Martial Artists all being able to deflect bullets 100% of the time is stupid

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:04 pm #396495

They can use stun batons and are entirely immune to ranged attacks horseshit and then they still have attacks that instastun you 100% of the time as well

SpaceInaba · Post by **SpaceInaba** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:14 pm #396497

just throw batons at them you noob

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:26 pm #396501

SpaceInaba wrote:just throw batons at them you noob

There wasn't any security or ai responding we didn't have stun batons.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:27 pm #396502

Pepper spray if they don't have anything on their face

SpaceInaba · Post by **SpaceInaba** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:27 pm #396503

throw floor tiles at them until they die

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:28 pm #396505

If there was no security or AI or indeed any way to get batons, I'm not sure how guns would help you

FrozenGuy5 · Post by **FrozenGuy5** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:32 pm #396524

lol just make an ied explosive spear

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:37 pm #396526

tbh traitors having sleeping carp is awful and they should get cqc instead

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:58 pm #396529

Shaps-cloud wrote:If there was no security or AI or indeed any way to get batons, I'm not sure how guns would help you

Advanced Plasmacutters. Tell me how a motherfucker deflects kinetic blasts it's not like it's a bullet it's intangible

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:27 pm #396578

Their kung fu is stronger than yours, faggot.
If you think you can fight stronger kung fu, think again.

Nabski · Post by **Nabski** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:11 pm #396603

Tell us which bad man did this to you.

Dr_bee · Post by **Dr_bee** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:39 pm #396618

this entire problem could have been solved by throwing a glass of water in front of the traitor.

Post by **oranges** » Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:37 am #396834

people have literally given you at least 5 or more methods of countering martial artists

that you can't think of these on your own time is your own problem of being creatively bankrupt.

Any player in ss13 has a vast arsenal of tools that can annihilate even the most prepared combatant, you just have to not be lazy and do a little bit of prep work which I know is anathema to those of you who just want to click things until they go horizontal

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:05 am #397156

Carp can be pretty bullshit on a lowpop round tho, it's way worse than no-slips ever could be and they're player-count restricted

Heck even double e-swords are player count restricted and they're the inferior version of carp

Post by **Cobby** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:45 pm #398245

Replace carp in lowpop with the carp perks (no shooting but can't be shot either) but without the martial art.

An Evasion Implant of sorts :^)

ShadowDimentio · Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:10 pm

oranges wrote:people have literally given you at least 5 or more methods of countering martial artists

that you can't think of these on your own time is your own problem of being creatively bankrupt.

Any player in ss13 has a vast arsenal of tools that can annihilate even the most prepared combatant, you just have to not be lazy and do a little bit of prep work which I know is anathema to those of you who just want to click things until they go horizontal

SS13 is like an advanced version of rock-paper-scissors, there's counterplay for EVERYTHING you just have to not be a brainlet. So yeah it's impossible for most pubbies.

Post by **Armhulen** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:17 pm #398262

Cobby wrote:Replace carp in lowpop with the carp perks (no shooting but can't be shot either) but without the martial art.

An Evasion Implant of sorts :^)

this sounds pretty cool

Nabski · Post by **Nabski** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:18 am #398325

I only ever use it for the evasion implant, those combos are too hard.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:21 am #398424

https://gitgud.io

Dr_bee · Post by **Dr_bee** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:01 pm #398429

Nabski wrote:I only ever use it for the evasion implant, those combos are too hard.

15 damage punches and near instant grabs are also handy to have. but yeah the martial arts combo system is shit and should really be replaced with action buttons.

Post by **oranges** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:35 am #398588

that would get them nerfed once people actually started landing the combo's heh

Yakumo_Chen · Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:12 am

carp isn't that hard to deal with. You can still disarm them and knock them on their ass.

Incomptinence · Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:24 am

I dunno guarantee'd disarm seems a pretty easy combo.

Dr_bee · Post by **Dr_bee** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:51 am #398656

oranges wrote:that would get them nerfed once people actually started landing the combo's heh

I would take that trade off if they were actually seen. Right now pretty much no one uses any combo besides the disarm arm twist and MAYBE the knee to the chest stun.

Post by **Cobby** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:54 pm #398812

No true carp user argument here but if you aren't using the stun you're not using carp properly in terms of trying to be antagonistic with it.

Yakumo_Chen · Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:50 am

The grab stuns anyway so what's the point

SpaceInaba · Post by **SpaceInaba** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:57 pm #399171

Dr_bee wrote:
Nabski wrote:I only ever use it for the evasion implant, those combos are too hard.
15 damage punches and near instant grabs are also handy to have. but yeah the martial arts combo system is shit and should really be replaced with action buttons.

combos are easy if you memorize them just stop being bad I memorized the entire like 25 item sequence to max R&D, remembeing like four combos that either alternate or are only 3 hits long is the easiest thing ever and if you could insta special move people it would be super broken

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:32 pm #399198

Add the wrestling belt to syndicate surplus crates

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:09 pm #404924

Whats the difference between parasting and getting stunned by undetectable martial arts and getting crit before you get back up?

somerandomguy · Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:20 pm

CPTANT wrote:Whats the difference between parasting and getting stunned by undetectable martial arts and getting crit before you get back up?

People with martial arts don't also have a free revive/adrenals

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:34 pm #404933

somerandomguy wrote:
CPTANT wrote:Whats the difference between parasting and getting stunned by undetectable martial arts and getting crit before you get back up?
People with martial arts don't also have a free revive/adrenals

What if they are traitorling?

Post by **Armhulen** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:03 pm #404940

CPTANT wrote:
somerandomguy wrote:
CPTANT wrote:Whats the difference between parasting and getting stunned by undetectable martial arts and getting crit before you get back up?
People with martial arts don't also have a free revive/adrenals
What if they are traitorling?

yeah what if they become two antags at the same time

wait whaaaat that's strong??

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:12 pm #404943

Armhulen wrote:
CPTANT wrote:
somerandomguy wrote:
CPTANT wrote:Whats the difference between parasting and getting stunned by undetectable martial arts and getting crit before you get back up?
People with martial arts don't also have a free revive/adrenals
What if they are traitorling?
yeah what if they become two antags at the same time

wait whaaaat that's strong??

Hur durr, bullshit isn't a problem if it's only for traitorling.

Also it doesn't really change the fact that it is just another iteration of stungloves or parasting.

Post by **Cobby** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:44 pm #404949

parasting put you in a coma so you couldn't speak, you can still do ;help dorms with martial arts.

somerandomguy · Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:51 pm

Cobby wrote:parasting put you in a coma so you couldn't speak, you can still do ;help dorms with martial arts.

Until they knock the wind out of you

Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:45 am

CPTANT wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
CPTANT wrote:
somerandomguy wrote:
CPTANT wrote:Whats the difference between parasting and getting stunned by undetectable martial arts and getting crit before you get back up?
People with martial arts don't also have a free revive/adrenals
What if they are traitorling?
yeah what if they become two antags at the same time

wait whaaaat that's strong??
Hur durr, bullshit isn't a problem if it's only for traitorling.

Also it doesn't really change the fact that it is just another iteration of stungloves or parasting.

I'm pretty sure rolling both traitor and ling got removed

somerandomguy · Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:23 am

PKPenguin321 wrote:
CPTANT wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
CPTANT wrote:
somerandomguy wrote:
CPTANT wrote:Whats the difference between parasting and getting stunned by undetectable martial arts and getting crit before you get back up?
People with martial arts don't also have a free revive/adrenals
What if they are traitorling?
yeah what if they become two antags at the same time

wait whaaaat that's strong??
Hur durr, bullshit isn't a problem if it's only for traitorling.

Also it doesn't really change the fact that it is just another iteration of stungloves or parasting.
I'm pretty sure rolling both traitor and ling got removed

Happened to me just today after a wiz mulliganned

Davidchan · Post by **Davidchan** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:58 am #405040

Sleeping carp definitely needs to be toned down, for one more tc than a double esword you get better block, thats always on, is undetectable and doesn't have the same obnoxious sounds and can be used in direct conjunction with other bullshit.

And no, 'USE IED SPEAR' is not proper critism, having to munchkin to the most overpowered all access item in the game is not proper balance or borgs would be out right immune to anything that isn't a flash.

Dr_bee · Post by **Dr_bee** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:00 am #405057

Davidchan wrote:Sleeping carp definitely needs to be toned down, for one more tc than a double esword you get better block, thats always on, is undetectable and doesn't have the same obnoxious sounds and can be used in direct conjunction with other bullshit.

And no, 'USE IED SPEAR' is not proper critism, having to munchkin to the most overpowered all access item in the game is not proper balance or borgs would be out right immune to anything that isn't a flash.

double e-swords dont prevent you from using any ranged weapon in a game where ranged stuns are king and every sec officer has easy access to AOE stuns.

Think before you speak.

Davidchan · Post by **Davidchan** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:32 am #405061

Dr_bee wrote:double e-swords dont prevent you from using any ranged weapon in a game where ranged stuns are king and every sec officer has easy access to AOE stuns.

DE-sword deflect isn't active 24/7 once initialized or if some one manages to slip/disarm you. I can't disarm a sleeping carper and then kill him with his own fists if I outrobust him.

Think before you speak.

Heed your own advice.

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:14 am #405065

Dr_bee wrote:
Davidchan wrote:Sleeping carp definitely needs to be toned down, for one more tc than a double esword you get better block, thats always on, is undetectable and doesn't have the same obnoxious sounds and can be used in direct conjunction with other bullshit.

And no, 'USE IED SPEAR' is not proper critism, having to munchkin to the most overpowered all access item in the game is not proper balance or borgs would be out right immune to anything that isn't a flash.
double e-swords dont prevent you from using any ranged weapon in a game where ranged stuns are king and every sec officer has easy access to AOE stuns.

Think before you speak.

Damn those ranged stuns sure work great against someone with sleeping carp.

Anyway dealing with someone who is known to have martial arts isn't really my beef, it's the bullshit wind knocking that's just another iteration of parasting.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:09 am #405078

sleeping crap doesn't block flashbangs, gas grenades or pepperspray, does it?
can you deflect projectiles while stunned?

somerandomguy · Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:59 am

DemonFiren wrote:sleeping crap doesn't block flashbangs, gas grenades or pepperspray, does it?
can you deflect projectiles while stunned?

You definitely can't deflect a harmbaton while stunned

Yakumo_Chen · Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:04 am

I think you can still block while stunned, but not while unconscious. It's a total non-issue anyway since one stun can easily mean a harmbaton to the face.

Most people don't even use carp to murderbone from what I see. Most of the time when I find out someone has carp, it's because they were unlucky enough to get into the middle of combat and a stray shot made the loud WHIFF noise and identified me to it. Even if it's murderbone, the WHIFF noise is a massive tell and anyone alerted is going to switch tactics to melee stuns.

Yakumo_Chen · Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:13 am

Davidchan wrote:
Dr_bee wrote:double e-swords dont prevent you from using any ranged weapon in a game where ranged stuns are king and every sec officer has easy access to AOE stuns.
DE-sword deflect isn't active 24/7 once initialized or if some one manages to slip/disarm you. I can't disarm a sleeping carper and then kill him with his own fists if I outrobust him.

Messy logic. Carp is about as dangerous as a double esword if the carper gets stunned or slipped. Either way you can apply a large or sharp object directly to the face of the carper the same as an esworder.

Davidchan wrote:Sleeping carp definitely needs to be toned down, for one more tc than a double esword you get better block, thats always on, is undetectable and doesn't have the same obnoxious sounds and can be used in direct conjunction with other bullshit..

Actually Double Esword has a much better block. It deflects all of security's main ranged weapons (and has a good chance of deflecting the revolver), and on top of that has a 75% melee block rate. You have an incredible advantage with dual sword on top of also being able to do a one-two with a taser because people with double swords can still use guns. Not only that but the reflect means anyone that dumb to fire a taser at you is going to probably eat it themselves.

Neither item can mute either, and as soon as you hear on the radio "GRIFF MURDERBONE CARP KILLING ME" you might as well be running around with a dual sword in your hands. Compared to a double sword, carp doesn't kill very fast so most people can death rattle a lot more text.

Post by **Boris** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:52 pm #405118

DemonFiren wrote:tbh traitors having sleeping carp is awful and they should get cqc instead

Just that, carp is a trashfire, CQC isn't as much

Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:04 pm

*weaken punches ur path*

Doctor Pork · Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:18 pm

Pneumatic cannon full of knives dummy.

They don't count as bullets because they're knives. Glass shards and metal rods work too because embedding.

Post by **oranges** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:51 pm #405288

add dual esword back to lowpop so people stop complaining about sleeping carp

Rustledjimm · Post by **Rustledjimm** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:19 pm #405453

imo they should be able to deflect lasers but not actual bullets.

So a taser, e-gun or laser gun is useless but the detectives revolver or a shotgun would be good.

I mean unless it already works like this I dunno I don't play traitor much at all.