/tg/Station 13

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"all customers are requested to make their way to the disembarkation lounge" - ambigen14

Also my favourite ambience track is ambimalf, played in the AI chamber, since it's quite literally got Space Jam in it.

Everybody get up, it's time to s&#&#^#^@$$ zzzzttttt

Doesn't Mining have Dwarf Fortress, or am I thinking of Bay again?

Bay, although we used to have it in ye olde versions back when we had a coder called Urist.

Yeah, well, we need that back.

Explosive/micro/macrobomb implants should only activate when you manually trigger them (so not by succumbing or just outright dying), but you should be able to trigger them when in critical condition. Now the Operative defib can actually get some use.

Or just remove the defib because they were added during the retarded period in time that explosive implants were removed and hardsuits were glued on because some how murdering someone has more RP then critting them, stripping them then murdering them.

Or just leave it and zap people with the defibs because they're robust as fuck.

EMP'd/combat defibs are straight up broken and nobody ever uses them.

I think traitor explosive implants should require activating up to and including crit, theyre a bit too easy mode with automatic on death activation.

Malkevin wrote:I think traitor explosive implants should require activating up to and including crit, theyre a bit too easy mode with automatic on death activation.

Malk, with all due respect, you would call it "easy mode" if traitors had to do anything short of jam a twig up their urethra to activate their uplinks.

You ever caught a traitor raiding the armory who you laser to death and their explosive implant takes out most of the contents of the armory?

Yeah, implants exploding on death suck.

Am I the only one nostalgic for the PA sprite before the old one?

DemonFiren wrote:Am I the only one nostalgic for the PA sprite before the old one?

No, I find the style of the new one mismatches with the rest of the game.

Well, not the one we have right now, and not even the one we had before this one, but the one before that.

Don't know where else to post this, but I have this weird that is really annoying.



Any ideas how I can fix this?

Looks like some sort of issue with minimap generation or with your connection. Open an issue on GitHub please.

You oughtta be able to preview chaplain weapons, or at least have a way to inform yourself ingame of what each does before picking it.

The black map is fixed now. But sadly during map rotation it shows most times the wrong map.

The airlock closing sound should have a louder start to it.

The sleeping carp scroll should only work against electrodes and disablers. It'd still be tremendously overpowered, but someone who uses it can still get shot full of lasers.

TheNightingale wrote:The sleeping carp scroll should only work against electrodes and disablers. It'd still be tremendously overpowered, but someone who uses it can still get shot full of lasers.

It's 17 fucking tcs just harden up and stunbaton the fucker.

Or flashbang or pepper spray or teargas jesus fuck.

Bear in mind that it also grants unarmed melee attacks that stun a disproportionately large amount of the time. There's no counterplay to someone with a sleeping carp scroll and a stunbaton (since using pepperspray or teargas in a real fight gets you killed, and flashbangs are easy to avoid), and it becomes a contest of "Can you click this person once before they click you once? Oh, but only if you have a stunbaton".

TheNightingale wrote:flashbangs are easy to avoid

not if you use them correctly

Grab a buddy cop, have him validate the scumbag after you kamikazi flashbang him.

Just pray he's not a queer shirt lifter that attempts to take the likely-has-adrenals-or-freedom-implant traitor alive.

Make the revenant not be able to kill borgs with no possible way for the borg to stop it, flee, or do pretty much anything except sit there and die as their emp cooldown coincidences with any movement a borg can make.

TheNightingale wrote:Bear in mind that it also grants unarmed melee attacks that stun a disproportionately large amount of the time. There's no counterplay to someone with a sleeping carp scroll and a stunbaton (since using pepperspray or teargas in a real fight gets you killed, and flashbangs are easy to avoid), and it becomes a contest of "Can you click this person once before they click you once? Oh, but only if you have a stunbaton".

Bear in mind that if they DON'T have the baton, chairs give you resistance, if they do have it, I think throwables work. Plus, I think sleeping carp means the deflection only works if they have both hands empty, not sure though. When the only other buff that traitor can get is maybe a soap and some emps for borgs (which also can counter a sleeping carp kind of not really because no more secborgs) and mechs, sleeping carp is really good at killing the unprepared, but if they even have a 10 second warning they can grab two chairs and kick some ass, with ied spears being a really good counter. Plus I remember they might be getting nerfed with explosive shotgun shells working on them (that is implying that those ever get made)

Something I have always thought makes no sense:

Why does the e-sword deal brute damage? Isn't it supposed to be a lightsaber thingy that burns through everything it touches?

SO WHY DOESN'T IT DO BURN DAMAGE.

Because burn damage doesn't do knock downs/kos

Malkevin wrote:Because burn damage doesn't do knock downs/kos

How the fuck would you get knocked down from having a stream of superheated plasma stuff passing through you?

Getting knocked out doesn't sense in this context.

So you can murder more effectively.

We should readd gun safeties from April Fools. Alt-click a gun to toggle the safety, and it can't be fired whilst the safety is active.

Traitor: "D-don't move or I'll shoot! I'll blow your head clean off!"
Officer: "... you sure?"
Traitor: "I'll do it!"
Officer: "Not with the safety on, you won't." -zap!-

Certain guns, like revolvers (revolvers don't work like that) or pulse destroyers (you're supposed to shoot things with these!), don't have safeties at all.

Also, gems like this:
New Officer: ":s MY TASER'S BROKEN IT'S NOT FIRING"
HoS: ":s Have you tried turning the safety off?"

No

Zil's right for once, safeties were one of the more autistic things on Bay.
Besides, everyone's just gonna keep them off all the time.

For maximum immersion, astral carpet should show up as "space" instead of "floor".

TheNightingale wrote:For maximum immersion, astral carpet should show up as "space" instead of "floor".

Only if it gets a real description though.

turrets need to have xray vision, it's fucking stupid that you can cheese them with just a smoke bomb. It's hard enough to defend an AI core with the 20 other ways that turrets can be cheesed, but come on, smoke bombs?

That would be annoying as fuck though, they would spam out trying to constantly shoot people through the walls. Also smokebombs to avoid turrets is thematically pretty bad ass

Turrets ought to target unsynchronised cyborgs. AIs currently have little to no way to defend against these once they're created (even the flash in the core can't be chainstunned with). By the time a malfunctioning AI has the points to destroy RnD's infrastructure, robotics has almost always made a cyborg body, and they also have the bodies of all other cyborgs loyal to you, assuming they can kill at least one (or lock it down instead of blowing it up, via a console without your oversight).

For such a simple process it is annoyingly impossible to counter.

Cheimon wrote:Turrets ought to target unsynchronised cyborgs. AIs currently have little to no way to defend against these once they're created (even the flash in the core can't be chainstunned with). By the time a malfunctioning AI has the points to destroy RnD's infrastructure, robotics has almost always made a cyborg body, and they also have the bodies of all other cyborgs loyal to you, assuming they can kill at least one (or lock it down instead of blowing it up, via a console without your oversight).

For such a simple process it is annoyingly impossible to counter.

Just use the console? Or did you blow that up to defend your rogue borgs?

If you did, that's your own damn fault. To bad you got robusted by a single borg because all the humans died in a plasma fire(or in the case of CE and atmos techs, they were beaten to death).

AIs can't use the console against unsynced cyborgs; they can only access ones that are linked to them.

kazeespada wrote:

Cheimon wrote:Turrets ought to target unsynchronised cyborgs. AIs currently have little to no way to defend against these once they're created (even the flash in the core can't be chainstunned with). By the time a malfunctioning AI has the points to destroy RnD's infrastructure, robotics has almost always made a cyborg body, and they also have the bodies of all other cyborgs loyal to you, assuming they can kill at least one (or lock it down instead of blowing it up, via a console without your oversight).

For such a simple process it is annoyingly impossible to counter.

Just use the console? Or did you blow that up to defend your rogue borgs?

If you did, that's your own damn fault. To bad you got robusted by a single borg because all the humans died in a plasma fire(or in the case of CE and atmos techs, they were beaten to death).

The AI cannot see any cyborgs on the console that aren't synchronised to it.

If a cyborg isn't synchronised to the AI, humans can't be relied upon to blow it up (because it clearly shows as unsynced). In fact, it's normally the RD and roboticists who make an unsynced cyborg to kill the AI.

Just bolt and depower your damn doors, nobody will give a single shit if you do that.

I just hate AIs with a passion. Literally half my job as Atmos tech is to make sure an invisible eyeball doesnt start pumping plasma(which nearly always results in everyone dead). And it used to be metaable so I COULD ENJOY MY SHIFT, but you FUCKING WHINY ASS BITCH SILICON PLAYERS WHINED THAT THE ATMOS TECHS DISABLED PLASMA DESPITE MAKING A TON OF FUCKING SENSE.

Zilenan91 wrote:Just bolt and depower your damn doors, nobody will give a single shit if you do that.

Engiborg says hi.

kazeespada wrote:I just hate AIs with a passion. Literally half my job as Atmos tech is to make sure an invisible eyeball doesnt start pumping plasma(which nearly always results in everyone dead). And it used to be metaable so I COULD ENJOY MY SHIFT, but you FUCKING WHINY ASS BITCH SILICON PLAYERS WHINED THAT THE ATMOS TECHS DISABLED PLASMA DESPITE MAKING A TON OF FUCKING SENSE.

You know you can disconnect plasma if you have a good reason, right? "The AI's acting really weird" is a pretty good reason; "I'm going to use the turbine" is another.

kazeespada wrote:I just hate AIs with a passion. Literally half my job as Atmos tech is to make sure an invisible eyeball doesnt start pumping plasma(which nearly always results in everyone dead). And it used to be metaable so I COULD ENJOY MY SHIFT, but you FUCKING WHINY ASS BITCH SILICON PLAYERS WHINED THAT THE ATMOS TECHS DISABLED PLASMA DESPITE MAKING A TON OF FUCKING SENSE.

It's for the benefit of ALL traitors, the AI gets hit hardest due to not having a physical presence and cannot alter the pipes themselves.

Plus the pumps are ID-locked so there's not really any need to alter the pipe config unless you're specifically metaing the possibility of the AI being rogue.
(Like sec strip-searching someone without probable cause)

kazeespada wrote:I just hate AIs with a passion. Literally half my job as Atmos tech is to make sure an invisible eyeball doesnt start pumping plasma(which nearly always results in everyone dead). And it used to be metaable so I COULD ENJOY MY SHIFT, but you FUCKING WHINY ASS BITCH SILICON PLAYERS WHINED THAT THE ATMOS TECHS DISABLED PLASMA DESPITE MAKING A TON OF FUCKING SENSE.

hey mmm pal you should relax a bit

Wyzack wrote:That would be annoying as fuck though, they would spam out trying to constantly shoot people through the walls. Also smokebombs to avoid turrets is thematically pretty bad ass

Then have them all activate if they enter the room in addition to LOS. Just having line of sight to activate is too easy to cheese and AI defenses are too shoddy overall. 95% of people know easy ways to cheese AI turrets and there might as well be no core defense at this rate.

I just hate AIs with a passion. Literally half my job as Atmos tech is to make sure an invisible eyeball doesnt start pumping plasma(which nearly always results in everyone dead). And it used to be metaable so I COULD ENJOY MY SHIFT, but you FUCKING WHINY ASS BITCH SILICON PLAYERS WHINED THAT THE ATMOS TECHS DISABLED PLASMA DESPITE MAKING A TON OF FUCKING SENSE.

Maybe you should stay in atmos then so it can't do that without being caught? I dunno what the point of atmos is except to stay in atmos and do atmos things.

Zilenan91 wrote:Just bolt and depower your damn doors, nobody will give a single shit if you do that.

Engineering cyborgs (so, a good 70% of them now security borg doesn't exist) all have an RCD that can destroy airlocks in seconds. It is literally impossible to borg-proof your core.

Then tell your roboticists to have them change their model? AIs have infinite power and the capability to know literally everything yet they never think about how they could solve the problems they're faced.

I hate vault and floor safes please make them not shit thanks they make no sense

Zilenan91 wrote:Then tell your roboticists to have them change their model? AIs have infinite power and the capability to know literally everything yet they never think about how they could solve the problems they're faced.

Yes I am sure that the robotocists that unslave them in the first place would be very cooperative

Zilenan91 wrote:Just bolt and depower your damn doors, nobody will give a single shit if you do that.

Yeah I got banned for that