Virtual Reality Feedback/Ideas Thread

[somerandomguy]

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Mechpilot outfit, gives you a device that lets you call in a mech and equipment

[DemonFiren]

Mechpilot outfit, gives you a device that lets you call in a mech and equipment

we /titanfall/ now

[MMMiracles]

Mechpilot outfit, gives you a device that lets you call in a mech and equipment

remake titanfall in ss13

[Dax Dupont]

I'm unsure if kor is okay with more battle arenas at this point in time, I personally love the idea of mech combat.

[oranges]

someone else

our best contributor he gets so much done, what a guy

[Shadowflame909]

So, I've been informed that people have literally been banned over experimenting with in-game features. Ala causing too many explosions messing with gasses and the super matter. If we want people to embrace "Consequences" maybe we should make them less severe? Otherwise, this is the perfect fix. People can test things with other people, get real player vs player practice. Instead of testing them in the game we all take so seriously and getting punished.

Honestly, who the fuck wants a consequence for making the wrong decision anyway. It's why I'm so tense about admin remarks. It's not a VR problem, it's a policy problem! VR is just the real-time solution that adheres and works around the problem. If it gets removed, the "consequences" will still be a problem and still won't be toyed around with!

[Incomptinence]

Either just sims or hacking (honestly fuck how stupidly simple emag is) there should be ways to sneak in "u die in da game u die in real life" or at least minor damage in through equipment sabotage, high security measures or an enemy hacker.

Neural nets should be needed for better hacking and should make the consequences for getting fucked in the bad cyber way brain destruction.

[Grazyn]

So, I've been informed that people have literally been banned over experimenting with in-game features. Ala causing too many explosions messing with gasses and the super matter. If we want people to embrace "Consequences" maybe we should make them less severe? Otherwise, this is the perfect fix. People can test things with other people, get real player vs player practice. Instead of testing them in the game we all take so seriously and getting punished.

Honestly, who the fuck wants a consequence for making the wrong decision anyway. It's why I'm so tense about admin remarks. It's not a VR problem, it's a policy problem! VR is just the real-time solution that adheres and works around the problem. If it gets removed, the "consequences" will still be a problem and still won't be toyed around with!

I burned down toxins the other day because I missed the changelog that said that unwrenching pipes now makes them leak and I wasn't even bwoinked. Are people really getting banned for making mistakes or testing things? If you "experiment" with stuff and end up making accidents and explosions every round then yeah, this is a problem, but VR will only make it worse because now you're guaranteed to be noted or banned if you mess up because "should've tested in VR". The game moments I like the most are when I can teach a new guy how to do things, but with VR they'll have no incentive to since they can just try things on their own with no need to ask anyone.

VR is good as it is, a place to TEST YOUR MIGHT and try stuff and admin-only items that you'll never find in game. Also I'm looking forward to people getting warned for "griefing" in VR or starting an escalation because they spawncamped other players.

[Shadowflame909]

I burned down toxins the other day because I missed the changelog that said that unwrenching pipes now makes them leak and I wasn't even bwoinked. Are people really getting banned for making mistakes or testing things? If you "experiment" with stuff and end up making accidents and explosions every round then yeah, this is a problem, but VR will only make it worse because now you're guaranteed to be noted or banned if you mess up because "should've tested in VR". The game moments I like the most are when I can teach a new guy how to do things, but with VR they'll have no incentive to since they can just try things on their own with no need to ask anyone.

VR is good as it is, a place to TEST YOUR MIGHT and try stuff and admin-only items that you'll never find in game. Also I'm looking forward to people getting warned for "griefing" in VR or starting an escalation because they spawncamped other players.

VR doesn't really have that much to offer. Other then training with weapons until you get bored after 10 minutes and do something else other then shoot weapons. But, it's a good time waster that's better then someone griefing. Also people already spawn camp in VR. But it's not even an issue considering there are like 10 spawns and 5 are on each side of the huge map. Somehow spawning in the same one 10 times is just bad luck. It's pretty fun to die in VR honestly.

Also, yeah they're at least getting an admin remark if it affects the round in a huge way. Like someone flooding too much of a gas into the SM and then going to do there team antag goals. Accidentally ruining the round for there buddies because they made an unstoppable anomaly flooding tesla machine that went off while they were focused on something else. I'm just saying if you don't want people to get bwoinked for being experimental. Then maybe it's the rules that need a change and not this feature? "should of tested it in VR" wouldn't even be a thing if you change the policy on consequences!

[Grazyn]

Yes it is definitely a rules problem, you shouldn't be noted for making mistakes unless you're doing it often, or the circumstances around your mistake are suspicious of griefing.

People who want to test complex stuff like bomb mixing or atmos are already doing it on a private server, the reason is that rounds rarely are long enough to test anything, and on a private server they can have admin tools to better test stuff (like explosion size log). This doesn't make VR any better for testing, if anything it's worse because it would have a different map, and people would rather test it on the actual map to replicate it more easily.

This only leaves new players, and as I already said I think it's better they just learn like they've being doing for years, by asking other players in game or even ahelping

[Dax Dupont]

How many times do I have to state that VR isn't going to replace testing other than Loadouts. There's no way to make toxins, there's no virology or chemical testing either.

This is purely gonna be missions and the only testing stuff is gonna be playing with weapons you normally can't and trying out loadouts.

No player should and/or will ever be told "go try it in VR first or get bwoinked".

[Mickyan]

Emagged sleepers either need some kind of subtle tell or even better eject dead bodies, if you die in VR it's unlikely your body will ever be discovered since people either don't even notice the sleeper is occupied or just assume you're playing. At the same time you don't want people to randomly pull you out of VR just to check if you're dead, either.

Since they're in such a relatively remote area it feels like the sleepers get emagged every time there's traitors on the station and they're more like a death trap than a place to screw around in

[Bluespace]

make the sleeper bloody on the inside

[Grazyn]

Please just leave this tiny itty bit of paranoia in.

Always give your best in VR like it's real and you'll live

Also suit sensors exist

[iksyp]

reskin vr sleepers

[DemonFiren]

Please just leave this tiny itty bit of paranoia in.

Always give your best in VR like it's real and you'll live

Also suit sensors exist

[Mickyan]

Let me put it this way

I always turn on suit sensors, 3 out of the 4 times I tried VR they were emagged and I spent the rest of the round dead inside the sleeper

And that's why I'm not going to use VR ever again

[Grazyn]

After the first time you should've asked a doctor to periodically check your sensors because you were going in VR, in case it was emagged. Or the AI.

There are already valid tools to deal with it without resorting to a big "THIS SLEEPER IS EMAGGED DO NOT USE" sign

[DemonFiren]

But that would mean having to rely on someone else in my "I am awesome" simulator!

[oranges]

kor still equating vr to the actual game I see

[Anonmare]

Replace perma with VR sleepers you can't leave without outside assistance, or hacking them ahead of time.

Place prisoners into permanent VR storage, interrogate them in virtual cells, torture them and/or rehabilitate them through remedial programs.

[Grazyn]

Replace perma with VR sleepers you can't leave without outside assistance, or hacking them ahead of time.

Place prisoners into permanent VR storage, interrogate them in virtual cells, torture them and/or rehabilitate them through remedial programs.

We altered carbon boys

[Davidchan]

Add a master VR controller or something, like the holodeck that lets you swap or load up mini levels or attempt to restore to defaults if the area gets too fucked (I'm aware on larger maps this would cause severe lag or be outright impossible, but on smaller ones it should be workable. Its the same thing as the thunderdome.)

Allow someone go GM/DM the VR simulator, throw down furniture, snappable architecture and spawn mobs and gear to throw against the VR players or even simulate events like Xenos or being overrun by swarmers in VR. Robustness training begins here.

If the Perma option above is was enacted, GM could use prisoners as NPCs and actors for their minicampaigns.

Boss fight mode where megafauna, end of round events like ascended slings or other stupidly powerful VR entities could be fought with a varying array of gear to the syndicunt uplink items, to NT armory lasers and mechs as the GM/RNJesus allows.

[iamgoofball]

>add feature so people can test bombs and shit no problem no consequences
>Admins find excuse to ban for it

Amazing work guys

[Grazyn]

>add feature so people can test bombs and shit no problem no consequences
>Admins find excuse to ban for it

Amazing work guys

Is anyone really surprised by this?

[DemonFiren]

the sad thing is that goof is entirely correct

[somerandomguy]

Add a master VR controller or something, like the holodeck that lets you swap or load up mini levels or attempt to restore to defaults if the area gets too fucked (I'm aware on larger maps this would cause severe lag or be outright impossible, but on smaller ones it should be workable. Its the same thing as the thunderdome.)

Allow someone go GM/DM the VR simulator, throw down furniture, snappable architecture and spawn mobs and gear to throw against the VR players or even simulate events like Xenos or being overrun by swarmers in VR. Robustness training begins here.

If the Perma option above is was enacted, GM could use prisoners as NPCs and actors for their minicampaigns.

Boss fight mode where megafauna, end of round events like ascended slings or other stupidly powerful VR entities could be fought with a varying array of gear to the syndicunt uplink items, to NT armory lasers and mechs as the GM/RNJesus allows.

>be GM
>traitor in normal round
>spawn instagib rifles and eshields
>spawn telescrolls
>other traitor goes into VR
>teles out
>murders the whole station

[Davidchan]

Add a master VR controller or something, like the holodeck that lets you swap or load up mini levels or attempt to restore to defaults if the area gets too fucked (I'm aware on larger maps this would cause severe lag or be outright impossible, but on smaller ones it should be workable. Its the same thing as the thunderdome.)

Allow someone go GM/DM the VR simulator, throw down furniture, snappable architecture and spawn mobs and gear to throw against the VR players or even simulate events like Xenos or being overrun by swarmers in VR. Robustness training begins here.

If the Perma option above is was enacted, GM could use prisoners as NPCs and actors for their minicampaigns.

Boss fight mode where megafauna, end of round events like ascended slings or other stupidly powerful VR entities could be fought with a varying array of gear to the syndicunt uplink items, to NT armory lasers and mechs as the GM/RNJesus allows.

>be GM
>traitor in normal round
>spawn instagib rifles and eshields
>spawn telescrolls
>other traitor goes into VR
>teles out
>murders the whole station

If people are able to tele out of VR that's a code end problem. Much like how suicide verbs in VR kill you for real.

[somerandomguy]

Add a master VR controller or something, like the holodeck that lets you swap or load up mini levels or attempt to restore to defaults if the area gets too fucked (I'm aware on larger maps this would cause severe lag or be outright impossible, but on smaller ones it should be workable. Its the same thing as the thunderdome.)

Allow someone go GM/DM the VR simulator, throw down furniture, snappable architecture and spawn mobs and gear to throw against the VR players or even simulate events like Xenos or being overrun by swarmers in VR. Robustness training begins here.

If the Perma option above is was enacted, GM could use prisoners as NPCs and actors for their minicampaigns.

Boss fight mode where megafauna, end of round events like ascended slings or other stupidly powerful VR entities could be fought with a varying array of gear to the syndicunt uplink items, to NT armory lasers and mechs as the GM/RNJesus allows.

>be GM
>traitor in normal round
>spawn instagib rifles and eshields
>spawn telescrolls
>other traitor goes into VR
>teles out
>murders the whole station

If people are able to tele out of VR that's a code end problem. Much like how suicide verbs in VR kill you for real.

1) most things block it, telespell/scroll doesn't
2) ghost was changed, dunno about normal suicide

[Anonmare]

Just make VR objects incapable of existing outside of VR like holodeck items/mobs

[somerandomguy]

Just make VR objects incapable of existing outside of VR like holodeck items/mobs

And how do you tell if it's in vr

[Anonmare]

Make it an area check
Is this place a VR environment? If yes, continue existing. If not, QDEL self.

[somerandomguy]

Make it an area check
Is this place a VR environment? If yes, continue existing. If not, QDEL self.

How do you apply that to the item then

[Anonmare]

Just take the code from the holodeck in tgstation/code/modules/holodeck/area_copy.dm and alter it to apply to VR.

It's not my job to do the coder's jobs for them

[Anuv]

What about a VR lavaland with an armory full of KA mods and plasma cutters/different types of armor and large rooms with single megafauna. Let people practice on them without the risk of dying forever.

[somerandomguy]

What about a VR lavaland with an armory full of KA mods and plasma cutters/different types of armor and large rooms with single megafauna. Let people practice on them without the risk of dying forever.

Have one big room and a button that spawns a megafauna and deletes the exisiting one, so there's more space and reuseability

Also don't forget crushers, medipens, and (maybe) stabilized legion cores

[Dax Dupont]

What about a VR lavaland with an armory full of KA mods and plasma cutters/different types of armor and large rooms with single megafauna. Let people practice on them without the risk of dying forever.

no

[Shadowflame909]

What about VR but admins actually adminbussed me in VR I wanna melee a admin controlled megafauna ahhh.

[Pizzatiger]

What ever happened to the Raging mages VR idea?