nuke op saw lmg is massively op

[Qustinnus]

it's a crowd control weapon, you are not supposed to run into it

that reminds me of this image and honestly its probably the tactic of the average TG player

[DemonFiren]

then how do you encourage those tactics instead?

[Anuv]

Current Bagil round had me in full HoS gear with a shield in crit with one burst, while also every single OP dying to an explosive lance. So.

[The Clowns Pocket]

Even fully armed, individually ops are weak to swarming.

One good disarm spam and that's it. Unfortunetly, once someone yells nuke ops...

[ShadowDimentio]

Nukers aren't supposed to stay around for long enough to get swarmed, they're supposed to strike and kill or at least strike and hide before they strike again.

[Anuv]

Wiz round ended with a single explosive lance, 100%, instantly thrown and killed seconds after. There's literally no counter to it.

[Kingfish]

you were the wiz janice, don’t lie

also, yeah, explosive lances are bs
they’re somewhat balanced by the fact you can only carry them on your back, but they’re still a one shot lol gg to anything that gets hit from it

[captain sawrge]

Huh, TIL nuke op saw lmg is massively op

[Dr_bee]

you were the wiz janice, don’t lie

also, yeah, explosive lances are bs
they’re somewhat balanced by the fact you can only carry them on your back, but they’re still a one shot lol gg to anything that gets hit from it

Does the shielded robe/hardsuit protect against explosions? if it doesnt it should, it would make it a more attractive purchase.

[Anuv]

you were the wiz janice, don’t lie

also, yeah, explosive lances are bs
they’re somewhat balanced by the fact you can only carry them on your back, but they’re still a one shot lol gg to anything that gets hit from it

I was but I would've made the same post regardless.

It's the fact that the sprite is so similar to a regular spear, in spite of what people say, with its instant knockdown/stun.

you were the wiz janice, don’t lie

also, yeah, explosive lances are bs
they’re somewhat balanced by the fact you can only carry them on your back, but they’re still a one shot lol gg to anything that gets hit from it

Does the shielded robe/hardsuit protect against explosions? if it doesnt it should, it would make it a more attractive purchase.

Last time I saw a nukie with a shielded suit getting hit by a lance, no. Instantly knocked down (or even gibbed I think)

[Qbmax32]

Wow it’s almost like average crewman #9175 shouldn’t run towards the big bad mercenary with the two handed military grade lmg!

[Mickyan]

My experience dealing with lmgs typically involve casually walking through a hallway and getting instacritted by an op spraying from the other side of the station, it may have its drawbacks but it hardly seems fair when you're on the receiving end

[DemonFiren]

Wow it’s almost like average crewman #9175 shouldn’t run towards the big bad mercenary with the two handed military grade lmg!

is there such a thing as a civilian-grade lmg though?

[somerandomguy]

Wow it’s almost like average crewman #9175 shouldn’t run towards the big bad mercenary with the two handed military grade lmg!

is there such a thing as a civilian-grade lmg though?

It's called the donksoft LMG with normal darts

[Arianya]

My experience dealing with lmgs typically involve casually walking through a hallway and getting instacritted by an op spraying from the other side of the station, it may have its drawbacks but it hardly seems fair when you're on the receiving end

No less fair then getting fireballed by a wizard who blinked into the room or getting 2 hit critted by a deswording madman.

The fact is that getting killed by most antagonists isn't meant to be "fair", since they are often fighting the weight of numbers arrayed against them. If everyone had a fair chance of killing a nukie in a straight fight the mode would sit at 0% winrate by pure virtue of 4-6 nukies vs 30-80 crew

[CPTANT]

You have far from unlimited ammo when using the SAW, you pay 6TC for every 50 bullets.

[Qbmax32]

Honestly if you want to nerf the saw because it’s “op” we might as well nerf everything else that can kill people quickly.
Bye bye to wiz fireballs, desword, c20r, ied lance etc because those silly unarmed crew memebers don’t know how to stay away from the guy carrying the weapon that can kill them!

[BeeSting12]

mfw getting hit by three bullets knocks me down
mfw getting hit by one bullet slows me down

its almost as if getting hit by a bullet has consequences

[DemonFiren]

I mean, getting hit by a speeding toolbox doesn't.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

The point about that fact that a hail of bullets can fly past the guy they were shot at and instacrit you 50 tiles down the corridor minding your own business is probbably the only semi-decent point made in this thread's favour

[D&B]

No corridor is that long and it takes quite a distance for a weapon of the LMG caliber to start suffering deceleration and less damage as the bullet travels.

[Lazengann]

The lance is what keeps overpowered murderboning in check and is an important part of the game

[kevinz000]

I wouldn't blame the ops for having powerful gear when the average op team is 5 vs 60 and here in tgstation every one of those persons can and just possibly will try their hardest to take you down with anything from a taser gun to instagib spears.
Even if said powerful gear will instacrit in one burst.

[Davidchan]

The lance is what keeps overpowered murderboning in check and is an important part of the game

This isn't the cuckshed.

[Yakumo_Chen]

None of the other guns can do worse then a stun and high damage though, including c20r. The DPS on an LMG is insane, and the armor pen bullets are an immediate crit, armor or not, if the burst hits you (if you're hit by one in the burst, it's almost always going to hit all three).

I've seen ops with this thing clear out entire rooms of crew without reloading, which the same can't reasonably be said about the c20r or the shotgun.

[somerandomguy]

None of the other guns can do worse then a stun and high damage though, including c20r. The DPS on an LMG is insane, and the armor pen bullets are an immediate crit, armor or not, if the burst hits you (if you're hit by one in the burst, it's almost always going to hit all three).

I've seen ops with this thing clear out entire rooms of crew without reloading, which the same can't reasonably be said about the c20r or the shotgun.

It's also a bit of a pain to reload though, compared to other guns

[Shadowflame909]

4 guys versus the entire crew. It's not as OP as a wizard, but its a good fodder weapon! If it's OP it's doing its job. (People should really get bullet armor instead of riot armor. you're silly if you think riot armor protects you from bullets.)

[Doritos]

literally every item and aspect of nuke ops are overpowered

[Dr_bee]

4 guys versus the entire crew. It's not as OP as a wizard, but its a good fodder weapon! If it's OP it's doing its job. (People should really get bullet armor instead of riot armor. you're silly if you think riot armor protects you from bullets.)

Bullet armor doesnt do shit due to the stupid amount of armor pen all ballistic weapons have by default.

Armor pen was a mistake, armor is only good for storage space at the moment.

Unrelated to the thread I know, but I would love to see armor pen on ranged weapons be removed across the board and keep it for melee weapons so they have a niche or something.

[Davidchan]

Takes 2 hands to fire, can't store it in your bag, exosuit storage, back slot or belt slot. Utter pain to reload. Costs as much as a desword (without any of the block) or a C20 and bullpup combined, not to mention how damn expensive the ammo can be.

[MMMiracles]

None of the other guns can do worse then a stun and high damage though, including c20r. The DPS on an LMG is insane, and the armor pen bullets are an immediate crit, armor or not, if the burst hits you (if you're hit by one in the burst, it's almost always going to hit all three).

I've seen ops with this thing clear out entire rooms of crew without reloading, which the same can't reasonably be said about the c20r or the shotgun.

the gun designed to hold a lot of ammo and spray said ammo can clear out an entire room without reloading?

a real thinker right there

[Cobby]

literally every item and aspect of nuke ops are overpowered

*captures Dante post*

[Shadowflame909]

Honestly if you want to nerf the saw because it’s “op” we might as well nerf everything else that can kill people quickly.
Bye bye to wiz fireballs, desword, c20r, ied lance etc because those silly unarmed crew memebers don’t know how to stay away from the guy carrying the weapon that can kill them!

The nuke ops nuke is overpowered. plz nerf

[blobbernaut]

Everybody defending the SAW because it's high commitment:

Why not give the ops a 300 TC instantly obtain the disk button? Or a 300 tc mech that can't be damaged in any way except by pulse lasers?

Just because something is high commitment doesn't mean you can put it at a power level that the station cannot fucking deal with.

[Shadowflame909]

yeah this weapon totally makes the ops instantly win

[blobbernaut]

yeah this weapon totally makes the ops instantly win

are you unable to interpret instances of exaggeration for the sake of making a point? Do you just not know how humans communicate or something? The point is that type of argument is invalid.

[oranges]

Alright this argument has gone on long enough



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