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Bottom post of the previous page:

You are a extension of coderbus, you've mentioned changing it to tablets twice and i take your word for it as being culpably responsible enough to give a answer, its not as easy as throwing out these statements then shirking it off. I would nominate if i could, i meant by my statement, given it seems that you are all elected on your coding ability rather than your people skills to actually do a bit of admin work in the github & coderbus enviroment. (forgetting that time cyberboss broke everything but i digress)

Actual responsibility and representation, you're not just a coder with unlimited github access to the project are you?

Again what actual changes would you propose to the PDA to tablet transitional system (changing the question slightly, if it was YOUR PR project since you're keen to play a game of who's PR is it anyway), else lacking a answer ill take whatever other topic contribution about turning PDA's into tablets as literally nothing to be worried about hollow empty statements, and you're here just to pretend to be relevant while picking fights.

edit - scratch this last bit of my post i removed it doesn't have formed logic.

Just a reminder this thread lasted exactly five posts before it turned into a shouting match drawing in the lurking trolls with the scent cast to the wind.

the issue is that you started the thread off by generalizing everyone that codes for the game and tried to claim that tablets were something that they aren't, not that the coders themselves got upset!

Well the thread was meant to be feedback more towards the direction that 'generalised' coders were trying to hype tablets up (reporting on the in-game circumstance that not a lot of people seem to use tablets, enough to warrant a PR banner that solely publicises tablets and tgui), and then put out relevant points like the distinct lack of non-specialised features during my back and fourth discussion with steelpoint about whether such functions were nessecary to be so gated towards the more maintained tablet item.

> Moment of weakness, i don't mention any names because my homework on who put in the input as to the systems (whether it is one or many) is lacking thats my own explanation as to the generalisation (demonization?) of coders.

Something I adressed in my suggestions thread here.

The topic changing as it did is a matter of fact that a coder got upset mid thread, as to say they openly listened in on my broadcasted comments and got upset without even mentioning themselves, taking it as a personal attack for unknown reasons. I still think tablets are very hyped up for being so edge case and mediocre, and there is legitimate criticism from others like CPTANT about how some of the functions are literally non-operational to the object.

CPTANT wrote:

Remie Richards wrote:*snip*

Because dealing with 2 shit objects is even worse than dealing with one?

The tablet has a bad interface. Downloading things is NOT FUN, it is only more clicks and waiting for downloading the exact same programs every round.

Also why does the tablet need things like a file manager and OS and whatnot? It adds nothing.

The only useful thing about the tablet is the alarm monitor.

Here's another criticism i've plucked from the suggestions thread.

Segmented wrote:What is even the point of the file transfer system? So you can send the exact same programs they can already download to someone?

Hence it'd be nice to demystify why people still support these objects, unless the sole purpose is to use them mainly in a handful of jobs.

What I see happen at tg real life in general:
Anytime there's ever two different opposing viewpoints, the followers of both will completely refuse to compromise, find a middleground, or just otherwise show any balanced approach or mentality to it. Instead they will automatically opt for the most extreme stance possible, regardless of the topic.
If you think this doesn't apply to you, it probably does.

I don't want tablets to replace PDAs, but I do want them to be an alternative, where does that put me?

CosmicScientist wrote:

Xhuis wrote:I don't want tablets to replace PDAs, but I do want them to be an alternative, where does that put me?

In the WRONG place. You need to be PRO SKUB or ANTI SKUB. The WORST person is a NEITHER SIDE person. That is the only thing pro skub and anti skub can proudly agree on.

skub SUCKS
(what's skub again?)

@xhuis
Here I made a chart you can find yourself on:

Xhuis wrote:

CosmicScientist wrote:

Xhuis wrote:I don't want tablets to replace PDAs, but I do want them to be an alternative, where does that put me?

In the WRONG place. You need to be PRO SKUB or ANTI SKUB. The WORST person is a NEITHER SIDE person. That is the only thing pro skub and anti skub can proudly agree on.

skub SUCKS
(what's skub again?)

I'll tell you what it is. It's great you fucking anti-skubber

pro skub

also stop replying to fwoosh and oxford bait remie

skub is nice
@Bawhop I'd fit into the "favors pda and tablet" in there!

I have a suggestion:
Merge PDA and tablet functionality. Make PDA an alternative/customisable skin you can have on start or by getting a paintjob from the HoP.
Have tablet flashlights have variable intensity. Lowest level is PDA light levels and doesn't cause a noticeable drain (or any drain if you want) on battery power
Convert PDA cartridge functionality into loadable job programs
Give tablets the quick email reply of PDAs

I have now solved the problem. There'd be no functional difference between PDA and tablets in their shared functionality but it'd open them up to further functionality.

Add a PDA slot to tablets and a tablet slot to PDAs.
Both parties are happy, all functionality is kept in a single item. Easy.

We should also give sec the ability to arrest criminals through merely thinking about them. Ne'er-do-wells can't escape the grip of the law.

The other day I stole a pda, fitted it with a Id slot and and pirated the id program. Pretty gud to get multiple ids without risking to be detected

PDA card slots i touched upon my other suggestion thread could help bring tablets into the more generally applied mainstream, since ID is at best easily forged, fiddly etc. and we could justify downloading applications off the card to fill it up, as opposed to a PDA loading in a full card all the time.

Bawhoppennn wrote:What I see happen at tg real life in general:
Anytime there's ever two different opposing viewpoints, the followers of both will completely refuse to compromise, find a middleground, or just otherwise show any balanced approach or mentality to it. Instead they will automatically opt for the most extreme stance possible, regardless of the topic.
If you think this doesn't apply to you, it probably does.

that's called strawmanning.

and the reason it occurs here (or occurs with me rather) instead of me fleshing out a 45 paragraph response with cited sources, graphs, and other shit that are all logical and not a meme, and then just have everyone go

"hurr he's oxford tl;dr"

i just make shitty oneline arguments and piss off entitled maintainers on the sole premise that they're appart of a collective circle jerk between the color namers and the conspiracy

Remie Richards wrote:>Oxford stop telling us what our job is
>Tells us what our job is
>Oxford stop telling us what our job is, for the millionth time it's not that
>But what If I was retarded and my mouth had no off switch

Oxford for the million + 1th time...

it is that

you don't tell your boss what your job is

(inb4 its cause im a female)

no its because "the boss" is defined as the 1000 people who play here that arent coders

i've yet to see someone say "i sincerely dislike pda code and greatly wish for them to be removed tablets are amazing in every way" that wasn't a coder

It works both ways please oxford take it to the hut if you want to depose the bourgeoisie, you are being disruptive when we just got the thread back on track broadly. Im not going to report your posts for being off topic or anything (but given the density of shouting from people all around i've considered calling the forum mod thought police ) but turn it down a notch.

John_Oxford wrote: i've yet to see someone say "i sincerely dislike pda code and greatly wish for them to be removed tablets are amazing in every way" that wasn't a coder

Holy shit.
How can one man fail to get something so simple into his skull.

PDA CODE DOES NOT AFFECT PLAYERS. PLAYERS EXPERIENCE THE END RESULT OF IT, AND NOTHING MORE.
You don't interact with PDA code, you don't ever have to look at it, or to modify it, or to add to it, but coders do!
So let's see: You've never seen anyone complain about it except the people who actually have to work on it

Really nogs your jog.


Also, the only place you're our """boss""" is in your wet dreams.
Your sopping, pathetic, wet dreams, probably one mental corridor down from your guncrafting waifupillows and your """reworks of admin/coder hierarchy" fanficitons.

>remie is still replying to someone that probably never wrote or read a single line of code in their life.

lzimann wrote:>remie is still replying to someone that probably never wrote or read a single line of code in their life.

It is pretty hard to ignore people who go full retard.

as I said in the IRC last night, the bait is delicious and also I hate myself.
you know those weird emo kids with the gauges in their ears? imagine that but the gauge is a bait hook, that's totally me rn.

lzimann wrote:>remie is still replying to someone that probably never wrote or read a single line of code in their life.

really gets those gears turning

John_Oxford wrote:

Bawhoppennn wrote:What I see happen at tg real life in general:
Anytime there's ever two different opposing viewpoints, the followers of both will completely refuse to compromise, find a middleground, or just otherwise show any balanced approach or mentality to it. Instead they will automatically opt for the most extreme stance possible, regardless of the topic.
If you think this doesn't apply to you, it probably does.

that's called strawmanning.

and the reason it occurs here (or occurs with me rather) instead of me fleshing out a 45 paragraph response with cited sources, graphs, and other shit that are all logical and not a meme, and then just have everyone go

"hurr he's oxford tl;dr"

i just make shitty oneline arguments and piss off entitled maintainers on the sole premise that they're appart of a collective circle jerk between the color namers and the conspiracy

also read this

Remie Richards wrote:

John_Oxford wrote: i've yet to see someone say "i sincerely dislike pda code and greatly wish for them to be removed tablets are amazing in every way" that wasn't a coder

Holy shit.
How can one man fail to get something so simple into his skull.

PDA CODE DOES NOT AFFECT PLAYERS. PLAYERS EXPERIENCE THE END RESULT OF IT, AND NOTHING MORE.
You don't interact with PDA code, you don't ever have to look at it, or to modify it, or to add to it, but coders do!
So let's see: You've never seen anyone complain about it except the people who actually have to work on it

Really nogs your jog.


Also, the only place you're our """boss""" is in your wet dreams.
Your sopping, pathetic, wet dreams, probably one mental corridor down from your guncrafting waifupillows and your """reworks of admin/coder hierarchy" fanficitons.

pda code doesn't affect players
pda code affects pda's, which affect players.

you know for someone who seemed level headed you really are missing the point, the hypocrisy of the entire situation is so ungodly ironic

im interested to see what you thought a guncrafting waifupillow was or if that was just a thinnly veiled insult

John_Oxford wrote:just because you can code doesn't give you or kor or cherdian or leoz absolute control and authority over the entire game because 1000 other people play it too.

What a curious assertion. One so obviously wrong, too.

ChangelingRain wrote:

John_Oxford wrote:just because you can code doesn't give you or kor or cherdian or leoz absolute control and authority over the entire game because 1000 other people play it too.

What a curious assertion. One so obviously wrong, too.

settle down hg

If you'll read I mentioned that the players experience the end result.
this is 100% true.
I also said they don't experience pda code.
this is 100% true also, the only time they would experience that code is to look at it, to modify it, or to remove it which... Oh! Look! I already said that.

As for the insult, there was no veiling, it was just an insult of your near-fetishistic level of love for a guncrafting system with retarded amounts of not-going-to-happen complexity (seriously? replacing individual pins and springs and shit in a gun? that's your fetish, not something for the game itself)

John_Oxford wrote:

ChangelingRain wrote:

John_Oxford wrote:just because you can code doesn't give you or kor or cherdian or leoz absolute control and authority over the entire game because 1000 other people play it too.

What a curious assertion. One so obviously wrong, too.

settle down hg

Learn to code or fuck off.

Or start signing paychecks, up to you.

Wow. I don't know if these are the true colors of some people I thought I knew, or just the flags they wave when reasonable conversation goes into the dumpster.
I think it's about time to lock this thread.

Remie Richards wrote:If you'll read I mentioned that the players experience the end result.
this is 100% true.
I also said they don't experience pda code.
this is 100% true also, the only time they would experience that code is to look at it, to modify it, or to remove it which... Oh! Look! I already said that.

As for the insult, there was no veiling, it was just an insult of your near-fetishistic level of love for a guncrafting system with retarded amounts of not-going-to-happen complexity (seriously? replacing individual pins and springs and shit in a gun? that's your fetish, not something for the game itself)

i was agreeing with you, which is why i spoke about hipocrisy assuming that we aren't magically agreeing on the same thing

also no where did i state that level of complexity and its been greatly over exagerated.

a buffer spring is a large part of a fire arm. every part i listed is a major compontent in a fire arm

captain sawrge wrote:

John_Oxford wrote:

ChangelingRain wrote:

John_Oxford wrote:just because you can code doesn't give you or kor or cherdian or leoz absolute control and authority over the entire game because 1000 other people play it too.

What a curious assertion. One so obviously wrong, too.

settle down hg

Learn to code or fuck off.

Or start signing paychecks, up to you.

please have the entire admin team including mso and excluding trialmins along with the top five contributors to the project's paypal through a fourm message.

i will, as i promise, in all seriousness, give you each ten cents every two weeks in exchange for willingness to fix broken features and stop the "im a volunteer" excuse

Xhuis wrote:Wow. I don't know if these are the true colors of some people I thought I knew, or just the flags they wave when reasonable conversation goes into the dumpster.
I think it's about time to lock this thread.

They're really going at it eh

Ok all John Oxford is actually saying is: WEEEEH WEEEEEH CODERS DONT HAVE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE PDAS WEEEEH WEEEEH

Since all this does is proof he is a big crybaby I suggest we actually discuss the subject.



I think having 2 items is clunky and the seperation of which program goes into what device would be almost certainly arbitrary.

Porting everything over to tablets is fine.

I still think the download manager and file system are horrible and should be shafted.

Sorry Oxford minimum wage in Ontario is eleven bones an hour

Xhuis wrote:Wow. I don't know if these are the true colors of some people I thought I knew, or just the flags they wave when reasonable conversation goes into the dumpster.
I think it's about time to lock this thread.

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So innocent Xhuis, they brought it upon themsleves, nobody asked them to do anything.

captain sawrge wrote:Learn to code or fuck off.

You're not exactly helping to adjust Oxfords attitude, whoever you are.

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I mean there is a consensus opinion, i would initially say that PDA's with TGUI might not work because of the previously simplistic button system that uses a small amount of screen space.

I'm not looking to adjust anyone's attitude. Your input as one single player means nothing. No one here is being paid. Donations are just that and are done entirely out of the gratitude of those financing the server. It is not anyone's "job" to do anything.

If you're not going to contribute to the codebase, you don't have any right to expect people to bend over and do things your way. It's as simple as that. The codebase isn't beholden to the server and certainly not to the vocal minority of people convinced coders have any level of obligation towards them.

captain sawrge wrote:I'm not looking to adjust anyone's attitude. Your input as one single player means nothing. No one here is being paid. Donations are just that and are done entirely out of the gratitude of those financing the server. It is not anyone's "job" to do anything.

If you're not going to contribute to the codebase, you don't have any right to expect people to bend over and do things your way. It's as simple as that. The codebase isn't beholden to the server and certainly not to the vocal minority of people convinced coders have any level of obligation towards them.

i'll pay the codebase to bend to my will

can confirm five cents every month if you do my bidding

I am not privvy to the exact values, but judging by the number of banner slots each person has Rocktben, HG, and oranges provide ~225 dollars to the server monthly. Two ex head coders and an ex maintainer, all with long histories of contributing. Other big donor is J_mad and he also codes.

So coders also pay for the server, or at least most of it.

Kor wrote:I am not privvy to the exact values, but judging by the number of banner slots each person has Rocktben, HG, and oranges provide ~225 dollars to the server monthly. Two ex head coders and an ex maintainer, all with long histories of contributing. Other big donor is J_mad and he also codes.

So coders also pay for the server, or at least most of it.

i'll match their donation for the next three months if you fix PDA code.

EDIT:

if throwing money at you in the future will get you to either A: stop merging unpopular ideas or B: fix broken or aged code or C: do something the player base wants i will gladly do so

not referring to you directly kor, you get the point.

John_Oxford wrote:i'll match their donation for the next three months if you fix PDA code.

I'm working on a PDA code fix, get your wallet ready

I think it comes down to that people would probably be more or less happy with tablets or with PDAs, but nobody's happy with both.

Kind of ironic given that PDAs are limited in function and customisability but easy to use, while no one but the autistic wants to touch tablets because they're too complicated and no one really knows what the hell they're actually good for. It's pretty much the opposite of their real life equivalents.

Just don't bite oxford posts or fwoosh posts lol

time to do pdas --> tablets in my big network refactor without even reading the threads because >forum drama!

just rnemae tablet st oPDSA and chane the sprite and call it a PDA overhaul and all the idiots mad about tihs will nevr know

sawrge did you pass out on the keyboard?

this thread may be the densest object on the forum

oranges wrote:this thread may be the densest object on the forum

Not as dense as you lmao

Gott'em

I regret reading any of the posts in this thread.

Jordie0608 wrote:I regret reading any of the posts in this thread.

Even mine?

Especially yours.