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So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Razharas » Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:56 pm #47602

Got caught in the explosion - say goodby to some of your items
You are a borg - tough luck, youll need module reset(or your cell broke and you are ded, or your MMI broke and you are gone for good)
Admins griff station with mass explosive vines - gg no re, everyone will be naked for the rest of the round
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Spacemanspark » Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:57 pm #47603

Who the hell thought this was a good idea.
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby iyaerP » Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:57 pm #47604

Kudzu is a random event. Also, explosions have always done this.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Spacemanspark » Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:00 pm #47605

iyaerP wrote:Kudzu is a random event. Also, explosions have always done this.

Uh... no they haven't. The only explosion before this that could destroy items was a PDA bomb... or being flatout gibbed in an explosion.
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Steelpoint » Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:01 pm #47606

I noticed a PR is up to fix borg modules being lost and having bomb protection reduce the chance of losing items.

https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/6175

Also, bombs have never destroyed clothing items and equipment that is on a person so long as said person survives the explosions (or just their body).

If explosions now destroy items on your body, I disagree with that change.
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby iyaerP » Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:21 pm #47614

Oh, I thought that being gibbed was what he was talking about. My mistake.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Braincake » Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:53 pm #47662

In that explosive-vines round most people ended up shoeless. It also exploded a multitool inside my toolbelt but left everything else intact. Kinda odd.

Without that sort of weirdness it might be better.
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby leibniz » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:20 pm #47682

RNG item destruction is retarded.
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby dezzmont » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:23 pm #47684

The game is set up to assume its hard to destroy stuff to the point there is snowflake code for some vital items to prevent it.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Reimoo » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:31 am #47722

Well, it makes sense that things caught in the direct center of the explosion are destroyed - but item destruction shouldn't be in light destruction areas. What's the distance limit to where stuff is destroyed now?

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Razharas » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:07 am #47735

No limit, the smallest of explosions can destroy your shoes or hyperzine pill in the pillbox in the medbelt in the box in the backpack in the boh on your back while not touching anything else

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby ExplosiveCrate » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:09 am #47737

This... doesn't sound like a feature that was tested too well. Or at all.
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby oranges » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:13 am #47738

Should've included a EXPLODE_IMMUNE flag

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby RG4 » Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:22 am #47782

What person thought this was a good idea at all? Que people running with IEDs or low yield explosives stripping everyone.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Steelpoint » Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:32 am #47785

Just to get rid of any confusion. People don't mind that items are destroyed when they are at the epicentre of a explosion, what people are not liking is that items worn by people are being destroyed.
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby RG4 » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:24 am #47795

Steelpoint wrote:Just to get rid of any confusion. People don't mind that items are destroyed when they are at the epicentre of a explosion, what people are not liking is that items worn by people are being destroyed.

So basically:
Getting your items nuked because you were near a Syndie dying or your PDA detonates not grand fuck you bombas?

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby lumipharon » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:56 am #47802

I saw watched a round with a few bombs - Jesus fuck they destroy everything.

One bomb near the brig, two people were in the outer limits of the blast, so they only took a tiny amount of damage/got knocked down for 10 seconds. However pretty much everything they were wearing/had equipped got destroyed.
Another bomb happened near medbay. A guy in deadchat summed it up pretty neatly when he asked >why are we all naked?

This is more silly then new poly melting all your shit, since it's rng and has massive range.
Permanent item destruction like this can be really frustrating for players, as they can lose important items (like traitor objectives) or shit that is simply difficult to replace. Even if you have nothing of particular rarity, it still takes longer then the cloning process just get get back all the shit you lost - potentially on top of getting cloned first.

Also I haven't tested it, but even the possibility of people IED'ing people's clothes off/destroying their weapons(or possibly even shit like space/fire suits) is fucking hilarious.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby whodaloo » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:24 am #47803

I'm pretty sure IEDs just set stuff on fire not actually explode. I could be wrong.
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Razharas » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:29 am #47805

Everything that uses ex_act() will destroy your shit
Pulse rifles are now strip-rifles
Or wait no they dont use ex_act() on humans

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby lumipharon » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:40 am #47807

Singulo ripping your clothes off when?

Edit: Actually please no, singulo is rape enough as is. Please just make explosions not destroy shit unless it in the gib zone, or something. It's just unfun.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby cedarbridge » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:03 am #47808

lumipharon wrote:Singulo ripping your clothes off when?

Edit: Actually please no, singulo is rape enough as is. Please just make explosions not destroy shit unless it in the gib zone, or something. It's just unfun.

I was wearing a bluespace bag when a singulo spawned near me. It tore my bag off my back and exploded. This caused my items in each pocket to disappear as well as blew up my ID inside my PDA. This is really frustrating shit, especially since there are many things that gib players (cremation) that don't even break IDs. Being near an explosion (or even within the shockwave of it apparently) should not GGNORE your items. I'm not a fan of this change at all.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Steelpoint » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:24 am #47810

I did some minor testing and even just being on the edge of a explosion is sufficient to destroy a large amount of your clothing/items. It's heavily RNG impacted however.
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Grazyn » Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:45 am #47854

I was a roundstart engiborg and got caught in a vinesplosion. All my modules disappeared, but I was able to choose my borg type again. The tools came back but I couldn't select them. Then I noticed that my power cell was missing, deleted by the explosion. I found a roboticist, he fixed my damage and replaced the power cell but I still couldn't activate my modules. So he deconstructed me, and I suddenly became a ghost because there was no MMI.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Lo6a4evskiy » Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:47 am #47862

How the hell does explosion evaporate your items and doesn't kill you, anyway?

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Akkryls » Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:49 am #47863

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:How the hell does explosion evaporate your items and doesn't kill you, anyway?


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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby lumipharon » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:20 am #47871

This is the best bug since the hallucinate del thing.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby cedarbridge » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:23 am #47873

lumipharon wrote:This is the best bug since the hallucinate del thing.

Unlike the cablecuff bug that deleted the clown.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Akkryls » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:46 am #47878

cedarbridge wrote:
lumipharon wrote:This is the best bug since the hallucinate del thing.

Unlike the cablecuff bug that deleted the clown.


What about the locker bugs?
At one point, if you broke out of a welded locker, your mob was deleted.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Incomptinence » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:41 pm #47894

Grazyn wrote:I was a roundstart engiborg and got caught in a vinesplosion. All my modules disappeared, but I was able to choose my borg type again. The tools came back but I couldn't select them. Then I noticed that my power cell was missing, deleted by the explosion. I found a roboticist, he fixed my damage and replaced the power cell but I still couldn't activate my modules. So he deconstructed me, and I suddenly became a ghost because there was no MMI.

Literal ghost in the machine. I need to see this madness. I wonder if it can delete the brain inside a human.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Saltycut » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:50 pm #47898

lumipharon wrote:
This is more silly then new poly melting all your shit, since it's rng and has massive range.
Permanent item destruction like this can be really frustrating for players, as they can lose important items (like traitor objectives) or shit that is simply difficult to replace. Even if you have nothing of particular rarity, it still takes longer then the cloning process just get get back all the shit you lost - potentially on top of getting cloned first.



Agree with what lumipharon said, I really dislike this change and wish it would be reverted. Destroying items might be realistic, but running in spare pajama with no ID for the rest of the round is definately not entertaining.
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Braincake » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:32 pm #47903

I got hit with a welding tank explosion while fully kitted out as engineer, and it deleted my PDA, rigsuit helmet, full toolbelt, full backpack, both pockets, mask, suit storage oxygen tank, gloves, jumpsuit, and mesons. Bit excessive.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Wyzack » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:27 pm #47932

This sounds fucking stupid. Who thought this was a good idea? It is not realistic and not fun. Why would your items be exploded without harming you? Who thought that items being deleted when at the center of an explosion was not enough?
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Miauw » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:29 pm #47933

fun fact: energy weapons contain power cells.
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Scones » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:33 pm #47936

Even 'minor' explosions will totally remove shit from you. Fireball, among others, but IMO most annoyingly, Detomax PDA explosions will COMPLETELY STRIP YOU.

For 6(?) telecrystals you can remotely remove most items of clothing from a person, including what was inside their pockets. I'm sure it'll be hilarious when some chucklefuck buys 3 of them and goes to town every time somebody is holding something slightly important.

Annoyance aside it's a pretty funny bug/lame feature
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Wyzack » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:43 pm #47937

I am just so pissed that one explosion can mean all my special snowflake detective gear is gone. Did literally anyone think explosions were not robust enough?
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby soulgamer » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:00 pm #47939

I was in an explosive space vine round with this up. I walked into maint to clear a secondary path to escape. Vines exploded on me destroying my air tank, my face mask, my shoes, and my pda/ID. Thus leaving me without light or oxygen in an airless maint shaft that I could not escape.

I think that was a bit fucking much.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby leibniz » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:06 pm #47941

soulgamer wrote:I was in an explosive space vine round with this up. I walked into maint to clear a secondary path to escape. Vines exploded on me destroying my air tank, my face mask, my shoes, and my pda/ID. Thus leaving me without light or oxygen in an airless maint shaft that I could not escape.

I think that was a bit fucking much.


After the update I made it extended to do a silly event about space vines taking over the station while the players filter back, I didnt know about the change to explosions. The vines were edited to have a higher mutation rate, normally they are not so dangerous.

Not saying that this feature isnt bad though.
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby soulgamer » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:36 pm #47963

leibniz wrote:After the update I made it extended to do a silly event about space vines taking over the station while the players filter back, I didnt know about the change to explosions. The vines were edited to have a higher mutation rate, normally they are not so dangerous.

Not saying that this feature isnt bad though.

The vines were not the problem. It was the damn explosion deleting everything leaving me trapped to die with no way to prevent this.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby leibniz » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:44 pm #47965

soulgamer wrote:
leibniz wrote:After the update I made it extended to do a silly event about space vines taking over the station while the players filter back, I didnt know about the change to explosions. The vines were edited to have a higher mutation rate, normally they are not so dangerous.

Not saying that this feature isnt bad though.

The vines were not the problem. It was the damn explosion deleting everything leaving me trapped to die with no way to prevent this.


I just posted to clarify that it wasnt exactly a normal occurence.
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Cheridan » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:44 pm #47966

Yeah I don't like this myself. Items are meant to be difficult to destroy, and there are lots of buggy consequences.
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby oranges » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:26 pm #47982

This is the best change in the history of everything!

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Raven776 » Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:29 pm #47992

I agree, as someone who hasn't had a chance to play since this became a thing and likely won't until it isn't, this is the best change ever. I was worried the forums would be dead while I waited for my next spaceman fix.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby soulgamer » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:34 am #48024

I REALLY do not like this. Can we at least stop it from deleting IDs?

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby cedarbridge » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:28 am #48107

The freeze isn't even supposed to be over yet is it? Why are there more buggy things being added mid-freeze?

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Perakp » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:18 am #48117

cedarbridge wrote:The freeze isn't even supposed to be over yet is it? Why are there more buggy things being added mid-freeze?

The bug was introduced in a bugfix for package wrapped c4 not blowing up correctly. No one thought of what would happen when you tell all the things to destroy all the things inside them ad infinitum, whenever an explosion happens.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Cik » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:49 am #48118

being blown as a borg (not emagged) now regularly destroys your MMI, immediately ghosting you

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Ergovisavi » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:05 am #48119

There's already a fix PR up, keep thine pants on

Also, tragic as this is, it's also fucking hilarious.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Malkevin » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:27 am #48120

But we cant keep them on when they get blown off! *buhdum-tish*

Atleast stuff in walls doesn't blow up... do walls still blow up?
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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby fleure » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:23 am #48125

Akkryls wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
lumipharon wrote:This is the best bug since the hallucinate del thing.

Unlike the cablecuff bug that deleted the clown.


What about the locker bugs?
At one point, if you broke out of a welded locker, your mob was deleted.


If that was the bug I introduced, I think that only happened if you escaped from a wrapped locker.

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Re: So now explosions destroy all the things

Postby Akkryls » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:32 am #48126

fleure wrote:
Akkryls wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
lumipharon wrote:This is the best bug since the hallucinate del thing.

Unlike the cablecuff bug that deleted the clown.


What about the locker bugs?
At one point, if you broke out of a welded locker, your mob was deleted.


If that was the bug I introduced, I think that only happened if you escaped from a wrapped locker.

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