for the memes.
Remove syndibombs.
Remove high explosive chemistry.
Remove toxins/tank transfer valves/canister explosion.
Remove supermatter.

It exists, therefore it will be used.

Remove toolboxes

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:19 pm #287019

Or scale escape shuttle size with population size.

Mon May 01, 2017 1:12 am

kevinz000 wrote:Please do tell me how anyone is going to prevent antags from maxcapping every round for the memes.

The round ends 2 minutes later, who gives a shit?

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Mon May 01, 2017 1:36 am #287124

MisterPerson wrote:
kevinz000 wrote:Please do tell me how anyone is going to prevent antags from maxcapping every round for the memes.
The round ends 2 minutes later, who gives a shit?

People who were invested in the round and want to see their characters make it out alive? Have you forgotten this is a roleplaying game almost completely based on trying to survive in adverse conditions?

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Mon May 01, 2017 2:08 am #287131

unfortunately with the breeding of the play-to-win mindset and the proliferation of meme ghost roles to make death meaningless, that isn't a thing here

DrPillzRedux · Mon May 01, 2017 2:12 am

>waaah pods are just antag tools let's get rid of them

Fuck off, I love using pods during code red and delta. Greentext means nothing and you're getting salty over it.

Mon May 01, 2017 2:17 am

Struggling against strangers to get a seat on the pod with seconds to go on the clock is a rush and shouldn't be removed