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Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:29 pm**

Bottom post of the previous page:

Gun Hog wrote:
Jacquerel wrote:I swear some people think of this game as a team of "good guys" (security) fighting a team of "bad guys" (antagonists ans assistants) while everyone else is just there to play the part of the bystanders to protect or terrorise.
Are you saying this is not the case? People very quickly get bored when the antagonists die or take too long to do anything. Security is very much the Cop side of things, and will gladly go out of their way to stomp on anyone they think is a bad guy. Similarly, it seems that most unarmed crew are just loot sacks, converts, and kill counts to antagonists. What you have described is very much how things seem from an observer's point of view. Sec is there to defeat antags; they are not mall cops. Antags are there to cause chaos. If they fail to do so, the shuttle gets called or assistants and the clown take their place. I would not at all be surprised to think that dedicated Security/Antagonist players see everyone else as support or sources of increased power - because it really does look that way when playing as a ghost.

What do you do during extended?

Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:43 pm**

Spam shuttle calls.

Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:19 pm**

Animal Xenos from gold slimes are stupid. Make them spawn facehuggers instead.

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:16 am**

Luke Cox wrote:Animal Xenos from gold slimes are stupid. Make them spawn facehuggers instead.

Why? it would be even more stupid for them to be able to get round-ending aliens.

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:18 am**

Wyzack wrote:But that is what i really don't like. I was against even giving berets the same armor as helmets. It used to be that if you were conscious about looking cool as sec you would wear the beret. It gave no advantages other than making you look like a robust dude who don't need no head protection. Then if shit got real you could swap it out for the helmet to kick some ass. It seems dumb that a friggin beret should have all the functionality of a helmet that covers your eyes and sides of your head. The whole Berets=Helmets thing seems like it only benefits sec officers who want to pull dat powergame all the time, but also want to look casual. This seems silly to me.

Pretty much this. But then powergamers wanted to jump on the FASHION bandwagon without giving up the power gaming.
Someone said the beret is actually better then the helmet since it didn't get nerfed with the rest of armour, or some shit?

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:04 am**

Nerf berets again, armorberets is dumb and makes helmets worthless

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:51 am**

The unloved rock wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:Animal Xenos from gold slimes are stupid. Make them spawn facehuggers instead.
Why? it would be even more stupid for them to be able to get round-ending aliens.

You would have to deliberately let them out of the pen and/or give them something to feed on to actually cause potentially round-ending xenos. Xenobio containment only fails as a result of human error. Loyal crewmembers can harvest Xeno organs, antagonists can let them loose. If security or command has a problem with science raising Xenos, it's a lengthy process and people have more than enough time to step in and shut it down (even more so now with the added Praetorian stage before Queen).

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:55 am**

When Kor nerfed armour values across the board he forgot to nerf Sec Beret's, meaning they give better protection than Helmets do.

I actually did address this but it came at the time when shit was hitting the fan with armour changes and me being banned from Github so I had to drop the issue.

Edit: Now I've addressed it: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/12583

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:49 pm**

Luke Cox wrote:
The unloved rock wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:Animal Xenos from gold slimes are stupid. Make them spawn facehuggers instead.
Why? it would be even more stupid for them to be able to get round-ending aliens.
You would have to deliberately let them out of the pen and/or give them something to feed on to actually cause potentially round-ending xenos. Xenobio containment only fails as a result of human error. Loyal crewmembers can harvest Xeno organs, antagonists can let them loose. If security or command has a problem with science raising Xenos, it's a lengthy process and people have more than enough time to step in and shut it down (even more so now with the added Praetorian stage before Queen).

I mean that's all well and good, but is leaving aside the part where people introduce human error intentionally because they want to play as a round-ending alien.

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:43 pm**

Jacquerel wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:
The unloved rock wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:Animal Xenos from gold slimes are stupid. Make them spawn facehuggers instead.
Why? it would be even more stupid for them to be able to get round-ending aliens.
You would have to deliberately let them out of the pen and/or give them something to feed on to actually cause potentially round-ending xenos. Xenobio containment only fails as a result of human error. Loyal crewmembers can harvest Xeno organs, antagonists can let them loose. If security or command has a problem with science raising Xenos, it's a lengthy process and people have more than enough time to step in and shut it down (even more so now with the added Praetorian stage before Queen).
I mean that's all well and good, but is leaving aside the part where people introduce human error intentionally because they want to play as a round-ending alien.

Intentionally releasing Xenos as a non-antag is grounds for an immediate ban. Going off that logic, we should also remove the singularity, toxins, virology, etc. because people could use them to cause round-ending catastrophes so they can end the round and hopefully get antag next round. It'd be a fun thing for scientists to play around with, ghosts could do something other than stare at antags, and antags would have another tool at their disposal. It's always bothered me how Xenobiology was nothing more than breeding slimes. With the introduction of organ manipulation and implantable Xeno organs, Xenobiology could have their jobs expanded by allowing them to raise and harvest aliens like livestock.

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:37 pm**

Luke Cox wrote:
Jacquerel wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:
The unloved rock wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:Animal Xenos from gold slimes are stupid. Make them spawn facehuggers instead.
Why? it would be even more stupid for them to be able to get round-ending aliens.
You would have to deliberately let them out of the pen and/or give them something to feed on to actually cause potentially round-ending xenos. Xenobio containment only fails as a result of human error. Loyal crewmembers can harvest Xeno organs, antagonists can let them loose. If security or command has a problem with science raising Xenos, it's a lengthy process and people have more than enough time to step in and shut it down (even more so now with the added Praetorian stage before Queen).
I mean that's all well and good, but is leaving aside the part where people introduce human error intentionally because they want to play as a round-ending alien.
Intentionally releasing Xenos as a non-antag is grounds for an immediate ban. Going off that logic, we should also remove the singularity, toxins, virology, etc. because people could use them to cause round-ending catastrophes so they can end the round and hopefully get antag next round. It'd be a fun thing for scientists to play around with, ghosts could do something other than stare at antags, and antags would have another tool at their disposal. It's always bothered me how Xenobiology was nothing more than breeding slimes. With the introduction of organ manipulation and implantable Xeno organs, Xenobiology could have their jobs expanded by allowing them to raise and harvest aliens like livestock.

Xenomorphs get free every round they're bred in xenobio. I've never once known a round where they didn't. EVERYONE wants to let them loose except for security

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:17 pm**

Security wants them to get loose too, we just can't admit it.

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:48 pm**

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:
Jacquerel wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:
The unloved rock wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:Animal Xenos from gold slimes are stupid. Make them spawn facehuggers instead.
Why? it would be even more stupid for them to be able to get round-ending aliens.
You would have to deliberately let them out of the pen and/or give them something to feed on to actually cause potentially round-ending xenos. Xenobio containment only fails as a result of human error. Loyal crewmembers can harvest Xeno organs, antagonists can let them loose. If security or command has a problem with science raising Xenos, it's a lengthy process and people have more than enough time to step in and shut it down (even more so now with the added Praetorian stage before Queen).
I mean that's all well and good, but is leaving aside the part where people introduce human error intentionally because they want to play as a round-ending alien.
Intentionally releasing Xenos as a non-antag is grounds for an immediate ban. Going off that logic, we should also remove the singularity, toxins, virology, etc. because people could use them to cause round-ending catastrophes so they can end the round and hopefully get antag next round. It'd be a fun thing for scientists to play around with, ghosts could do something other than stare at antags, and antags would have another tool at their disposal. It's always bothered me how Xenobiology was nothing more than breeding slimes. With the introduction of organ manipulation and implantable Xeno organs, Xenobiology could have their jobs expanded by allowing them to raise and harvest aliens like livestock.
Xenomorphs get free every round they're bred in xenobio. I've never once known a round where they didn't. EVERYONE wants to let them loose except for security

If people are releasing xenos intentionally, bans need to start being handed out

TheNightingale wrote:Security wants them to get loose too, we just can't admit it.

If more people want Xenos to pop up on the station, then maybe facehuggers should be more abundant.

Posted: **Fri Oct 23, 2015 7:46 pm**

The lone operative event greatly needs a sound upon spawning.

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:29 am**

Just went on a killing spree with a chainsaw and holoparasite last round, in my opinion the only problems with the chainsaw are that it currently is slightly better than the spear as a throwing weapon, and cant be held one handed/on your back.
also telekinesis is op when it comes to combat because you can spam it really fast, you can instacrit a golem with it using a chainsaw.

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:33 am**

That's really more a TK problem because the TK throw has no click cooldown whatsoever and is thus more dangerous than anything short of a wand of death or energy axe.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:11 pm**

What if we removed hulk entirely? It's rare to see it used for something other than "lel smash walls scream waaagh xD".

Posted: **Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:20 am**

TheNightingale wrote:What if we removed hulk entirely? It's rare to see it used for something other than "lel smash walls scream waaagh xD".

What would be the end game of Genetics?
Why would people do research?
TK has already been nerfed into oblivion
Shadowblend is literally useless
Chameleon makes you invisible, and your body invisible so you will never get cloned if you have it.
Cold res is a space suit.
X-ray is not gotten by the people who actually use it, 95% of the time

Posted: **Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:44 am**

I wounldn't mind removing the permastun from hulk punches while keeping everything else. If Hulk was literally just the stun punch I'd take it, because as it stands it's retardedly strong.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:16 am**

Is there a pre-round tip that let's people know that they can tag sec as a job without ruining their chances at antag? If not, there should be, to encourage more people to play sec.

Posted: **Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:04 am**

There's no notification to borgs that they are no longer Asimov during Traitor, or Double Agents.
I had a law 0, and I was never notified until the AI started telling me to kill someone, at which point I was already off station

Posted: **Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:28 am**

When giving someone plastic surgey, you should be able to choose their new name.

Posted: **Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:10 am**

TheNightingale wrote:When giving someone plastic surgey, you should be able to choose their new name.

God yes I'm ready for 12 copies of Butts McButts all with random colours of hairs wandering around.

Posted: **Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:12 pm**

Copying someone's SE with Genetics should copy their mutantrace status too. I want to be able to force-lizard people.

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:01 am**

TheNightingale wrote:Copying someone's SE with Genetics should copy their mutantrace status too. I want to be able to force-lizard people.

the monkey part of the se should only have a few values, only interchangable by copying ses or with an upgraded scanner
normal scanner=human and monkey
slightly upgraded scanner=lizard
more upgraded scanner=plasmeme
fully upgraded scanner=potater and slime

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:29 am**

Adding mutantrace to genetics was something I've wanted to forever.

Genetics is just impenetrable code to me and I'm afraid of fucking it up. No one's touched the UI/UE side of it in forever

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:19 pm**

I wanted to add catpeople as a genetics fuckup rather than a roundstart thing (similar to how slime people are xenobiology-only) but the code makes my head spin around in a double helix

Posted: **Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:53 pm**

You know those operatives from the away mission, with the shields and the energy swords? They're immune to projectiles (and everything else), apparently. I fired three magazines of a SABR at one and it survived, even after I batoned it another ten times before it cut me down.

Posted: **Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:15 am**

It's immune to ranged attacks and there's an issue open for that - it's not immune to melee, it just has the same armour as nuke ops and no appreciable display for how dead it is beyond a medhud.

Posted: **Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:50 am**

Bugs, what bugs.

Posted: **Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:19 am**

InsaneHyena wrote:

Bugs, what bugs.

report on github with more details

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:51 am**

Have chameleon act like Hulk, and get disabled when you hit crit.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:59 am**

Helios wrote:Have chameleon act like Hulk, and get disabled when you hit crit.

I thought that was the downside to Chameleon. You get perfect invisibility but it can backfire on you when you don't want to be invisible.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2016 8:02 am**

Anonmare wrote:
Helios wrote:Have chameleon act like Hulk, and get disabled when you hit crit.
I thought that was the downside to Chameleon. You get perfect invisibility but it can backfire on you when you don't want to be invisible.

What's the downside to X-ray or tk? Or being short

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:12 pm**

They don't have downsides, and that's why they're bad powers.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:26 pm**

Revenants should be able to suck out the souls of people who went catatonic.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:55 pm**

The downside to x-ray should be having flashes blind you more severely (and maybe sunglasses would only make it like normal flashes); the downside to TK could be causing slight brain damage every time it was used.

Posted: **Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:48 pm**

Lets talk about food.

I think the speed in which hunger progresses is far too slow. Today I was a cook in a 2 hour game with some 50 people on the shift and there were under 10 food items eaten over the course of the whole shift.

If cooks should remain useful members of the crew, more has to be eaten and for that hunger has to progress much faster. It should be possible to get over a 30 minute shift without eating, but this should be the absolute maximum.

Posted: **Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:20 pm**

They probably just ate cup ramen out of the vendors. That stuff is really nutritious.

Posted: **Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:53 pm**

Hmm. This makes sense. Nevertheless, it just proves that the cook is currently not very useful.

I have had very much fun playing cook and I feel this job should get be really necessary for longer rounds. It would be a waste to let such a creative job be so unappreciated by the game.

Posted: **Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:57 pm**

Increase the hunger rate, and/or give hunger more penalties than 'you walk more slowly'. Maybe you take more damage when hungry? Or being satiated slowly heals you?

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:25 am**

Nah fuck that. Let's just do it the Goon way where the chef can make some truly ridiculous food and let people eat it on their own volition because of all the stupid shit he put in it.

Posted: **Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:00 pm**

So we agree that the cook/cooking needs to be buffed.

The question right now is if we want do it with negative reinforcement (buff hunger) or with positive reinforcement (buff the foods effects).

While buffing hunger is easily done it may provoke backslash from users. Buffing food items made by the cook is more likely to be accepted, but will require more work and balancing.

I think it would be beneficial if hunger is buffed moderately while also food items receive better effects. The improvement of food items could also be used to reward cooks (and eaters) for crafting the more exotic meals.

Posted: **Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:23 pm**

I want to note, that if such is done, please make sure something like 'Ration Bars' are added to the Miner Reward Point items at a reasonable price. Something that while not giving any bonuses, fills for a long time. So long mining expeditions are fully feasible.
That is, if hunger is buffed so that such might be a issue.

Posted: **Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:12 pm**

Yes. Please. This needs to be a thing.

Returning to Cargo on the brink of starvation is something that happened to me often enough to make me sick.

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:31 am**

CosmicScientist wrote:I can't hear the quiet hum of the station ambiance. Was it removed at some point? Am I just remembering the game wrong after leaving for a while and it truly is silent half the time? I miss it.

you may have disabled ambiance in game preferences and forgot about it
i keep it disabled because i usually wear headphones and the bass ambiance blows my head up

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:48 am**

CosmicScientist wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:
CosmicScientist wrote:I can't hear the quiet hum of the station ambiance. Was it removed at some point? Am I just remembering the game wrong after leaving for a while and it truly is silent half the time? I miss it.
you may have disabled ambiance in game preferences and forgot about it
i keep it disabled because i usually wear headphones and the bass ambiance blows my head up
Thanks. I checked thanks to you and found it was ship ambiance (I think). Where does the bass come in?

Edit: That doesn't seem to be it. I could hear the weird noises in the corridor that... I can't really describe them, sounds like vague announcements by the AI or someone? Before I enabled that preference but before and after I still cannot hear the humming noise.

those are just rarer than ship ambiance, if you spend enough time maintenance crawling with ambient sounds enabled in prefs you'll hear them now and again
iirc chapel and morgue also have extra rare ambient soundtracks, pretty atmospheric stuff

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:43 pm**

Space has one of the title themes playing in it, yes. Not sure why you think it's an "older" theme, it's title1 (or 2) which have been with us for a while, unchanged (Unless by older you meant time and not version in which case I retract my statement)

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:22 pm**

It should be possible to rip embedded things out of people without surgery.

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:26 pm**

CosmicScientist wrote:AI satellite/chamber has the robotic chatter. Maint has drips I think and maybe some sounds that are quite suspect as to be dangerous unless I only heard those when going through the sound files. Hallways have what I'd call a quiet and calm train station sound with some announcement going off... I think there's one mentioning heading to escape in a calm voice? I somehow remember most places (or maybe just engineering?) having a low hum. Chapel has some indiscernible slow paced choral. Morgue has the voices and whistles of the dead. Space has I think an older SS13 theme? The one that isn't Nanotrasen but also has one which is different.

I haven't run around the entire station yet since I came back but the only one that I've come across before even turning on station ambience is the hallway one.

"all customers to make their way to the disembarkation lounge" or something to that effect.

As an aside, the (not really any more) new maint ambience sounds are fucking awesome and one of the best atmospheric changes to the game

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:06 pm**

"all customers are requested to make their way to the disembarkation lounge" - ambigen14

Also my favourite ambience track is ambimalf, played in the AI chamber, since it's quite literally got Space Jam in it.

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