Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

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Re: Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

Post by kevinz000 » #299764

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am i going to get my post deleted if i once again tell shadow to go acquire some proficiency ?
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Re: Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

Post by ShadowDimentio » #299770

No amount of gitting gud allows you to both guard the deconverts and also dunk the other cultists-- you can't be in two places at once you mongoloid.
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Re: Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

Post by iamgoofball » #299774

ShadowDimentio wrote:No amount of gitting gud allows you to both guard the deconverts and also dunk the other cultists-- you can't be in two places at once you mongoloid.
You can if you use the buddy system
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Re: Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

Post by ShadowDimentio » #299776

That's not you being in two places, that's you being somewhere and your buddy being elsewhere.

My point was, just shoot cultists and you get to go right back to hunting for more cultists, while deconverting them takes time and effort not being spent hunting cultists.
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Re: Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

Post by D&B » #299785

CosmicScientist wrote:But the Warden shouldn't leave the brig or the cultists will steal the armoury.

And the Chaplain shouldn't leave the brig or the cultists will kill your unholy blocker maker and your healer and your deconversion fluid maker.

So you have four idle hands not validhunting and waiting to be used.

What do if chaplain gets executed early on because they kept smoking and stealing away prisoners.
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Re: Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

Post by Doctor Pork » #299787

ShadowDimentio wrote:No amount of gitting gud allows you to both guard the deconverts and also dunk the other cultists-- you can't be in two places at once you mongoloid.
I mean realistically there should be some sort of department that works together to handle threats like this in a manner befitting the situation. Someone whose job is, I don't know, to protect the station and keep everyone alive or something collectively.
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Re: Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

Post by ShadowDimentio » #299789

Doctor Pork wrote:
ShadowDimentio wrote:No amount of gitting gud allows you to both guard the deconverts and also dunk the other cultists-- you can't be in two places at once you mongoloid.
I mean realistically there should be some sort of department that works together to handle threats like this in a manner befitting the situation. Someone whose job is, I don't know, to protect the station and keep everyone alive or something collectively.
The most efficient way to keep everyone alive is to put bullets lasers through everything trying to make things not alive. Except you-- you're allowed to kill stuff.
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-Kraseo

"There's a difference between fucking faggots and being a fucking faggot."
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"Wew. Congrats. It's been actual years since anyone tried to make fun of me for being divorced. You caught me, I'm tilted. Here is your trophy."
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Re: Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

Post by Doctor Pork » #299791

ShadowDimentio wrote:
Doctor Pork wrote:
ShadowDimentio wrote:No amount of gitting gud allows you to both guard the deconverts and also dunk the other cultists-- you can't be in two places at once you mongoloid.
I mean realistically there should be some sort of department that works together to handle threats like this in a manner befitting the situation. Someone whose job is, I don't know, to protect the station and keep everyone alive or something collectively.
The most efficient way to keep everyone alive is to put bullets lasers through everything trying to make things not alive. Except you-- you're allowed to kill stuff.
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Re: Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

Post by Oldman Robustin » #299854

Seriously one tap of the bible on a tank is 1000u of holy water, how is that a legit complaint?

But yea this thread has gone from silly to fucking moronic real fast so ill post for the last time: I will cut the deconversion time slightly if cult has above a 45% winrate when the May numbers come out. I do like and support the idea of deconversion not being easy or braindead simple. In my mind its probably the best deconversion mechanic because its not just IMPLANTS IMPLANTS IMPLANTS IMPLANTS. It requires sec to be organized, disciplines and actually run their brig something like a brig.
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Re: Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

Post by Luke Cox » #299871

I understand why it takes a while, but if I can't reasonably deconvert them in a timely manner I just kill them. I'll have to try Oldman's plan though. Better yet, I could put a maxcap on them for some more fun.
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It's also a long and finicky process to do so even more incentive to skip it.
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Re: Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

Post by kevinz000 » #299884

it's almost like security is supposed to work as a team!
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Re: Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

Post by Steelpoint » #299887

Question, do you need to be the Chaplain to use a bible to 'bless' a tank of water?
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Re: Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

Post by Yakumo_Chen » #299891

I believe it actually requires a chaplain wielding the book, yes.

also just open up more chaplain slots and order holy crates if you're that worried about your one chaplain going missing.
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Re: Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

Post by Lumbermancer » #300124

I was thinking. The only outwardly visible manifestations of conversion are speaking gibberish, and a conversion message. That's sorta problematic, because you need someone to keep an eye on convertee all the time tto witness them, otherwise you might question things: "was he really fed holy water?", "I was out of the brig fighting, and now i'm back, and this guy broke out and is running around freely, can I trust him?" etc.

So, add "examine" cues. Something like "x is shaking in religious furor" for conversion, and "x is surrounded by an aura of purity" for some time after conversion. Conversion process would take less babysitting, and you would be able to spot recent convertees at a glance, making you more inclined to do it.
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Re: Why does holy water take so long to deconvert

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kevinz000 wrote:am i going to get my post deleted if i once again tell shadow to go acquire some proficiency ?
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