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Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:24 am**

For those not up-to-date, headpatting and slapping have been removed, and catgirls + xenomaids are currently in the process of being removed headpatting, slapping, catgirls, and xeno maids are are constantly being removed, readded, reverted, PR-closed, PR-reopened in some autistic coder war

[CLOSED] - Removes all bestiality fetish material from the /tg/station codebase. #28212 by Iamgoofball - closed by ChangelingRain - reopened by KorPhaeron - closed by RemieRichards - reopened by lzimann - closed by RemieRichards - reopened by lzimann - closed by KorPhaeron (with 14 - 22 approval)
[OPEN] ---- Readds headpatting and slapping but not shittily #28208 by Cyberboss - closed by lzimann - repoened by KorPhaeron
[CLOSED] - Revert "Removes the headpatting code and the slapping code" #28210 by YakumoChen - closed by lzimann (with 5 - 0 approval)
[MERGED] - Removes xeno queen maid #28171 by lzimann - closed by ChangelingRain - reopened by lzimann - merged by AnturK (with 12 - 19 approval)
[CLOSED] - Removes the xeno maid from tg #28168 by optimumtact - closed by KorPhaeron (with 1 - 6 approval)
[CLOSED] - Removes xenomaid #27848 by lzimann - closed by KorPhaeron - reopened by optimumtact - closed by optimumtact - reopened by Cheridan - closed by Cheridan (with 1 - 8 approval)
[MERGED] - Removes the headpatting code and the slapping code #28028 by optimumtact - closed by RemieRichards - reopened by lzimann - closed by ChangelingRain - reopened by lzimann - merged by lzimann (with 10 - 24 approval)

Will be updating as this continues.

Discuss

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:49 am**

Ironic coming from the guy with the Papi avatar

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:59 am**

Ironic in what way, I'm just describing what is happening

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:02 am**

Creating a thread that implies disdain towards Japanese media inspired content while your profile pic is from japanese media content.

I just find it funny.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:01 am**

Remember when cat ears was just added to test the tattoos system, and then we never got tattoos and cat ears were fully implemented?

I'm still upset about not having tattoos

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:03 am**

I would be very happy if we got rid of the cat species. Not even a wiki page race entry on them.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:19 am**

It's a conspiracy to make players who like these features quit and join a very certain other server instead.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:25 am**

Tokiko2 wrote:It's a conspiracy to make players who like these features quit and join a very certain other server instead.

what server lol, pm me

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:22 am**

Tokiko2 wrote:It's a conspiracy to make players who like these features quit and join a very certain other server instead.

don't mention it

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:51 am**

Steelpoint wrote:I would be very happy if we got rid of the cat species. Not even a wiki page race entry on them.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:28 am**

Catgirls are a mistake

Comparatively to other roundstart species, they have a lot less work put into them. Most likely, this is because they were supposed to be a proof of concept for another, less autistic human customization system. Their only mention on the wiki is the rules page, they reuse assets, and overall they could probably replaced with a better system, such as tattoos.

Head patting, Slapping, and the Xeno Maid, I don't really care about though

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:37 am**

People comolain about autistic weebism but atleast the weeb shit is fairly general. I remember when this game had direct references to homestuck in it and the badmins would constantly spawn themselves as trolls from homestuck

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:22 am**

Roleplay only features that are only placeholder but a select group deemed fit for popularity & personal preferences to force it to stay.

Not democratic at all.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:28 am**

I mean, slapping can stay. It's cathartic.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:04 am**

FantasticFwoosh wrote: Not democratic at all.

http://ss13.eu/tgdb/tg/ingamepolls.php#p158

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:09 am**

FantasticFwoosh wrote:Roleplay only features that are only placeholder but a select group deemed fit for popularity & personal preferences to force it to stay.

Not democratic at all.

Lies don't get you anywhere.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:11 am**

Lzimann is our guy

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:12 am**

Imagine my shock and surprise that people who always call for maintainers to settle things democratically are still upset and still call the decision illegitimate if their option loses the vote.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:26 am**

itt goofball is a baby ok

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:30 am**

Kor wrote:Imagine my shock and surprise that people who always call for maintainers to settle things democratically are still upset and still call the decision illegitimate if their option loses the vote.

tbh it's fwoosh you're talking about here

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:50 am**

>confusedrock hates lizard players and furries in general
>he adds slapping as a way to force lizards to stop wagging their tail (he hates wagging)
>slapping is removed because it's "fetish fuel"

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:59 am**

Slapping was added because parting was added. So, it is only fair removing slapping when heat pat was removed.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:05 pm**

Kor wrote:Imagine my shock and surprise that people who always call for maintainers to settle things democratically are still upset and still call the decision illegitimate if their option loses the vote.

You mean that votes are discarded when the result disagrees with the author, but used as reinforcement when it supports him? I am GOBSMACKED!

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:20 pm**

Lzimann literally merges things that people don't want just to make his crush happy what do you people expect

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:34 pm**

Pretty much this yeah

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:06 pm**

I'm gonna miss slappin cuz I put a lotta work into it and the sound is okhand but if its removed with patting its not big a deal
(If I weren't having issues with dreammaker a month ago I woulda made a pr to make lizard punches always deal at least 6 damage but never stun so it was more like claws and lizards were different with less a luck factor to punches both ways)

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:13 pm**

My only problem with slapping is there's no visual effect

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:20 pm**

Glad to see Kor care about server polls! Let's pick another random poll, shall we?

Well looks like a vast majority of the players voted to keep this feature. Gee, I wonder who was headmin when this feature was removed without a poll a few months later?

Hm

Hmm

Hmmmm

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:29 pm**

Kor wrote:Imagine my shock and surprise that people who always call for maintainers to settle things democratically are still upset and still call the decision illegitimate if their option loses the vote.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:30 pm**

Grazyn wrote:Glad to see Kor care about server polls! Let's pick another random poll, shall we?

Well looks like a vast majority of the players voted to keep this feature. Gee, I wonder who was headmin when this feature was removed without a poll a few months later?

Hm

Hmm

Hmmmm

>wanting erp

Did you not learn the last two times?

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:33 pm**

Hahahah if you want erp so bad go to fucking citadel ahahah it is the same server with erp how can you really want erp on TG station nowadays

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:35 pm**

Why would you remove headpatting

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:36 pm**

Obviously I think it's okay to contradict polls in certain cases (I dont think ERP is remotely equivalent to cat ears in the impacts it had on the game) and have for a long time. I just think its funny that the hardline democracy people who get on my case for ignoring polls also whine at me if the polls get followed.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:44 pm**

Democracy only works when I get what I want

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:44 pm**

The argument against cats is the same one against ERP, i.e. the feature promotes metagangs that disrupt the round.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:49 pm**

Grazyn wrote:The argument against cats is the same one against ERP, i.e. the feature promotes metagangs that disrupt the round.

Actually, the human tendency to form relationships with other humans promotes "metagangs that disrupt the round."

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:51 pm**

Talking is a bannable offense. Metagangs are NOT allowed

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:51 pm**

You insipid fucking dipshits bawling your eyes out about metagangs and other such garbage surely must have some better argument to offer (you don't, because this is a stupid inexplicable blind hatred of something because lol anime lol 4ries and that kind of nonsense).

People play the game in different ways. Some of them play primarily to be able to play with their friends. That's never going to stop. No amount of removing things that trigger your phobia of poorly drawn high schoolers with a stupid accessory is going to change that.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:54 pm**

The fact that LeoZ hasn't lost maintainer for just outright merging things he was told not to and re-opening PRs closed by other maintainers to merge them especially when he's so blatantly trying to push his personal agenda boggles one's mind.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:04 pm**

Grazyn wrote:The argument against cats is the same one against ERP, i.e. the feature promotes metagangs that disrupt the round.

Literally never seen a catgirl metagang, and I play a catgirl.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:08 pm**

captain sawrge wrote:
Grazyn wrote:The argument against cats is the same one against ERP, i.e. the feature promotes metagangs that disrupt the round.
Actually, the human tendency to form relationships with other humans promotes "metagangs that disrupt the round."

The only difference is that sexual intercourse is a natural part of social life whereas cat-human hybrids are not. But the former is banned and the latter isn't.

Jokes aside, race selection is a server issue, not a coding issue, and the final call should be made by headmins, not maintainers. Bringin the comparison with ERP once again:
>HG is headmin
>HG bans ERP
>New headmins are elected
>They put up a poll
>ERP is unbanned
>New headmins are elected
>ERP is banned again

>Lzimann is headmin
>Lzimann bans cats
>New headmins are elected
>They put up a poll
>Cats are unbanned
>YOU ARE NOW HERE

If Lzimann wants to ban cats so much he can just wait until he's headmin again.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:12 pm**

I changed my mind. Comparing an accessory/minor detail to virtual sex has gotta be the actual weakest fucking argument you dumbasses have.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:12 pm**

take off those sunglasses they're making you blind, sligneris

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:14 pm**

Removing an entirely cosmetic feature when nearly 300 people voted in favor of it because you personally don't like it is insanely fucking petty.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:19 pm**

Get rid of round start Cat People please.

Of all the races we have on offer at round start, Cat People have literally no thought put into them as to why they exist. Lizardmen and Plasmamen have a extensive (by our standards) lore and reason as to why not only they exist, but as to why they are hired by Nanotrasen to staff top secret space stations. In addition Cat People are the laziest race to exist in the game. While Lizardmen are simple, but they have extensive mechanics and physical differences to set them apart from Humans in a very significant way, Plasmamen are essentially playing a entirely different game in their implementation.

Cat people are just Human wearing cat ears. Almost no difference whatsoever to a standard Humans sans they don't count as a Human for Silicon laws.

Which is another issue I raise, considering how Cat People look almost virtually identical to Humans, I oft run into issues where their Humanity is on question where it never should be.

If Cat People actually looked non-human there would be no issue, but they are just unimaginative. They have two sets of ears, their human ears and some shitty cat ears, a tail with literally no functional purpose (Humans don't need them), for some reason female cat people only have two breasts and they have no fur whatsoever, etc, etc, etc.

Polls or popularity otherwise I always hoped we drew the line in the sand when it came to such shitty content. We used to make fun of people suggesting cat people as a round start race, yet they just get added in over the years. Slippery slope is a correct argument when it turns out to be true.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:21 pm**

How the fuck does 8 pixels get people so mad. It is not really effective to the game at all. How is 8 pixels ruining the game. Explain.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:22 pm**

That's a shitty argument to distract from the issue ColdTurtle.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:22 pm**

Just because every feature ever implemented has not followed democratic process does not mean you are not a fucking hypocrite for screeching about democracy until it disagrees with you and then arguing your point anyways.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:25 pm**

Seeing maintainers catfight over this instead of referring up to headmins really shows who really has the power around here and how the whole "headmin" thing is just a sad joke.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:26 pm**

I think its more headmins would rather let everyone else sort it out instead of dragging themselves through the mud to resolve the issue.

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