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Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:59 am**

Finally completed the wiki page for brain traumas: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Brain_Trauma.

I could use opinions on existing traumas as well as ideas for new ones, as the list is still kind of small.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:30 am**

Is split personality still in?
Can I get it from cloning?

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:36 am**

It's in, and cloning doesn't deal enough damage to cause severe traumas. I might change that in the future, though; early clones coming out paralyzed due to nerve damage does sounds realistic.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:37 am**

Minor trauma idea: Muscle spasms. Causes you to “use” whatever is in your hand. Anything from randomly firing a gun to setting off a flashbang.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:40 pm**

Coded! I'll PR it when i have a few ideas to bundle together, to save my GBP.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:16 pm**

Can you still do emotes when paralyzed?

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:12 pm**

Mild: You struggle to gain control of your body. Stuns last twice as long.
Your hands shake. Firing a gun is always inaccurate (like when dual wielding).
Don't have your totin'chip. Attacking with a sharp item always hurts you (like glass shards)
Prosopamnesia. Everyone is unknown.

Severe: You've forgotten how to breathe. Gains the cursed heart effect where they must manually pump it.
No guns. No guns, maybe in clown fashion maybe in hands too big.
Running with scissors. Moving while you have a sharp item out has a chance to attack you.
(Joke referencing the identity system overhaul). You don't get to see names of who's speaking over the radio, only in person.

That should be enough to get both lists up to 10 options?
The specials are cool but I have no good balanced ideas for them.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:28 pm**

Cerebral bindness: extensive damage to the brain's frontal lobe

Nitpick but the visual cortex is in the occipital lobe

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:13 pm**

Grazyn wrote:
Cerebral bindness: extensive damage to the brain's frontal lobe
Nitpick but the visual cortex is in the occipital lobe

I know i'd get something wrong.

Nabski, i actualy had Prosopamnesia, agnosia, or whatever coded and functional, but it was an ungodly snowflakey mess and had to strip it for every coder's sanity.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:30 pm**

I had a rather ridiculous idea for a special trauma. It attempts to convert you to a cultist (blood or clock, 50/50 chance for either). You don't get a tome/slab - just the antag status. You can still get the tome/slab from an emagged library console, so you can properly start a cult.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:50 pm**

Grazyn wrote:
Cerebral bindness: extensive damage to the brain's frontal lobe
Nitpick but the visual cortex is in the occipital lobe

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/33395

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:02 pm**

Minor
You feel like you have 2 left feet: you stumble and fall while walking
Low attention span: You sometimes become a nonhostile mob and walk around aimlessly for a short while
(Also, can you add phobias for ALL races (or at least fly people))
Major
Pacifism:You can not switch to harm mode nor shoot any leathal gun
Reverse Phantom pain: You cannot use one of your arms/legs but can still recive damage from it
Special
Increased reflexes: high/full projectile dodge chance
Psionic aptitude: gives you a random wizard spell/special spell

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:03 pm**

calzilla1 wrote:Minor
You feel like you have 2 left feet: you stumble and fall while walking
Low attention span: You sometimes become a nonhostile mob and walk around aimlessly for a short while
(Also, can you add phobias for ALL races (or at least fly people))
Major
Pacifism:You can not switch to harm mode nor shoot any leathal gun
Reverse Phantom pain: You cannot use one of your arms/legs but can still recive damage from it
Special
Increased reflexes: high/full projectile dodge chance
Psionic aptitude: gives you a random wizard spell/special spell

these are all great ideas except for psyonic aptitude

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:05 pm**

Armhulen wrote:
calzilla1 wrote:Minor
You feel like you have 2 left feet: you stumble and fall while walking
Low attention span: You sometimes become a nonhostile mob and walk around aimlessly for a short while
(Also, can you add phobias for ALL races (or at least fly people))
Major
Pacifism:You can not switch to harm mode nor shoot any leathal gun
Reverse Phantom pain: You cannot use one of your arms/legs but can still recive damage from it
Special
Increased reflexes: high/full projectile dodge chance
Psionic aptitude: gives you a random wizard spell/special spell
these are all great ideas except for psyonic aptitude

Well, i said special spell like spells specially made for PA maybe like brain blast or a better form of telekinesis

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:06 pm**

calzilla1 wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
calzilla1 wrote:Minor
You feel like you have 2 left feet: you stumble and fall while walking
Low attention span: You sometimes become a nonhostile mob and walk around aimlessly for a short while
(Also, can you add phobias for ALL races (or at least fly people))
Major
Pacifism:You can not switch to harm mode nor shoot any leathal gun
Reverse Phantom pain: You cannot use one of your arms/legs but can still recive damage from it
Special
Increased reflexes: high/full projectile dodge chance
Psionic aptitude: gives you a random wizard spell/special spell
these are all great ideas except for psyonic aptitude
Well, i said special spell like spells specially made for PA maybe like brain blast or a better form of telekinesis

i can code brain blast very easily.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:13 pm**

Does brute damage to the head cause brain damage?

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:26 pm**

Crits only, they also have a separate chance of directly causing a Concussion brain trauma. Deconverting revs by beating their heads in is gonna be problematic.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:30 pm**

calzilla1 wrote:Minor
You feel like you have 2 left feet: you stumble and fall while walking
Low attention span: You sometimes become a nonhostile mob and walk around aimlessly for a short while
(Also, can you add phobias for ALL races (or at least fly people))
Major
Pacifism:You can not switch to harm mode nor shoot any leathal gun
Reverse Phantom pain: You cannot use one of your arms/legs but can still recive damage from it
Special
Increased reflexes: high/full projectile dodge chance
Psionic aptitude: gives you a random wizard spell/special spell

2 left feet: sorta overlaps with muscle weakness, it needs more of a niche
Low attention span: Looks good, but either i code an AI system for it or it's just a stun with random movement.
Pacifism: Nice, i'll add that.
Phantom Pain: Can't do that unless i heavily refactor limb code i'm afraid.
Increased Reflexes: Maybe i can make it work as a martial art, i'll have to look into combat code.
Psionic Aptitude: i'd really like making a set of psionic spells, and giving one at random.

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:45 pm**

XDTM wrote:Crits only, they also have a separate chance of directly causing a Concussion brain trauma. Deconverting revs by beating their heads in is gonna be problematic.

So does this mean that getting shot in the head doesn't cause brain damge either?

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:45 pm**

Armhulen wrote:
calzilla1 wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
calzilla1 wrote:Minor
You feel like you have 2 left feet: you stumble and fall while walking
Low attention span: You sometimes become a nonhostile mob and walk around aimlessly for a short while
(Also, can you add phobias for ALL races (or at least fly people))
Major
Pacifism:You can not switch to harm mode nor shoot any leathal gun
Reverse Phantom pain: You cannot use one of your arms/legs but can still recive damage from it
Special
Increased reflexes: high/full projectile dodge chance
Psionic aptitude: gives you a random wizard spell/special spell
these are all great ideas except for psyonic aptitude
Well, i said special spell like spells specially made for PA maybe like brain blast or a better form of telekinesis
i can code brain blast very easily.

Spoiler:

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:54 pm**

I suggested a similar thing on the PR itself tbh

Psychic Unlock:
By random chance, the trauma the patient has received has caused them to gain psychic powers! The odds of this happening are incredibly rare, make sure to inform Nanotrasen of this and submit the crewmember to further study.
Effects: Patient gains the following abilities: Whisper (One-way telepathic messages to someone in their line of sight), Psychic scream (Behaves the same way as the Changeling ability), Telekinesis (as the genetics power), Blind (as the Wizard spell) and Astral Projection (Temporarily leave your body and become an incorporeal, ghostly duplicate of yourself and leaving your body comatose for the duration. Incorporeal duplicates can pass through walls and see Revenants/ghosts but cannot hear them, they also cannot use machinery or pick-up items and will die in one hit, sending them back to their bodies but cause the body to throw up and suffer stamina damage.)

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:57 pm**

lmao no we're not making brain damage turn you into a wizard

programming on the other hand

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:08 pm**

Speaking about brain blasts, when can we have the Jimmy Neutron hair style?

Posted: **Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:19 pm**

Major trauma: Crawling in my skin.
The patient believes that spiders are under their skin, and will periodically rip and tear and their own arms to get them out.
Broken self-analysis.
Patient can no longer tell if they're damaged or not.
Forgotten tongues.
What are people saying? You can't remember anything about galatic common. It's all goobledegook.

Minor trauma: Speaking in tongues.
Every few sentences, spin the wheel of languages and speak in it.

Special trauma: Out of body experience.
Every few minutes, ghost the patient for a few seconds. Return them shortly after.

Posted: **Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:14 pm**

Here's another severe one, since eyes see the world upside down and the brain flips it right way up, just break that part of the brain, have them see everything upside down.
It's an easy effect to code too, just apply a matrix to their client's plane masters (like with Rotatium and Skewium)

Posted: **Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:16 pm**

Special Trauma: Mimery
Gives someone the mutism and powers of a true mime, only they can't break their vow of silence

Posted: **Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:25 pm**

Remie Richards wrote:Here's another severe one, since eyes see the world upside down and the brain flips it right way up, just break that part of the brain, have them see everything upside down.
It's an easy effect to code too, just apply a matrix to their client's plane masters (like with Rotatium and Skewium)

i'll code it!!

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:25 am**

Special trauma: Big Iron

Causes the victim to hallucinate cowboys and roman legionaries. Plays western music in his head and gives him an urge to gamble

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:10 pm**

Godwoken is dumb, people say it's rare but every other round I see in the admin logs: So and So has used VoG to do... and I know it's not a colossus kill because he's not even a miner.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:36 pm**

Consider that we're in the honeymoon phase of the feature where everyone wants to try it, i bet it'll become rarer as time passes. Still, i don't really like godwoken used tactically; i want powers to be mostly uncontrolled.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:17 pm**

Shouldn't GodWoken manifest randomly? Like force you to randomly speak random words so it can be a problem at inopportune times, like it telling all your allies to go to sleep in the middle of a fight

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:49 pm**

It was originally like this, but it only resulted in people spamming the same phrase until it triggered. The PR that is up right now changes it into a 15 second window instead, triggering randomly.

EDIT: Reading again i see you meant random words, and while that does make it very uncontrollable, a predetermined list of phrases breaks immersion too much imo. Either i make a list of barebones commands, which feels metagamey, or i make a list of extended phrases which will be jarring when they eventually get repeated.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:37 am**

Why not just make it a random list of words in Latin.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:52 pm**

Then it has no effect at all!

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:55 pm**

what if you have it so that if they say the same phrase too many times within a minute your tongue explodes

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:01 pm**

XDTM wrote:Then it has no effect at all!

Yeah but it looks cool and you could make the random Latin words have random effects. Or have the words come out at random in the middle of conversation.

;HoP please come to the MORTIS line I need an ID change.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:19 pm**

"; help being DEUS VULT, INFIDEL"

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:25 am**

That's a shit special perk if it's just occasional loudtext.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:36 am**

To be honest you shouldn't have any control over it. It should force you to say a random command at random times without your direct input.

Could be good, could be bad - Let God decide.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:17 pm**

Anonmare wrote:To be honest you shouldn't have any control over it. It should force you to say a random command at random times without your direct input.

Could be good, could be bad - Let God decide.

let ghosts vote for it like with the magic 8 ball

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:39 pm**

i tabled gouty then he gave me a fucking concussion so i went and stole his autistic-sized load of cargo money. ten out of fucking ten addition im proud of u my man

Posted: **Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:25 pm**

How about Fugue states, in which your character is standing still comatose but your camera appears to be controlling a fake version of you that cant interact with items and such, until it ends and you suddenly revert back to normal where your real body is.

Only downside to this is you could get real information from this.

Another idea would be sociopathy, in which you no longer get "seizes up limp and lifeless" messages, don't see emotes at all, and cant examine people to see their injured state.

Depression would be a easy thing to add, as it could just be a global speed debuff and a reduced stamina maximum, maybe with some forced emotes and fluff messages to add flavor.

You could basically add any mental illness that can be caused by brain trauma

Posted: **Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:25 pm**

PTSD: You occasionally get flashbacks to what gave you brain damage or any combat before that point.

Posted: **Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:17 pm**

Some of these ideas are really cool, but can't feasibly be coded without extreme snowflake. For example, for sociopathy i'd have to put a check in visible_message (an extremely generic proc) to prevent people with one specific trauma from hearing one specific message.

Posted: **Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:22 pm**

Paranoia: You see people as various kinds of antagonist in generic gear, hear gunshots/e-swords/explosions/bombs beeping and randomly hallucinate people attacking you. It should be hard as possible to distinguish from reality.

Posted: **Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:34 pm**

Anonmare wrote:Paranoia: You see people as various kinds of antagonist in generic gear, hear gunshots/e-swords/explosions/bombs beeping and randomly hallucinate people attacking you. It should be hard as possible to distinguish from reality.

Only noises really, the rest ends up being really boring "o I'm hallucinating"

Severe Trauma: Inner Demon
A slow mob that goes through walls and cannot be killed, if it touches you, you instantly commit suicide. It will follow to the ends of the station to find you, teleporting to new z-levels if you enter them

Posted: **Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:35 pm**

Armhulen wrote:
Anonmare wrote:Paranoia: You see people as various kinds of antagonist in generic gear, hear gunshots/e-swords/explosions/bombs beeping and randomly hallucinate people attacking you. It should be hard as possible to distinguish from reality.
Only noises really, the rest ends up being really boring "o I'm hallucinating"

Severe Trauma: Inner Demon
A slow mob that goes through walls and cannot be killed, if it touches you, you instantly commit suicide. It will follow to the ends of the station to find you, teleporting to new z-levels if you enter them

XDTM if ya give me the heads up I'll code this one for real since it's easy enough

Posted: **Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:04 am**

Armhulen wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
Anonmare wrote:Paranoia: You see people as various kinds of antagonist in generic gear, hear gunshots/e-swords/explosions/bombs beeping and randomly hallucinate people attacking you. It should be hard as possible to distinguish from reality.
Only noises really, the rest ends up being really boring "o I'm hallucinating"

Severe Trauma: Inner Demon
A slow mob that goes through walls and cannot be killed, if it touches you, you instantly commit suicide. It will follow to the ends of the station to find you, teleporting to new z-levels if you enter them
XDTM if ya give me the heads up I'll code this one for real since it's easy enough

I'd rather avoid making traumas lethal, especially with a noclone attached. If i put that in i guarantee you there's gonna be salt if sec jails someone with an inner demon.
Running away from things in general is not a game-friendly mechanic either, really, because either you easily outrun it or circumstances make it impossible, and neither is engaging, imo.

Posted: **Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:44 am**

XDTM wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
Anonmare wrote:Paranoia: You see people as various kinds of antagonist in generic gear, hear gunshots/e-swords/explosions/bombs beeping and randomly hallucinate people attacking you. It should be hard as possible to distinguish from reality.
Only noises really, the rest ends up being really boring "o I'm hallucinating"

Severe Trauma: Inner Demon
A slow mob that goes through walls and cannot be killed, if it touches you, you instantly commit suicide. It will follow to the ends of the station to find you, teleporting to new z-levels if you enter them
XDTM if ya give me the heads up I'll code this one for real since it's easy enough
I'd rather avoid making traumas lethal, especially with a noclone attached. If i put that in i guarantee you there's gonna be salt if sec jails someone with an inner demon.
Running away from things in general is not a game-friendly mechanic either, really, because either you easily outrun it or circumstances make it impossible, and neither is engaging, imo.

hm

Posted: **Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:42 am**

>In-depth wiki documentation for a new feature

You are doing god's work, my dear friend

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