Hygiene Removal

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Should Hygiene be Removed

Yes
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72%
No
25
26%
Abstain
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2%
 
Total votes: 95

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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Dax Dupont » #470949

Bottom post of the previous page:

https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=205

61.8% of players who voted dislike hygiene.

So when are we gonna see a removal PR?
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by 4dplanner » #470951

Who made that poll?

edit: ah, nervere
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Grazyn » #470954

Dax Dupont wrote:https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=205

61.8% of players who voted dislike hygiene.

So when are we gonna see a removal PR?
When you make the PR
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Dax Dupont » #470996

Grazyn wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=205

61.8% of players who voted dislike hygiene.

So when are we gonna see a removal PR?
When you make the PR
I don't have time to clean up so much shitcode sadly.
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by iksyp » #470997

Dax Dupont wrote:
Grazyn wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote: So when are we gonna see a removal PR?
When you make the PR
i'd rather complain
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Yakumo_Chen » #471004

Dax Dupont wrote:
Grazyn wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=205

61.8% of players who voted dislike hygiene.

So when are we gonna see a removal PR?
When you make the PR
I don't have time to clean up so much shitcode sadly.
Just drag it to the shower. That works, right?
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Qustinnus » #471024

headmin polls dont really matter in terms of whether or not something gets removed, just as much as a coderbus poll wont get an admin removed.
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by 4dplanner » #471070

hey guys improve don't remove am I right?
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by saprasam » #471128

i smell stink removal
nevermind nothing smells anymore
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by somerandomguy » #471264

Dax Dupont wrote:
Grazyn wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=205

61.8% of players who voted dislike hygiene.

So when are we gonna see a removal PR?
When you make the PR
I don't have time to clean up so much shitcode sadly.
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by actioninja » #471999

4dplanner wrote:hey guys improve don't remove am I right?
No, that only counts when it's something I like.
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Xeroxemnas » #472026

Almost 70 percent in favor of removing. Get rid of this filth (haha pun)
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Dax Dupont » #474374

somerandomguy wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:
Grazyn wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=205

61.8% of players who voted dislike hygiene.

So when are we gonna see a removal PR?
When you make the PR
I don't have time to clean up so much shitcode sadly.
Revert button
Revert button doesn't work after a bunch of changes and new mergers you chumbis
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by MisterPerson » #474400

Dax Dupont wrote:
somerandomguy wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:
Grazyn wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php?id=205

61.8% of players who voted dislike hygiene.

So when are we gonna see a removal PR?
When you make the PR
I don't have time to clean up so much shitcode sadly.
Revert button
Revert button doesn't work after a bunch of changes and new mergers you chumbis
You could revert each change individually. Granted if people made non-atomic commits, then you're reverting unrelated stuff. Either way it's not super trivially easy, but hey, nothing ever is, right?
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Grazyn » #474401

the ship has sailed, it's almost impossible to remove a feature after a bunch of other stuff dependent on it has been added
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Qustinnus » #474414

you guys act as if it's impossible to config hygiene. anyways the PR I was working on is almost done but I havn't had much time home yet due to uni so I gotta work on it for a bit more
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Shadowflame909 » #474449

The real issue from my perspective is, Hygiene and Moodlets would be acceptable on a server like paradise or Aurora. But not here. So, I'm honestly just wondering if Qustinnus knows which server he's coding for


And even better, what are his reasons for coding these things
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Grazyn » #474459

It will never become a config option because oranges doesn't like config options
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by MisterPerson » #474482

Grazyn wrote:the ship has sailed, it's almost impossible to remove a feature after a bunch of other stuff dependent on it has been added
It can get awfully messy :honk: :honk:
Grazyn wrote:It will never become a config option because oranges doesn't like config options
Rightfully so, config locking just means the server turns it off and 2 years from now someone realizes that dirtiness locks the server up if you turn it on. If you want it gone, it needs to be really, really gone. If some downstream wants it back they can just revert the removal.
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by iamgoofball » #474527

MisterPerson wrote:
Grazyn wrote:the ship has sailed, it's almost impossible to remove a feature after a bunch of other stuff dependent on it has been added
It can get awfully messy :honk: :honk:
Grazyn wrote:It will never become a config option because oranges doesn't like config options
Rightfully so, config locking just means the server turns it off and 2 years from now someone realizes that dirtiness locks the server up if you turn it on. If you want it gone, it needs to be really, really gone. If some downstream wants it back they can just revert the removal.
Config locks also let idiots who don't know how game design work make game design changes, too.
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Grazyn » #474586

MisterPerson wrote:
Grazyn wrote:the ship has sailed, it's almost impossible to remove a feature after a bunch of other stuff dependent on it has been added
It can get awfully messy :honk: :honk:
Grazyn wrote:It will never become a config option because oranges doesn't like config options
Rightfully so, config locking just means the server turns it off and 2 years from now someone realizes that dirtiness locks the server up if you turn it on. If you want it gone, it needs to be really, really gone. If some downstream wants it back they can just revert the removal.
It's funny how I know that and I'm not even a coder, which makes me think qustinnus is just messing with us when he pretends hygiene can be configed out
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by 4dplanner » #474611

Honestly I've not had any problems with hygiene since the latest update, it just forces you to not walk around covered in blood (which ruins my epic miner character)
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Vile Beggar » #474613

i agree with 4d, i've rarely had to shower, even if at all recently
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Gigapuddi420 » #474615

I don't have a problem with hygiene as it currently stands. I can spend all shift with bloody shoes and maybe have to shower a hour into the round, but if you get blood on your body it doesn't take too long before the stench comes. It means messy jobs like Miner/Cook might want to bathe more often while regular crew members just bathe as the situation demands. I'm kind of indifferent about it as a feature. I don't think it deserves the hate it gets in it's current state but I won't feel too bad if you decided to ditch it. I like people using showers and moving around a bit more I guess and more mechanics involving miasma are kind of neat. I'm happy enough to give it a shot like moodlets.
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Mickyan » #474623

Currently attacking in melee drastically drains your hygiene for every hit so any kind of fighting is more or less guaranteed to get you dirty very quickly

I'd either remove or greatly reduce it and increase the drain from having bloody clothes (if necessary) so that the drain mostly comes from neglecting to get rid of bloody clothes instead of instantly getting dirty just from being caught in a fight
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Shadowflame909 » #474654

I have another issue with hygiene

It keeps calling me a dumbass whenever I don't take off all of my clothes in the shower. Like wtf, I'm making myself vulnerable and I'm also getting bad moodlets?

Very painful.
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by zxaber » #474782

There was a PR by Qustinnus to remove the debuff but I guess it didn't take.

I understand not getting mood buffs or removing the stank overlay for clothed showering, but there's still other reasons to use the safety showers and the debuff is terrible. It's even worse now because it's not clear what counts as clothing (showering with shoes is fine but not welding helmets ¯\_(ツ)_/¯).

The mood system is only immersive when it links with the player. When you lose an arm, you are upset because it's harder to work with just one arm, and the debuff reflects that. When you constantly slip, you're upset with the constant interruptions (or worse) and the mood debuff reflects that too. But when you use a shower to put out a fire, you're generally happy, or at least a bit relieved for having that particular issue gone, and the debuff that you feel stupid, like you should have kept burning is a disconnect.
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by oranges » #474785

>debuff is terrible

it's a mood penalty just hug a corgi
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Shadowflame909 » #474802

oranges wrote:>debuff is terrible

it's a mood penalty just hug a corgi
what do we do when the greyshit killed Ian though Oranges

WHAT DO WE DO
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Post by zxaber » #474803

Killing anyone covered in Ian's blood should give a mood buff tbqh
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Yakumo_Chen » #474873

There's plenty of corgis in the holodeck you can go hug instead on Pet Park
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Post by iamgoofball » #474880

Shadowflame909 wrote:
oranges wrote:>debuff is terrible

it's a mood penalty just hug a corgi
what do we do when the greyshit killed Ian though Oranges

WHAT DO WE DO
sometimes you lose
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by WarbossLincoln » #474944

iamgoofball wrote: sometimes you lose
When we're playing a space themed autism simulator that now has stink fetish content, and you can cop a ban for killing a cat rolling around naked in public rambling about its stink fetish, do we ever not lose?
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Post by iamgoofball » #475138

WarbossLincoln wrote:
iamgoofball wrote: sometimes you lose
When we're playing a space themed autism simulator that now has stink fetish content, and you can cop a ban for killing a cat rolling around naked in public rambling about its stink fetish, do we ever not lose?
i dunno but you should RDM them every time you see them
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by wesoda25 » #475160

iamgoofball wrote:
WarbossLincoln wrote:
iamgoofball wrote: sometimes you lose
When we're playing a space themed autism simulator that now has stink fetish content, and you can cop a ban for killing a cat rolling around naked in public rambling about its stink fetish, do we ever not lose?
i dunno but you should RDM them every time you see them
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by somerandomguy » #475167

iamgoofball wrote:
WarbossLincoln wrote:
iamgoofball wrote: sometimes you lose
When we're playing a space themed autism simulator that now has stink fetish content, and you can cop a ban for killing a cat rolling around naked in public rambling about its stink fetish, do we ever not lose?
i dunno but you should RDM them every time you see them
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Post by WarbossLincoln » #475192

wesoda25 wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:
WarbossLincoln wrote:
iamgoofball wrote: sometimes you lose
When we're playing a space themed autism simulator that now has stink fetish content, and you can cop a ban for killing a cat rolling around naked in public rambling about its stink fetish, do we ever not lose?
i dunno but you should RDM them every time you see them
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Post by somerandomguy » #475199

That doesn't take them out of the round and is probably one of the best responses
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Post by wesoda25 » #501134

Victory at last
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wesoda25 wrote:Victory at last
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Post by leibniz » #501151

nice

lmao those "b-but I was about to fix it" comments..
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Post by oranges » #501245

I intend to bring it back with further changes, the removal is until we can improve it.
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Post by Super Aggro Crag » #501296

oranges wrote:I intend to bring it back with further changes, the removal is until we can improve it.
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Post by Farquaar » #501308

oranges wrote:I intend to bring it back with further changes, the removal is until we can improve it.
I'm fine with that. I look forward to it's return.
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by cedarbridge » #501313

Yeah but how to we get the players to actually bathe more than once in their lives?
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Shadowflame909 » #501323

Honestly, I think the real problem with Hygiene is that like mood, it literally used code to try and enforce new rules upon players.

If you want people to worry about dirty clothes, have the headmins make space-law enforced again. Now shitcurity is looking for any suspicious behavior like that.

Leave the rules to the rules, please. That's how it's been done everywhere else.
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by wesoda25 » #501335

mood isnt bad, I get the point of it. The difference is theres no point to hygiene.
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by oranges » #501369

Shadowflame909 wrote:Leave the rules to the rules, please. That's how it's been done everywhere else.
lol
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Post by Shadowflame909 » #501378

help nerbere orange man is seizing the means of rulemaking
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Re: Hygiene Removal

Post by Cobby » #501401

what rule does not going out of your department break?

There needs to be mechanical incentive to get a large portion of our players to do stuff
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