Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

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Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby Zsword » Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:42 am #49960

So, I had a kindly RnD team hand me an advanced mop one round, I was ecstatic at first... tell I used it.

It's a normal mop, but slightly faster, and that's IT!? That's gargabe, no one uses the base mop anyway for a reason, it needs the crappy water crate, it forces people to slip and those are utter crap unless you just want to be an ass hole, which means it's inferior to the almighty Bar of Soap you can get from mining before the mop, which cleans up everything limitessly no slip. Wee.

Long story short? Make advanced mop no slip and limitless, so that I have a reason to use this advanced tech over a bar of soap.



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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby Gun Hog » Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:51 am #49961

Delete this now before the coders nerf soap again!

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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby NikNakFlak » Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:12 am #49963

oh god! Not the soap!
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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby Ergovisavi » Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:14 am #49965

>Using the mop or soap
>Not using your ridiculous amounts of space cleaner, and diluting it with water, so you get more out of it to the point where it's nearly infinite but still don't slip people

Let's not kid ourselves and pretend that the entire point of the mops isn't to slip people, so you can point at the sign and laugh at their frustration.
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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby paprika » Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:24 am #49967

Soap won't be limitless forever ;)

Though it might be instant clean again
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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby Jeb » Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:56 am #49979

annnnnnd there's the nerfbat striking.
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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby Spacezenegger » Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:07 am #49981

Yeah, nerf soap, God knows you shouldn't BUFF the advanced mop.

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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby Raven776 » Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:29 am #50000

Make syndicate soap limitless and instant cleaning.

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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby paprika » Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:41 am #50003

Okay guys since it doesn't require a forum account I want everyone and their mother, no matter if you play janitor or not, to post their opinion on cleaning tools and the janitor job here.

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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby MisterPerson » Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:03 am #50005

Spacezenegger wrote:Yeah, nerf soap, God knows you shouldn't BUFF the advanced mop.


They're related items with two separate issues. Doing stuff with soap doesn't change the fact the mop should probably be a touch better at least.
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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby Zsword » Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:19 am #50021

I want to know how a 'This item is bad' turned into 'nerf this similar item that's okay' .

Well I know how, I can just scroll up and read it, but that doesn't change my original argument: The advanced mop isn't any better than the regular mop, for something that takes research and science to care abotu you, it is, almost quite literally, nothing new. It's not better, it's the same tool just recolored for the Janitors purplen.

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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby dezzmont » Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:31 am #50023

Zsword wrote:I want to know how a 'This item is bad' turned into 'nerf this similar item that's okay' .

Well I know how, I can just scroll up and read it, but that doesn't change my original argument: The advanced mop isn't any better than the regular mop, for something that takes research and science to care abotu you, it is, almost quite literally, nothing new. It's not better, it's the same tool just recolored for the Janitors purplen.



The mop can't be good as long as the soap is as good as it is. That is why it became a "nerf the soap" thread.

The soap currently is an infinite use pocket sized item that does not create slips and does not require extra equipment.

Spray cleaner diluted is nearly infinite and is instant to boot.

The mop, if viewed purely as a cleaning tool, can't compete with items that already perfectly clean instantly, infinitely, and with better storage capabilities. You either need to value the fact it causes frustration in other players or you need to nerf soap and space cleaner to make it legit, nothing can be done to touch it up until then.

Also the advanced mop is better than the regular mop. It just isn't better in an apreciable way that you find worth while, because the mop form is a huge disadvantage compared to every other cleaning option.

The mop vs soap issue is a rather perfect example of why nerfs need to exist in design. You absolutely can't buff everything endlessly to be on the level. Sometimes to make an option good requires making another item not completely overwhelming.

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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby Lo6a4evskiy » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:12 pm #50044

Remove space cleaner pls

I barely see janitors actually mopping the floors these days.

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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby ThatSlyFox » Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:24 pm #50117

Why make cleaning harder? It is already a hard job. I would rather mine than have to clean the station.

Idea: Make it so you cant use soap fast unless you attach it to a advanced mop.

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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby oranges » Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:59 pm #50126

It would be nice if you could tether the janibucket with wheels to you and then you don't need to drag it and have it get pushed around by other people all the time.

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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby Jeb » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:33 pm #50132

Give the janitor back his pussywagon, but make the pussywagon clean like a janitor borg, only it requires chemicals (that need to be refilled) over time to do so.

EDIT: Oh, and make it tied to ID access so theres none of this DISARMED YA STOLE YO WAGON LOL
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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby Raven776 » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:47 pm #50139

Why did the janitor lose his pussy wagon anyways?

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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby ThatSlyFox » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:53 pm #50142

It was OP as fuck and the janitor would get robusted for it. It would be rare to even see the janitor on it too. People would steal it. Projectiles bounced off it and it was spaceworthy. Also very fast.

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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby iyaerP » Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:24 am #50169

That just means that the wagon should require Janitor access to use.

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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby paprika » Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:32 am #50176

People decided that instead of fixing the bugs with the pussy wagon or balancing it, it was better to remove it.

Outstanding bugs/balance issues that I can think of:
You can fly in space like it's a jetpack indefinitely
You're protected from projectiles
It has unlimited health and cannot be destroyed
It's fast as fuck
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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby Cipher3 » Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:33 am #50177

No, it means you should remove spaceworthiness and projectile deflection when you re-add it.
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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby MisterPerson » Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:20 am #50191

It's not spaceworthy anymore actually. I fixed that a bit back.
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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby Lo6a4evskiy » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:03 am #50293

ThatSlyFox wrote:Why make cleaning harder? It is already a hard job. I would rather mine than have to clean the station.

Idea: Make it so you cant use soap fast unless you attach it to a advanced mop.

Because there is literally zero point in doing it unless you're covering the murder. There is no reason for it to exist if it doesn't make floors slippery, which in turn provides a nice counter to people running everywhere, while also being a counter to stuff like shields and double eswords, as well as being funny as fuck when you slip a dozen retards running around at once.

Speaking of janiborgs, their ability to fully replace janitor forever is also pretty bad. They should probably have cleaning toggle-able and water floors when it is on. It would make them very dangerous when rogue, though, so I dunno.

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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby ThatSlyFox » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:02 pm #50337

Still waiting on viruses being created in blood and dirt. Coders get on it.

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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby Raven776 » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:11 am #50394

It wouldn't make them dangerous when rogue... It would make them as dangerous as any other borg when rogue. Right now, rogue janiborg is a joke. Space lube is fun, but it's not going to kill as many people as a rogue mediborg, standard borg, or security borg will.

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Re: Advanced Mop is Bad, and not worth using.

Postby dezzmont » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:41 am #50427

Raven776 wrote: janiborg is a joke.

In the literal sense janiborg is a joke option. Same with service borg. They are not meant to be doing useful things, they are more for RP or the lulz.

However Janiborg is very useful for a stealthy traitor, as space lube is actually one of the most useful combat options in the game used creatively. It is a hardcore stun that forcibly moves you and is invisible. You can use it to push people out of emagged airlocks or to take out all of security pretty much instantly. Not exactly a power option but its hardly nothing. The borg can't go on a rampage but the damage it can cause is invisible and wont get a rogue borg call.


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