/tg/Station 13

iamgoofball wrote:Literally all this does is save you clicks and prevent carpal tunnel

TribeOfBeavers wrote:I made a bunch of the macros and I found the reason it was so strong is that you can input 1u amounts. It lets you make much smaller versions of most recipies (most importantly you can make minimum 3u oil instead of 15u) which lets you do more in one beaker.

If 5u was the minimum it'd be more of a way to mass produce simple chems instead of complex ones.

iamgoofball wrote:Literally all this does is save you clicks and prevent carpal tunnel

Oldman Robustin wrote:"Number of clicks" is practically the only form of balance we have for gating non-antag weaponry.

Removing it is a BIG DEAL.

It also highlights one of the problems of chemistry: People are just Wiki pasters.

Why dont we just replace all the chem buttons with all the (non-traitor) chems on the Wiki page and call it a day?

I'm kinda shocked this got merged.

iamgoofball wrote:

Oldman Robustin wrote:"Number of clicks" is practically the only form of balance we have for gating non-antag weaponry.

Removing it is a BIG DEAL.

It also highlights one of the problems of chemistry: People are just Wiki pasters.

Why dont we just replace all the chem buttons with all the (non-traitor) chems on the Wiki page and call it a day?

I'm kinda shocked this got merged.

because balancing something around "does this person have a working mouse or working autoclicker and if so what's their cookie clicker CPM record" is dumb

CPTANT wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:

Oldman Robustin wrote:"Number of clicks" is practically the only form of balance we have for gating non-antag weaponry.

Removing it is a BIG DEAL.

It also highlights one of the problems of chemistry: People are just Wiki pasters.

Why dont we just replace all the chem buttons with all the (non-traitor) chems on the Wiki page and call it a day?

I'm kinda shocked this got merged.

because balancing something around "does this person have a working mouse or working autoclicker and if so what's their cookie clicker CPM record" is dumb

I agree its dumb.

However removing that restriction without putting something else in place is also dumb.

CPTANT wrote:
However removing that restriction without putting something else in place is also dumb.

Oldman Robustin wrote: At this point its just a Telescience-style knowledge gap where if you dont have a personal powergaming file shared on the forums then you're literally doing your job wrong - and just like telescience it's only a matter of time before it gets removed or gutted.

D&B wrote:>Mining page for damage breakpoint

That doesn't make player magically able to not die to goliaths

oranges wrote:there's more gameplay to mining than just the points, unlike chemistry

iamgoofball wrote:i did my best to balance the goonchem ports around the actual reagent effects and not the production time

if shit like tricord/bicard/kelotane becomes a problem from mass production and stacking that's not my problem lol, should of just not re-added them

iamgoofball wrote:>check the wiki for optimal supermatter setup
>check the medical page for best chem mixes
>check the R&D page for best 5 minute scien-oh wait we got rid of that one because time gates lol, wait
>check the R&D page for the optimal techweb path since its not randomized
>check the robotics page for best mecha combo
>check the slime page for best slime path
>check the cargo page for stock tips
>check the mining page for damage breakpoints
>check the security page to die

you can bitch about this after you've made every job procedurally generated with no way to metagame or powergame it

Deitus wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:i did my best to balance the goonchem ports around the actual reagent effects and not the production time

if shit like tricord/bicard/kelotane becomes a problem from mass production and stacking that's not my problem lol, should of just not re-added them

>I coded and merged this while knowing it could be very easily exploited but if it does get exploited it's not my problem

??????????????

EagleWiz wrote:So this lets you use an out of game pastebin with chem macros to be vastly better at ingame chemistry, and the feature is all but worthless without said out of game meta resource?
Between this, circuits, and an attempt to reward toxin mixes with much faster R&D research I wouldn't be surprised if goof tried to add a feature that awards traitors with extra TP for entering the correct password, as provided daily by Powergame Friends Discord.

iamgoofball wrote:

Deitus wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:i did my best to balance the goonchem ports around the actual reagent effects and not the production time

if shit like tricord/bicard/kelotane becomes a problem from mass production and stacking that's not my problem lol, should of just not re-added them

>I coded and merged this while knowing it could be very easily exploited but if it does get exploited it's not my problem

??????????????

I didn't readd tricord's recipe you fucknugget

Deitus wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:i did my best to balance the goonchem ports around the actual reagent effects and not the production time

if shit like tricord/bicard/kelotane becomes a problem from mass production and stacking that's not my problem lol, should of just not re-added them

>I coded and merged this while knowing it could be very easily exploited but if it does get exploited it's not my problem

??????????????

CPTANT wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:

Deitus wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:i did my best to balance the goonchem ports around the actual reagent effects and not the production time

if shit like tricord/bicard/kelotane becomes a problem from mass production and stacking that's not my problem lol, should of just not re-added them

>I coded and merged this while knowing it could be very easily exploited but if it does get exploited it's not my problem

??????????????

I didn't readd tricord's recipe you fucknugget

Why use tricord when your styptic and silver sulfadine patches heal instantly and without OD......

Seriously, what downside do you even think your own chems have?

PKPenguin321 wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:>check the wiki for optimal supermatter setup
>check the medical page for best chem mixes
>check the R&D page for best 5 minute scien-oh wait we got rid of that one because time gates lol, wait
>check the R&D page for the optimal techweb path since its not randomized
>check the robotics page for best mecha combo
>check the slime page for best slime path
>check the cargo page for stock tips
>check the mining page for damage breakpoints
>check the security page to die

you can bitch about this after you've made every job procedurally generated with no way to metagame or powergame it

nigger, a blind man could see how these things aren't the same
we removed NTSL in part because the extent of what it was used for was copy-pasting a .txt with no downside or real gameplay involved
instead of arguing against the copypaste part you're screaming about guides in general
reading a beginner guide on how to switch hands and then switching hands is not the same as pushing ctrl+c ctrl+v and getting 100u of instant death
all you are doing is strawmanning and deflecting blame onto trekchems (?!) for literally no reason except to draw attention from this because even you must know you don't have an argument

like i'm impartial to the feature at hand here but stop making yourself look like a complete retard in front of everybody, it's embarrassing and makes it hard to vouch for you

Deitus wrote:

Deitus wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:i did my best to balance the goonchem ports around the actual reagent effects and not the production time

if shit like tricord/bicard/kelotane becomes a problem from mass production and stacking that's not my problem lol, should of just not re-added them

>I coded and merged this while knowing it could be very easily exploited but if it does get exploited it's not my problem

??????????????

SpaceInaba wrote:reminder that goof is so retarded he got himself gitbanned by being a huge dick

kevinz000 wrote:Why bother responding to goof he doesn't play and he doesn't listen

kevinz000 wrote:Why bother responding to goof he doesn't play and he doesn't listen

Kor wrote:Deitus complaining repeatedly that goof merged his own PRs makes this thread worth it

Dr_bee wrote:While I am all for medicine interaction, looking at the PR it just looks like a hamfisted way to stop people from taking healing chems and a REALLY good way to accidentally or purposefully poison people.

It would be better if the chemicals still did what they were supposed to do but had more interesting side effects than toxin damage, although it would make sense for certain drug interactions to be toxic.

Also the topical stuff shouldnt have a drug interaction, as the brute one is just a powder that causes blood vessels to constrict on contact and another is just a topical antibiotic used for burns.

It would be better just to cap the amount of effective topical chems to like 20 or 30 units or something, and any more being used before the chemical gets out of the persons blood stream being wasted. Also they really shouldnt have any healing effect when in the bloodstream as they are literally just ointments not drugs.

Trekchems can have a place as slower, longer term more reliable healing, with some interactions if you mix them, like possibly headaches that cause you to drop things, liver damage, or mild toxin damage.

I mean the system is a neat base it is just the interactions themselves are kinda... shittily balanced and uninteresting.

Deitus wrote:the only funny (sad) thing is that head/admins constantly let you get away with this, but thats par for the course ive come to realize

oranges wrote:

Deitus wrote:the only funny (sad) thing is that head/admins constantly let you get away with this, but thats par for the course ive come to realize

What in the christ are you talking about.

Nowhere in your inconsistent fumbling rants, have you identified anyone even remotely responsible for `letting goof get away with`

jesus christ, do you have brain damage?

Floiven wrote:Another option that I recall someone mentioning was making a larger container (like a stationary cauldron or something) that would allow you to mix larger amounts of chems at once, that would effectively allow for mass production of needed things while cutting down the steps as well.

yorii wrote:

Floiven wrote:Another option that I recall someone mentioning was making a larger container (like a stationary cauldron or something) that would allow you to mix larger amounts of chems at once, that would effectively allow for mass production of needed things while cutting down the steps as well.

It's called stealing the space cleaner bottle at round start.