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Changeling hivemind

Post by InsaneHyena » #290338

Changeling are not a team antag anymore, and therefore they have no business having a hivemind. Removing it will kill changelings ganging up on the rest of the crew and make changelings more vulnerable. Not only you won't be able to call in buddies if you're in trouble, a guy you've just killed could turn out to be a changeling himself.
I'll check this idea for popularity, and then make a PR removing the hivemind.
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Re: Changeling hivemind

Post by DemonFiren » #290344

With hivemind: Reward of gaining powerful allies, risk of being backstabbed and left deader than Elvis due to conflicting objectives.
Without hivemind: Risk of jump scares. Reward of jump scares.

Changelings should have a ~50% chance of getting an objective that puts them on a collision course with another changeling just to see if they use :g at all after that.
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Re: Changeling hivemind

Post by InsaneHyena » #290345

This is not what I'm seeing in actual play. Usually, changelings combine into kill teams, raid the brig, kill security and then genocide the crew. It's not as bad as it used to be in teamling rounds, but it's still there, and it's cancer. When traitors want to cooperate, they have to spend some of them TCs on a radio.
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Re: Changeling hivemind

Post by DemonFiren » #290350

I know.
I figured most of this is due to the fact that most of the time everyone can get greentext without infighting.
Of course it's also due to the fact that changelings were made stupid robust, which they never should have been in the first place.
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Re: Changeling hivemind

Post by PKPenguin321 » #290857

It existed before teamling and was removed once before and it sucked dick. Leave it alone
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Post by D&B » #290860

Yeah but the game and lings since then have evolved so raising the idea again shouldn't be denied just because before it sucked.
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Re: Changeling hivemind

Post by PKPenguin321 » #290862

D&B wrote:Yeah but the game and lings since then have evolved so raising the idea again shouldn't be denied just because before it sucked.
What about lings in particular has changed to prompt this though
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Re: Changeling hivemind

Post by InsaneHyena » #290863

Mainly armblades and other insane buffs to robustness of individual lings
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Post by PKPenguin321 » #290864

InsaneHyena wrote:Mainly armblades and other insane buffs to robustness of individual lings
Armblades have been around since before teamling and the first removal of hivemind and the second bit is too vague
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Re: Changeling hivemind

Post by ShadowDimentio » #290874

Lings are the most hilariously powerful antag we have on tap, even surpassing the deliberately ridiculous wizard. The slightest chance that lings start infighting is an instant +1 from me.
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Post by PKPenguin321 » #290898

ShadowDimentio wrote:Lings are the most hilariously powerful antag we have on tap, even surpassing the deliberately ridiculous wizard
What a fuckin crazy hyperbole, i hope you don't really believe this
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Re: Changeling hivemind

Post by ShadowDimentio » #290901

>AoE attacks
>EMP bursts
>Crazy damage
>Self-healing
>Revives from death at practically no penalty
>Impossible to hold down
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>Loud as fuck
>One decent shot and they're dead
>There's one of them
>AoE attacks
>EMP bursts
>Crazy damage
>Self-healing
>Revives from death at practically no penalty
>Impossible to hold down
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>Impossible to track unless they fuck up catastrophically
>Ten decent shots and they escape anyways
>There's 2-4 of them
I hate lings with a flaming passion due to how hilariously, obnoxiously powerful they are. They have ZERO weaknesses, and this would at least open the possibility of them slaughtering each other instead of the crew every single time.
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Re: Changeling hivemind

Post by Armhulen » #290904

>lings are about deception

>have armblades, EMPS, tentacles and rapid healing

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Post by D&B » #290926

Think Prototype, not The Thing
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Post by DemonFiren » #290930

D&B wrote:Think Prototype, not The Thing
Solution: Stop thinking Prototype, think The Thing again.
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Re: Changeling hivemind

Post by D&B » #290938

How do you want a slow stealth antag when the players keep breaking the stealth part of gamemodes and admins nor coders want to make moves to prevent this due to unpopularity

The first step towards changing something is recognizing what it is in the present. It is wrong to compare ling to the thing when in its current state you're basically Alex Mercer.
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Re: Changeling hivemind

Post by DemonFiren » #290939

Clearly the faceless playing masses have shit taste and the coder conspiracy is catering to their needs in order to further the division.
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Post by kevinz000 » #290941

basically people need to acquire proficiency then? like shadowdimentio?
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Post by Munchlax » #290983

ShadowDimentio wrote:Lings are the most hilariously powerful antag we have on tap, even surpassing the deliberately ridiculous wizard. The slightest chance that lings start infighting is an instant +1 from me.
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Post by lzimann » #290987

Well, lings are stupid and maybe a bit too strong. Removal of the hivemind might be a good change overall.
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Post by Lumbermancer » #291007

Just rat the other lings out, work with Captain and Sec, while furthering your own goals. It's super fun, I do it all the time. Ling v Ling is tense.
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Post by DemonFiren » #291014

Lumbermancer wrote:Just rat the other lings out, work with Captain and Sec, while furthering your own goals. It's super fun, I do it all the time. Ling v Ling is tense.
Any ling I catch doing that gets cremated.
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Re: Changeling hivemind

Post by ShadowDimentio » #291193

geilebeer wrote:
ShadowDimentio wrote:Lings are the most hilariously powerful antag we have on tap, even surpassing the deliberately ridiculous wizard. The slightest chance that lings start infighting is an instant +1 from me.
It's time to stop posting
Not an argument
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Post by onleavedontatme » #291234

Shadowdimentio is right
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Post by onleavedontatme » #291236

Maybe a bit exaggerated compared to wizard but still mostly right
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Post by Incomptinence » #291282

Eh traitors wipe crews more than lings with their op flavour of the month crutch whatever that may be.
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Post by PKPenguin321 » #291359

Starting to get off topic from just hivemind but I thought about it and I think a better fix would be to make it so that some changeling abilities cause Regenerative Stasis to cost more chems/take longer to complete so if you want to be more combat oriented outright you're less invincible
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Post by ShadowDimentio » #291407

Incomptinence wrote:Eh traitors wipe crews more than lings with their op flavour of the month crutch whatever that may be.
Traitors are way more common then lings, even appearing along with them. Of course they wipe crew way more often, but put a traitor against a ling and the ling will win.
PKPenguin321 wrote:Starting to get off topic from just hivemind but I thought about it and I think a better fix would be to make it so that some changeling abilities cause Regenerative Stasis to cost more chems/take longer to complete so if you want to be more combat oriented outright you're less invincible
A good first step to make lings less stupidly powerful would be for regenerative stasis to revive you at 1 health instead of 100. It's fucking stupid that a ling can get killed, be a room away from the incinerator, revive, instantly melt all restraints and sprint full speed down the hall. Now they'd have to actually have a plan after they revive or else they just go back down again.

The next is to incorporate some way to test changelings, because there's currently no fucking way to know if someone's a ling or not unless you catch then dead in the middle of unzipping their proboscis. At one point if you used a welder on a syringe of ling blood it would scream, bring that back.
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"Penguins are the second race to realise 2D>3D"
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"Paul Blart mall cops if they all had ambitions of joining the Waffen-SS"
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"These logs could kill a dragon much less a man"
-Armhulenn

">7 8 6
WHAT MADNESS IS THIS? POETIC ANARCHY!"
-Wyzack

"We didn't kick one goofball out only to have another one come in like a fucking revolving door"
-Kraseo

"There's a difference between fucking faggots and being a fucking faggot."
-Anonmare

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"Wew. Congrats. It's been actual years since anyone tried to make fun of me for being divorced. You caught me, I'm tilted. Here is your trophy."
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Lol"
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Post by InsaneHyena » #291410

Bring back papercult.

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Post by Oldman Robustin » #291455

PKPenguin321 wrote:It existed before teamling and was removed once before and it sucked dick. Leave it alone
Literally the only response this thread needs. We tried it, it blew hot dick, its a dead meme.
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Re: Changeling hivemind

Post by onleavedontatme » #291457

When hivemind was added changelings were actually adversaries and had conflicting objectives/bonuses for eating eachother, so it was a risk reward thing if we want to dig into historical shit.
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