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Bluespace Pipes are stupid.

They are undetectable if you just bother to put it under a wall and you can make as many as you want from the pipe machine.

You can even transfer gas across unconnected z-levels because bluespace.

This lazy feedback for a lazy feature.

I have no idea what his is, but it sounds stupid.

cedarbridge wrote:I have no idea what his is, but it sounds stupid.

http://www.github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/30863

Basically pipes you don't need to connect directly.

It needs 2 things, it needs to require research to make them, and they need to be always visible, even when covered with floortiles.

Other than that, I absolutely love the pipes for things like making it easier to send fuel to the turbine.

Dr_bee wrote:It needs 2 things, it needs to require research to make them, and they need to be always visible, even when covered with floortiles.

Other than that, I absolutely love the pipes for things like making it easier to send fuel to the turbine.

my main issue with this is

it needs to require research to make them

gating it behind research is gating it behind mining, when theres an already hectic round going on
lowpop suffers because of this
highpop suffers because of this

They shouldn't be working under walls, that's a bug

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/ ... -336610188

this made me chuckle

I don't know, it's a cool idea, but it seems pretty easy to hook one up to the plasma reserve and low effort flood shit

These were poorly implemented and I intend to rework them soonish.

The goal was to get atmos techs actually building stuff instead of just clicking pre-built pumps and setting them to max. I haven't been online much to spectate, but if people are actually using them and putting effort into their atmos rounds then I'll consider them a success.

Of the suggestions thus far, the only one I support is making them always visible, even under walls. That would be a pretty uncontroversial, welcome change.

They are the opposite of effort though. Setting up a proper flood requires effort, with those you can flood any place in seconds without even touching air alarms

If you are going to scream over research gating them cargo gate them instead.

Roundstart "why do we even have a pipenet?" magic pipes is fucking piss poor conceptually.

Incomptinence wrote:If you are going to scream over research gating them cargo gate them instead.

Roundstart "why do we even have a pipenet?" magic pipes is fucking piss poor conceptually.

Cargo gating sounds like a better idea than research gating. They are a nice tool but they need more restrictions than none at all for being how powerful they are.

with some sort of gate you have to at least let someone else know that you are going to use the pipes in typical play, which gives EZ-flooding a counter, and rewards using the actual pipe net with the element of surprise.

This sounds like a low effort feature that encourages a lazy playstyle

And now they're gone. I feel like this thread accomplished something.

They just need to be gated, seems a bit low effort to remove them outright

It is low effort. I intend to reimplement these myself once I finish up with a couple other projects. I don't want to gate them behind anything, but I do want to change some things.
My rough idea:
Reimplement as a Bluespace Gas Pump. Can be set to either send or receive. Links up via frequencies. Can't output as high pressure as a regular pump. Can link one input to several outputs, but gas is split evenly between them. Cannot link several inputs to one output. Always visible under floors/walls(?).

Thoughts?

They really have to be gated to not be overpowered bs unless you make them bad at pumping

You can hardcap their pressure to somethign lower than typical pumps and make them about as efficient as a regular gas pump, making them terrible for flooding.

There is a way to get around the hardcap but there wouldn't be for the poor efficiency

I would rather they keep the current power but only be limited to 2 existing in a given round. Have them be similar to the hand tele, tele-armor, and advanced magboots in that sense.

So this cancer was finally allowed into the game. RIP atmos simulator.

oranges reverted them don't worry