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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby rockpecker » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:37 pm #55370

paprika wrote:>fix 'bug' with something, taking up to a week of your time
>remove buggy feature instead

gee i wonder which option is more attractiev


Option 3: Leave it the fuck alone, taking zero time and also not pissing everyone off.
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Malkevin » Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:09 pm #55377

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:So... what exactly prevents anyone from making donks behave like all other food? This always seemed like the obvious thing to me.


Malkevin wrote:Why couldn't this have been resolved by changing the pointless snowflakey code of Donkpockets to something with more sanity?
I.E - put [food\donkpocket_cold] in microwave, get [food\donkpocket_hot] back

This is more or less exactly the same way Ramen cups work.
Out of the vendors you get a cup with reagent [ramen], add water and a reagent_reaction turns the [ramen] into [hot_ramen]
IIRC theres no BS cooling system attached with that.



Of course the bottom line of the problem is that upgraded microwaves break the first law of alchemy :)
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Alex Crimson » Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:55 am #55479

paprika wrote:>fix 'bug' with something, taking up to a week of your time
>remove buggy feature instead

gee i wonder which option is more attractiev


Would it really take a week to remove warm donk pockets and add 5 units of tricord to normal ones? i doubt it. But im no coder.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby miggles » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:06 am #55482

Miauw wrote:
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paprika wrote:>fix 'bug' with something, taking up to a week of your time
>remove buggy feature instead

gee i wonder which option is more attractiev

you know recipe code is the same shit over and over with the paths changed right
it would take less than 2 minutes

its actually different for hot pockets tho, since those have weird stuff with cooling down and stuff while other stuff just has ingredients deleted and become a finished product

yes thats what im saying.
make it like all the other recipes.
and i'm not doing it myself because i don't have git installed right now.
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby dezzmont » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:12 am #55486

It also doesn't help that "Because I am lazy" generally means that you shouldn't have responsibility, not that you should be allowed to get away with being lazy. I find the arguments about snowflake healing status to be much more persuasive, as well as the idea of just adding more medical supplies.

The fix is really minor though. If someone fixed it, would it be possible to add the tricord back? It wouldn't really hurt any game balance as it is a lot less efficient to make a ton of donk pockets than it is to make a lot of doctor's delight.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby cedarbridge » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:40 am #55492

dezzmont wrote:It also doesn't help that "Because I am lazy" generally means that you shouldn't have responsibility, not that you should be allowed to get away with being lazy. I find the arguments about snowflake healing status to be much more persuasive, as well as the idea of just adding more medical supplies.

The fix is really minor though. If someone fixed it, would it be possible to add the tricord back? It wouldn't really hurt any game balance as it is a lot less efficient to make a ton of donk pockets than it is to make a lot of doctor's delight.

DD is a huge pain in the ass to make most of the time (without harvesting syndiecakes), tricord takes a chemist (or knowing MD) about 3 seconds to make with two bottles and a beaker. Treating tricord like some sort of mystical elixir is really silly.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby iyaerP » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:47 am #55494

Even DD isn't that hard to get, you just need barkeep to part with the required bottles of juice, and between those and the infinite tricord you can make as a chemist in seconds, you can get literally 500 units of DD from 20 seconds of talking with barkeep.

Hell, as chemist, I am in the habit of pumping that out and making DD smoke grenades, putting it in the cryo tubes, AND having a huge pile of pills left over.

Letting miners have access to 5 tricord donk pockets is not the end of the world, and coders DELETING DP because of it is completely retarded. But that is the coderbus for you.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby dezzmont » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:52 am #55495

I was more talking about old DD which required only juices, which was removed because it was a better source of healing than doctors.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Alex Crimson » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:56 am #55496

Yea there are two kinds of Doctor Delight. The drink which is called "The Doctors Delight" and the chemical "Doctors Delight" which is found in some food and the CMOs Hypospray. I imagine you could combine the two along with tricord to make some kind of super fast healing pill, if all 3 healing effects stack.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby iyaerP » Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:00 am #55499

The drink and tricord both stack, I didn't even know that there was a seperate chemical.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby cedarbridge » Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:36 am #55503

Alex Crimson wrote:Yea there are two kinds of Doctor Delight. The drink which is called "The Doctors Delight" and the chemical "Doctors Delight" which is found in some food and the CMOs Hypospray. I imagine you could combine the two along with tricord to make some kind of super fast healing pill, if all 3 healing effects stack.

Those should be the same reagent. If not that's an oversight since they do literally the same thing and are made the same way.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Alex Crimson » Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:56 am #55508

I think you are right. I must either be thinking of an older version of /tg/ or another branch.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Mat13295 » Sun Jan 04, 2015 10:47 am #55567

Just remove the tricord since it apparently won't dupe reagents that already spawn in them?
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby ExplosiveCrate » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:56 pm #55655

Or you could remove the snowflake cooling down mechanic and keep the tricord.
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Vigilare » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:06 pm #55661

make them like cold/hot ramen

microwave + cold donk = hot donk, which has tricord
super hella microwave + cold donk = many hot donk, each of which has tricord

don't bother with the cooling down thing, muh immersions are ruined less by unheatable donkpockets than they are by eternal warmth
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby cedarbridge » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:02 pm #55683

Vigilare wrote:make them like cold/hot ramen

microwave + cold donk = hot donk, which has tricord
super hella microwave + cold donk = many hot donk, each of which has tricord

don't bother with the cooling down thing, muh immersions are ruined less by unheatable donkpockets than they are by eternal warmth

This shit right here. I don't understand why this couldn't have been done from the get-go instead of rushing to remove more content.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby iyaerP » Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:41 pm #55910

See thread title.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby WeeYakk » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:09 pm #56871

The third iteration of this thread, I give it two more pages before it's locked from hiney hurt codermods.
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby paprika » Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:47 pm #57280

>Thread after thread about butthurt fucktards mad that their holy opinion is ignored

And codermods are the upset ones, ok yakk
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Alex Crimson » Sat Jan 10, 2015 1:47 am #57360

People are not that butthurt. I think there have been more than enough reasonable suggestions for keeping donk pockets whilst removing the "exploit". But if you want to start a flame war, whatever.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Saegrimr » Sat Jan 10, 2015 1:56 am #57363

Alex Crimson wrote:People are not that butthurt. I think there have been more than enough reasonable suggestions for keeping donk pockets whilst removing the "exploit". But if you want to start a flame war, whatever.

Watch out, kid. You're talkin' to the leanest meanest champion of "u mad nerd deal w/it" this side of space. Legitimate complaints are useless here.
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Alex Crimson » Sat Jan 10, 2015 1:58 am #57365

Guess i should watch what i say. Wouldnt want to go on THE LIST.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby WeeYakk » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:03 am #57369

paprika wrote:>Thread after thread about butthurt fucktards mad that their holy opinion is ignored

And codermods are the upset ones, ok yakk


I'm not the one who has such problems handlin' the bants they gotta lock threads over it.
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby DemonFiren » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:07 am #57374

I am beginning to think that the best course of action is to get Paprika a therapist.
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby paprika » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:47 am #57387

DemonFiren wrote:I am beginning to think that the best course of action is to get Paprika a therapist.

Or a new ckey.
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Jeb » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:14 am #57394

I'm beginning to think that the best course of action here is to lock this thread if you can't act like adult spessmen.

Keep things on topic, quit shitting on each other pls.
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Alex Crimson » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:26 am #57399

Jeb wrote:I'm beginning to think that the best course of action here is to lock this thread if you can't act like adult spessmen.

Keep things on topic, quit shitting on each other pls.


What else do you want us to say? There have already been plenty of suggestions, but coders would rather focus on the insults and flaming than actually discussing the issue.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Jeb » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:28 am #57400

Was a subtle hint to keep things on track.
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby dezzmont » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:29 am #57402

It was as subtle as a hammer to the head.

Delete the offending inflamatory comments rather than threatening to censor another discussion because specific coders have figured out how to consistently get forum mods to lock threads for them by deliberately starting fights.

People contributing to a good discussion shouldn't be locked down because jerks are starting fights here.

I mean I agree the topic did not set a good tone but people, including coders, decided to treat this thread as an area for legitimate discussion. Threating to lock the thread isn't a subtle call to be on track, it makes people even more resentful and hostile because most of the insults flying are flying because people already feel locked out of the decision making process.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Jeb » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:34 am #57403

I actually have little to no communication with the coders, fun fact.

If we delete posts, we're censoring. If we lock a thread, we're censoring. Everyone needs to just learn to control themselves.

Enough with this coderbus conspiracy crap already.
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby dezzmont » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:38 am #57404

No one is calling coderbus conspiracy.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby ExplosiveCrate » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:39 am #57406

He wasn't implying conspiracy, he was implying that coders purposely pick fights knowing that it'll get them locked.
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby dezzmont » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:41 am #57407

ExplosiveCrate wrote:He wasn't implying conspiracy, he was implying that coders purposely pick fights knowing that it'll get them locked.

I am glad I am not the only one who picked up on that. This really shouldn't be the place to bring this up but the last place anyone tried to talk about that got locked and deleted, and it has become more and more overt a problem.

I am all for trying to limit historonis. Please actually do that, and lock down the people who repeatedly do them, without locking down a discussion unrelated to these, for lack of a better word, tantrums. Consistently locking threads does not make the underlying problem go away, it makes it worse.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby WeeYakk » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:32 am #57430

Jeb wrote:I'm beginning to think that the best course of action here is to lock this thread if you can't act like adult spessmen.

Keep things on topic, quit shitting on each other pls.


Wait one more page so I can be right about things again.
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Jeb » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:19 am #57440

WeeYakk wrote:
Jeb wrote:I'm beginning to think that the best course of action here is to lock this thread if you can't act like adult spessmen.

Keep things on topic, quit shitting on each other pls.


Wait one more page so I can be right about things again.


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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Snakebutt » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:12 pm #57593

You know, wouldn't be that hard to leave donk pockets unnukable, but have tricord in them by default. Here, have some code.

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/obj/item/weapon/reagent_containers/food/snacks/donkpocket
name = "\improper Donk-pocket"
desc = "The food of choice for the seasoned traitor."
icon_state = "donkpocket"

/obj/item/weapon/reagent_containers/food/snacks/donkpocket/New()
..()
reagents.add_reagent("nutriment", 4)
reagents.add_reagent("tricordrazine", 5)


I ain't even a coder, took me longer to find donk pockets in the code than it did to do this. Problem fixed, no more duping reagents, mining has easy healing. Everyone's happy.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Cipher3 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:55 pm #57618

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby iyaerP » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:26 am #57674

Three instances of something isn't really "littering the station" with it.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby cedarbridge » Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:20 am #57719

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby Fatal » Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:00 am #57772

One has to ask, regarding the donk pockets

If it was so easy to change, why did we have to go through all the drama in the first place of having them removed and then re-added instead of just changing them in the first place

I believe someone did say it was easier to outright remove them than make the necessary balancing change, but, clearly, that was wrong?

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby oranges » Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:22 am #57780

Sometimes MrP gets a bit carried away.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby miggles » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:21 am #57805

Jeb wrote:If we delete posts, we're censoring. If we lock a thread, we're censoring.

yeah that is pretty much exactly what youre doing like, textbook definition of censoring
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby paprika » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:37 am #57810

miggles wrote:
Jeb wrote:If we delete posts, we're censoring. If we lock a thread, we're censoring.

yeah that is pretty much exactly what youre doing like, textbook definition of censoring

THERE ARE FORUM RULES BUT WE'RE SO PISSED AT THE CODERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO IGNORE THEM

WHAT THE FUCK OUR POSTS ARE BEING DELETED CENSORSHIP HELP HELP!!!
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby dezzmont » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:46 am #57837

miggles wrote:
Jeb wrote:If we delete posts, we're censoring. If we lock a thread, we're censoring.

yeah that is pretty much exactly what youre doing like, textbook definition of censoring

Right, but more to the point, deleting something blatantly inflammatory is censoring pretty worthless and distracting information, where as locking the entire thread is censoring absolutely everyone because individuals could not handle the forum rules. It is pretty clear which is superior if you had to do any. While it does involve deleting a lot more the result is a lot more precise and is much better at keeping people on topic and mellow and a lot less of value is lost or suppressed.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby MisterPerson » Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:44 pm #57883

The rule of thumb I've decided to start following recently is to lock the thread if the OP is the one acting up and just delete the posts if it's anyone else.
I code for the code project and moderate the code sections of the forums.

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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby WeeYakk » Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:51 pm #58002

paprika wrote:
miggles wrote:
Jeb wrote:If we delete posts, we're censoring. If we lock a thread, we're censoring.

yeah that is pretty much exactly what youre doing like, textbook definition of censoring

THERE ARE FORUM RULES BUT WE'RE SO PISSED AT THE CODERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO IGNORE THEM

WHAT THE FUCK OUR POSTS ARE BEING DELETED CENSORSHIP HELP HELP!!!

There's no forum rule against not liking things. There are two that are being broken by your post though. ;)
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Re: Bullshit Removals and Coder Complaints.

Postby paprika » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:01 pm #58007

WeeYakk wrote:
paprika wrote:
miggles wrote:
Jeb wrote:If we delete posts, we're censoring. If we lock a thread, we're censoring.

yeah that is pretty much exactly what youre doing like, textbook definition of censoring

THERE ARE FORUM RULES BUT WE'RE SO PISSED AT THE CODERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO IGNORE THEM

WHAT THE FUCK OUR POSTS ARE BEING DELETED CENSORSHIP HELP HELP!!!

There's no forum rule against not liking things. There are two that are being broken by your post though. ;)

0/10 bait once again

If you think posts that are just 'not liking things' are being deleted you are dead wrong or stupid
Oldman Robustin wrote:It's an established meme that coders don't play this game.

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