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New coding direction/vision

Postby Zarniwoop » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:47 pm #465736

Can we get a break-down on what exactly this new direction the coders want to take the server in is? I keep seeing it being referred to but I haven't seen any details on what it actually is, as a whole.



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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby PKPenguin321 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:58 pm #465738

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby JStheguy » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:44 pm #465743

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby oranges » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:52 am #466093

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby Incomptinence » Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:41 am #466117

Why would a meteor bother telling pea brained dinosaurs it's going to hit?

Players are dead.

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby Lumbermancer » Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:47 pm #466315

Incomptinence wrote:Why would a meteor bother telling pea brained dinosaurs it's going to hit?

Players are dead.


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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby Cobby » Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:16 pm #466319

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby oranges » Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:36 am #466421

Incomptinence wrote:Why would a meteor bother telling pea brained dinosaurs it's going to hit?

Players are dead.

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby MisterPerson » Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:29 am #466429

Tip to OP: If you ask a more specific question, you might get a more specific answer.
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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby BeeSting12 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:31 am #466430

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby oranges » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:23 am #466454

BeeSting12 wrote:We're all children in the back of the van with oranges at the wheel going wherever he wants to go.

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby DrunkenMatey » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:49 am #466456

BeeSting12 wrote:We're all children in the back of the van with oranges at the wheel going wherever he wants to go.


Uncy Oranges, where are you taking us? Are we going to Wendy's? Do we get ice cream?

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby Shadowflame909 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:00 am #466458

DrunkenMatey wrote:
BeeSting12 wrote:We're all children in the back of the van with oranges at the wheel going wherever he wants to go.


Uncy Oranges, where are you taking us? Are we going to Wendy's? Do we get ice cream?


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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby Grazyn » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:17 pm #466504

BeeSting12 wrote:We're all children in the back of the van with oranges at the wheel going wherever he wants to go.

McDonald's?

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:47 pm #466529

MisterPerson wrote:Tip to OP: If you ask a more specific question, you might get a more specific answer.


We all know there will be no straight answer. Just making him make it as clear as possible. Not only does he think the players should shove it, he's above even describing his plans (or lack thereof) to the community in general. Sad if true.

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby kevinz000 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:22 pm #466537

sometimes the status quo is just something that should be kept

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby Farquaar » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:42 pm #466543

From the thread on prescanning/autocloning
oranges wrote:Point: Death should be a meaningful experience

Death has to be a serious event for players, because it leads to an increased sense of tension and criticality in decision making, which makes you feel more involved in the game and should hopefully make you feel more tense in dangerous situations.

Yes, I recognise that there are issues with people dying and having to leave the round for very long periods of time, so we do want to temper this point with options to get back in the round. However, I am of the strong belief that's it better to do this with ghost roles or significant gameplay changes like borging/becoming a pod person. These have significant ongoing gameplay impacts for you that make the death still meaningful, while allowing you to engage in the round again. I'm not convinced that simply losing gear, or your equipment on you is enough of a change to make death a meaningful experience, which was why I was unhappy with the prescanner and autoclone system in it's current form.

In general I believe that the formalisation of cloning from random bug to full game mechanic many eons ago started a bit of a trend towards a trivilisation of death that I would like to reverse in order to increase engagement with your character and their general health and wellbeing.

I'm not sure we're at the stage where a full removal of cloning would be acceptable so in the meantime I'm acting to mollify the worst of the issues by removing it's safety net factor by making it apply only after you're dead and only if your body is available.

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby Incomptinence » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:41 pm #466571

Do you really think oranges will say what he wants honestly? Man likes his japes.

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby oranges » Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:26 pm #466579

Incomp you dumb as fuck, even if you got what you wanted you'd still complain about it cause I guess it detracts from whatever sad pathetic existence you're living right now.

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby oranges » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:09 pm #466585

Also to answer your question OP, I intend to pretty much keep going on the course that we are going on, a large sandbox, with lots of interaction between systems to allow for lots of player flexibility, I only intend to trim around the edges some of the fat, and as mentioned, I have a personal issue with how meaningless death is at the moment.

My personal view is that the game is at it's best when you're forced to make meaningful tradeoffs, so I will always push for limiting peoples options when they make a choice (so it's a meaningful one).

The other issue I see right now is that some departments are effectively redundant due to lack of need (cargo and medbay) so we need to work on those areas to make them more meaningful.

I can't be specific about things because I have no power to actually implement anything short of developing it myself and I'm busy enough with reviewing other peoples PRs to the point where it's laughable to assume I'll manage any significant changes. So when people ask me what I intend to do I don't really understand how to answer that question.

As has always, always been the case, the people who decide the design direction for the game are actually the people who bring ideas to life, and I can't answer on behalf of other random people about what they might choose or choose not to do. I can only give guidance on how I might interpret someone’s change.

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby Mark9013100 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:02 am #466627

haha can't guarantee he'll finish his goal despite starting with a heavily contested(and still contested) change
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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby MrStonedOne » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:39 am #466637

It's almost like he's not some kind of dictator who tells people what to do, but a volunteer lead/head/manager/etc of an open source community where at the end of the day, action comes from the people who actually code, not the queens up top dictating shit.
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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby bman » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:19 am #466644

oranges wrote:Incomp you dumb as fuck, even if you got what you wanted you'd still complain about it cause I guess it detracts from whatever sad pathetic existence you're living right now.

bruh we're all memeing here dial it back
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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby oranges » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:38 am #466654

bman wrote:
oranges wrote:Incomp you dumb as fuck, even if you got what you wanted you'd still complain about it cause I guess it detracts from whatever sad pathetic existence you're living right now.

bruh we're all memeing here dial it back

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby somerandomguy » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:35 am #466679

>I can't code big things, the game is still most shaped by the people who actually code it
"doesn't code": the new version of the "doesn't play" meme

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby DrunkenMatey » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:09 am #466690

oranges wrote:Also to answer your question OP, I intend to pretty much keep going on the course that we are going on, a large sandbox, with lots of interaction between systems to allow for lots of player flexibility, I only intend to trim around the edges some of the fat, and as mentioned, I have a personal issue with how meaningless death is at the moment.

My personal view is that the game is at it's best when you're forced to make meaningful tradeoffs, so I will always push for limiting peoples options when they make a choice (so it's a meaningful one).

The other issue I see right now is that some departments are effectively redundant due to lack of need (cargo and medbay) so we need to work on those areas to make them more meaningful.

I can't be specific about things because I have no power to actually implement anything short of developing it myself and I'm busy enough with reviewing other peoples PRs to the point where it's laughable to assume I'll manage any significant changes. So when people ask me what I intend to do I don't really understand how to answer that question.

As has always, always been the case, the people who decide the design direction for the game are actually the people who bring ideas to life, and I can't answer on behalf of other random people about what they might choose or choose not to do. I can only give guidance on how I might interpret someone’s change.



OK but, are you taking us for ice cream at wendys or not?

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby oranges » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:36 am #466706

DrunkenMatey wrote:OK but, are you taking us for ice cream at wendys or not?

wendy's drive through but I'm ordering a single black coffee for myself

somerandomguy wrote:>I can't code big things, the game is still most shaped by the people who actually code it
"doesn't code": the new version of the "doesn't play" meme

DO you have something concrete to say or did you just want to add your 5cents

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby iamgoofball » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:39 am #466708

my problems with getting important shit merged disappeared 100% after just pinging oranges in irc and asking him what he thinks of the idea

no news is good news most times

this is literally all you have to do to not "waste time" developing, just ask them if it's okay first

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:12 pm #466754

iamgoofball wrote:my problems with getting important shit merged disappeared 100% after just pinging oranges in irc and asking him what he thinks of the idea

no news is good news most times

this is literally all you have to do to not "waste time" developing, just ask them if it's okay first


The fact that so much shitcode from you has been merged doesn't inspire confidence. Wonder if it has more to do with you two constantly suckin each other off than any legitimate merit to the code. Besides, you're banned from contributing so according to oranges you need to fuck off anyway.

Nice that we managed to trigger him into giving a real answer for once. Shame he can't do so without insulting folks, sure can't take it for how much he dishes it out.

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby Steelpoint » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:47 pm #466756

oranges is fine, at most he is loosely trying to direct the actions of people like a RTS commander, when everyone else is playing a pure solo FPS game.
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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby iamgoofball » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:43 pm #466760

let's break this trashy shitpost down


Zarniwoop wrote:The fact that so much shitcode from you has been merged doesn't inspire confidence.

care to source your criticisms? if you've got code quality suggestions that aren't shitposting about my 4 year old work, I'd love to check it out, if you can point to specific sections of the code.


Zarniwoop wrote:Wonder if it has more to do with you two constantly suckin each other off than any legitimate merit to the code.

im gay but oranges is taken, sorry


Zarniwoop wrote:Besides, you're banned from contributing so according to oranges you need to fuck off anyway.

Where has he said this?

Zarniwoop wrote:Nice that we managed to trigger him into giving a real answer for once.

Are you okay? You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with this.

Zarniwoop wrote:Shame he can't do so without insulting folks, sure can't take it for how much he dishes it out.

Once again, are you okay?

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby somerandomguy » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:14 pm #466786

oranges wrote:
DrunkenMatey wrote:OK but, are you taking us for ice cream at wendys or not?

wendy's drive through but I'm ordering a single black coffee for myself

somerandomguy wrote:>I can't code big things, the game is still most shaped by the people who actually code it
"doesn't code": the new version of the "doesn't play" meme

DO you have something concrete to say or did you just want to add your 5cents

not the only shitpost itt

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby oranges » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:11 pm #466795

Zarniwoop wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:my problems with getting important shit merged disappeared 100% after just pinging oranges in irc and asking him what he thinks of the idea

no news is good news most times

this is literally all you have to do to not "waste time" developing, just ask them if it's okay first


The fact that so much shitcode from you has been merged doesn't inspire confidence. Wonder if it has more to do with you two constantly suckin each other off than any legitimate merit to the code. Besides, you're banned from contributing so according to oranges you need to fuck off anyway.

Nice that we managed to trigger him into giving a real answer for once. Shame he can't do so without insulting folks, sure can't take it for how much he dishes it out.

hah like you would know what legitimate merit in code is, you wouldn't know that if it fell off the broadside of a barn and hit you in the face.

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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby obscolene » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:12 pm #466807

somerandomguy wrote:>I can't code big things, the game is still most shaped by the people who actually code it
"doesn't code": the new version of the "doesn't play" meme

"doesn't play" isn't a meme, it's an argument used against people who don't play the game yet think the game should be dictated the way they see fit. The same goes for "doesn't code." It's an open source codebase, if you want to see a change then code it yourself.
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Re: New coding direction/vision

Postby lmwevil » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:54 am #466828

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