/tg/Station 13

Nabski wrote:Flashes gang sounds aweful.

I liked the dominator gangs, but it was right as I was starting to play. I really enjoyed the territory mechanic, and still do, because it involves running around the station looking for things or cleaning and trying to control an area without having to just look for people to turn sideways.

In the worst idea ever it might be interesting if that was how clock cult bronzed things. Plant your bronze seed and it converts out from that room. People running around knocking down seeds.

lumipharon wrote:Early gang was 10/10 fun, the hilarious firefights we had between 5-6 gangers on either side, sometimes with some security in there also.
Honestly they were the most enjoyable fights I've had in the game, the problems only really appeared after that early phase, when people started playing to win rather then fucking around and having FUN.

My dream is still of datum antags and a more limited (in terms of numbers, gear and objectives) gang(s) running around and being a bit more fluffy an enjoyable, but eh.

Oldman Robustin wrote:
Even if you hate vigilantes and the total warfare, the new gang is still far superior. Its only weakness is now that EVERY gangster cares about territory the maint battles get intense within minutes of roundstart whereas before you didn't really give a fuck if someone else was spraying your territory, all it was affect was a handful of influence for a couple people. Now everyone has a stake in tagging so there's a lot more early death and gang v. gang conflict, but in turn that means security and implant spam is still pretty easy to pull off since gangs are too busy killing each other to give a fuck about sec fortifying cargo.

kevinz000 wrote:TDM is not an answer

Oldman Robustin wrote:No period of gangs gets to enter the category of "great". Like most team modes it CAN produce great rounds simply by virtue of throwing large numbers of players into each other in a high stakes conflict, but generally speaking the gameplay always had a shitty core.

1) Gang leaders controlling all the influence was awful. Every gang's influence was basically the leader's personal uzi savings account (it was even worse when it was the tommy gun, basically a C20R with more ammo and crazy OP), there were so few games where I would even get a weapon. It was mostly rev in the sense that your ability to slip a security officer and get their gear was a determinative factor in your gang's success.

2) Dom defense was cancer. Even with decent territory doms would take 10+ minutes to finish. Since defending something for 10 minutes is absolutely awful gangs would just wipe out all opposition before planting, then twiddle their thumbs for 10 minutes while 50 ghosts watched. Even when there was still active resistance the best dom defense was wallspam wallspam wallspam.

3) If Dom defense was cancer then pre-dom objectives were Stage 5 Space Aids, you could only win after there was nobody left to give a shit so either you murdered everyone or it was lowpop and suddenly out of nowhere the the round because someone spraycanned enough maint walls to win.

4) Security was always oppressive. The only good gang rounds took place when they were too underpopulated or too dumb to leverage their natural advantages. Honestly even if there was only one gang with multiple bosses gangs would still probably lose because getting the occasional gun is not worth losing the rapid-fire conversion that revs get (plus unlike revs, gangs have obvious tells). If security ever took control of cargo it was GG.

5) There wasn't enough flavor. It always felt like slomo revs except where each revhead is hostile to each other. You had 3 weapons, switchblade, stechkin, and uzi - of those 3 the smart money was always on the stechkin (which was already a traitor weapon) - so absolutely nothing about the mode except tagging felt very "gangster".


Even if you hate vigilantes and the total warfare, the new gang is still far superior. Its only weakness is now that EVERY gangster cares about territory the maint battles get intense within minutes of roundstart whereas before you didn't really give a fuck if someone else was spraying your territory, all it was affect was a handful of influence for a couple people. Now everyone has a stake in tagging so there's a lot more early death and gang v. gang conflict, but in turn that means security and implant spam is still pretty easy to pull off since gangs are too busy killing each other to give a fuck about sec fortifying cargo.