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Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:14 pm
by somerandomguy
MercuryArrow wrote:
somerandomguy wrote:
MercuryArrow wrote:
Anonmare wrote:Give me a number and I'll alter the force damage


I dunno, the standard 18-20 range seems fine if it's going to keep its current effects - still keeps it on the high end for null rod variants without being the best weapon on the station. Lower would be too drastic a change since it can't block, higher and it's too competitive with two-handers like the crafted fullsize chainsaw and fire axe.

oranges wrote:when you code it


This is a meme response for major changes and it's still a meme response for fixing simple and glaring balance issues. :D

It's a "meme response" because it's true. If you care about your proposed change and the maintainers will think it's a good idea, code it and it'll probably get merged. Chances are, no one else cares about it enough to do anything, especially with something as small as a null rod variant being a bit op.


No, it's a meme response because expecting random players with no direct connection to the project to do the jobs of people who actively volunteered would be completely ridiculous if done by any other kind of admin or contributor, yet coders and maintainers get away with it constantly - pushing the responsibility onto people with no knowledge of github with a snarky response is just an easy way of getting out of having to actually do anything. Even if it *were* reasonable, it's a recipe for balance issues, power creep and bloated features in the long run.
I'll start accepting it as a valid response when adminhelps starting get answered with "when you ban him".


In other minor bullshit not worth a thread - quirks screen still using a mix of both 'quirk' and 'trait' for terminology. Not sure if that's intended or just a minor oversight, but it's also worth mentioning while I'm at it here.

>implying you need to be a maintainer to code like you need to be an admin to do admin things

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:20 pm
by MercuryArrow
Course not, but if you can't see the absurdity of that as a universal response, especially in places like the minor feedback thread specifically intended for pointing this kind of thing out.... well...
At least I can chop down doors.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:22 pm
by somerandomguy
MercuryArrow wrote:Course not, but if you can't see the absurdity of that as a universal response, especially in places like the minor feedback thread specifically intended for pointing this kind of thing out.... well...
At least I can chop down doors.

It would be different if, say, someone had just finished coding null rods and wanted balance feedback

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:29 pm
by Anuv
AI on Lavaland cannot have laws changed, yet can control station safely. Cannot be hacked for law changes even with a hacked module. Intended?

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:59 pm
by Anonmare
You need to be on the same z-level to alter an AI's laws.

It's supposed to stop you from having an off-z-level AI Upload. Same with the comms console

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:03 pm
by factoryman942
what you can do is go to lavaland and build a console there

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:04 pm
by Anuv
Then the AI shouldn't be able to control the station from another z-level.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:03 pm
by Anuv
You can't set a custom location for the ops shuttle anymore. Gives some error message in chat about not synched up or something.

e: Warning: Shuttle connection severed!

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:49 am
by oranges
MercuryArrow wrote:
somerandomguy wrote:
MercuryArrow wrote:
Anonmare wrote:Give me a number and I'll alter the force damage


I dunno, the standard 18-20 range seems fine if it's going to keep its current effects - still keeps it on the high end for null rod variants without being the best weapon on the station. Lower would be too drastic a change since it can't block, higher and it's too competitive with two-handers like the crafted fullsize chainsaw and fire axe.

oranges wrote:when you code it


This is a meme response for major changes and it's still a meme response for fixing simple and glaring balance issues. :D

It's a "meme response" because it's true. If you care about your proposed change and the maintainers will think it's a good idea, code it and it'll probably get merged. Chances are, no one else cares about it enough to do anything, especially with something as small as a null rod variant being a bit op.


No, it's a meme response because expecting random players with no direct connection to the project to do the jobs of people who actively volunteered would be completely ridiculous if done by any other kind of admin or contributor, yet coders and maintainers get away with it constantly - pushing the responsibility onto people with no knowledge of github with a snarky response is just an easy way of getting out of having to actually do anything. Even if it *were* reasonable, it's a recipe for balance issues, power creep and bloated features in the long run.
I'll start accepting it as a valid response when adminhelps start getting answered with "when you ban him".

The only volunteers involved in the codebase are maintainers and they only volunteered to balance and review pr's that people made, they sure as shit didn't volunteer to implement every little change you or every other player out there thinks should be done. Coders show up at will and work on only what they want, we have no control over that.

The only valid response to someone asking for something to be done is literally "when you code it", every other person involved in the project has absolutely zero reason to do it for you and the people with the maintainer bit are only volunteering to make sure other peoples code meets standards and wont' completely fuck up the server if merged.

So tell me again why my response isn't valid

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:15 am
by Shadowflame909
The Kinetic crushers light isnt toggleable and burns shadow people. W e i r d.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:28 pm
by Anuv
Just found a probable bug - if you drag-open a container to yourself (like a toolbelt, in my instance) and it's stripped from you, you can still access it and take items out/put items in even when it's put inside a locked locker next to you. I was able to break out of a brig cell in a few seconds this way.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:14 am
by charmisokay
I think it is too easy to print AI upload console boards.
If the information on the wiki guide is correct, it seems like you can print these boards at all department techfabs given the proper research has been researched. One AI upload board costs 1000 glass and 20 acid. There's already a spare board on the station in the technological storage.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:35 pm
by SpaceManiac
charmisokay wrote:I think it is too easy to print AI upload console boards.
If the information on the wiki guide is correct, it seems like you can print these boards at all department techfabs given the proper research has been researched. One AI upload board costs 1000 glass and 20 acid. There's already a spare board on the station in the technological storage.


The acid requirement has been removed, but the upload board is now available to the science and engineering departments only.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:06 am
by Anonmare
Can the engie techfab/circuit printer still print AI modules? If so, remind me to change that. AI maintenance is Sci's domain

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:31 am
by charmisokay
SpaceManiac wrote:The acid requirement has been removed, but the upload board is now available to the science and engineering departments only.


That is much better. I still think it should be limited more. Maybe increase the cost so it's not just glass, at least.

One of the only things an asimov AI has control over right now is access to its minisat and the AI upload. Gaining access to the AI upload is perhaps the most intriguing and conflict ridden parts of the AI-human relationship, and a very fun gameplay dynamic. (Maybe second to gaining access to the AI core, but that is a much more rare occurance).
It kinda defeats the purpose of having a secure AI upload area if you can so easily pump in a handful of minutes worth of research and then poop out an AI console. Especially given the already existing console board in the secure technological storage. A lot of people have access to RnD or is given access after simply asking. Even if you can't get access to RnD it's not a very well secured room unless the shutters are down

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:21 pm
by DemonFiren
The idea behind this is that an upload board is utterly useless without the (reasonably expensive) law modules.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:56 pm
by charmisokay
DemonFiren wrote:The idea behind this is that an upload board is utterly useless without the (reasonably expensive) law modules.

Was the cost changed? Following the wiki guide, a single gold ingot is enough to print 20 freeform boards. You pretty much only need 1 freeform board and an upload console. (I know you need gold for a lot of other technology, but it's a resource that is relatively easy to get if you have miners, or even if a scientist goes down there for 5 minutes. Not to mention that you can get what, 3 ingots from the vault?)

Even from the traitors point of view, subverting the AI is not nearly as attractive when pretty much every round has somebody changing laws from their own personal console (and usually there will somebody opposing them by resetting the AI's laws from another console). And it's a massive disappointment for those who go through the AI upload area to upload a law, good or bad, when it's so easy to undo. Having an AI upload area is almost just bait for those who don't know how easy it is to make a new upload console.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:54 pm
by DemonFiren
Can you print law modules from non-Science printers?

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:00 am
by charmisokay
Unless that was changed, I believe AI modules are science-only. But again, RnD is one of the easiest places to gain access to. There's a lot of scientists and miners with access at roundstart, and people will often let you into RnD if you ask.
Even if they don't, you typically just have to break a window-door to get in. Even if the scientists lower the shutters, some maps have a maintenance door that leads straight to RnD in addition to the main science entrance. And RnD has a disposals bin for an easy escape afterwards.

Here's some anecdotal evidence. I'm not sure if this trend will change in the future, for the better or the worse, but it has been far less enjoyable to play AI recently because laws are usually more short lived and more meme-y, and impossible to prevent.
Out of the last five-ish rounds I've played AI, somebody has changed my laws from a printed console in three of those rounds (and somebody reset me from a printed console in three of those rounds). Nobody ever goes for the secure tech storage anymore, which would at least leave some evidence behind for others to follow.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:16 pm
by Anonmare
AI Module costs are a bit of a joke to be perfectly frank. A OneHuman module only costs "100 diamond" and one sheet of diamond yields 2000 in material amount.

AI Uploads don't even have any special material costs, hell, the weapon recharger is harder to make - at least that needs gold to manufacture


Actually, I'll go edit the values now, this is gonna bug me if leave it

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:59 pm
by DemonFiren
inb4 pr gets shot down

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:26 pm
by Anonmare
The pirate ship cutter vault is far too small now and it makes putting things like the beer kegs in a massive hassle.

Also the cutter still doesn't have any healing items for the pirate crew, as skeletons they do not process reagents and can only be healed by either: Magic, Milk or Mediguns.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:27 am
by Alipheese
We play the game for fun.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:26 am
by Denton
Anonmare wrote:The pirate ship cutter vault is far too small now and it makes putting things like the beer kegs in a massive hassle.

Also the cutter still doesn't have any healing items for the pirate crew, as skeletons they do not process reagents and can only be healed by either: Magic, Milk or Mediguns.


Vault size can be expanded if someone gets rid of the suit storage units (they're skeletons, they don't need space suits), the food and the bathroom. Looks like they also only have 2 jetpacks for 3 crewmembers.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:50 pm
by Nabski
Cargo Bounties are awesome.

As both botanist and virologist I love when someone gives me a request.

I'd bet it's the same for bartender, but I never play that.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:01 pm
by Lumbermancer
I need six chicken nuggs, three rice bolws and four pancakes Chef!

The fuck does Virologist do though? How much does herpes pay?

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:25 pm
by Nabski
The viro ones are typically "I need a virus with exactly this stat", and it's typically a pretty high number.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:34 pm
by Anonmare
Rod's still an overpowered spell tbh and way underpriced considering it's jaunt + Fireball + Knock all in one. Why even get those spells when Rod does it all?

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:39 am
by Anuv
Raven Battlecruiser appears to be unemaggable and cost me a successful hijack, please fix ASAP.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:21 pm
by Farquaar
The library scanner control interface can't be relocated, and it's not possible to build a new one as far as I'm aware.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:43 am
by Gun Hog
Mining Cyborg PKA's have a max calibration of 80. It would be nice if they could be boosted to 100, like the standard human one. Mining borgs did not get swapped over from the diamond mining drill to the jackhammer when the drill/jackhammer power swap happened either.

Second mining gripe: The Ripley plasma cutter was nerfed to 1/4 its power, but there are no other weapons it can use. It is still a stellar miner, but takes much longer to kill mining mobs now. I would be great if it had a heavy PKA (mech PKA with more calibration) or something like that to replace it.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:32 am
by Dr_bee
Gun Hog wrote:Mining Cyborg PKA's have a max calibration of 80. It would be nice if they could be boosted to 100, like the standard human one. Mining borgs did not get swapped over from the diamond mining drill to the jackhammer when the drill/jackhammer power swap happened either.

Second mining gripe: The Ripley plasma cutter was nerfed to 1/4 its power, but there are no other weapons it can use. It is still a stellar miner, but takes much longer to kill mining mobs now. I would be great if it had a heavy PKA (mech PKA with more calibration) or something like that to replace it.


I would rather just have the mech plasma cutter un-nerfed. It is a plasma cutter the size of a person, it can do decent damage.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:34 pm
by Anuv
Remove Nuka Cola's speed boost. A lot of people are now using it for the free adrenals speed. Saw some sec using it to rapidly zoom through the station in search of valids.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:29 am
by DemonFiren
Remember the iso Fallouts, when Nuka-Cola was addictive?

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:04 am
by Hathkar
Remove the sleep function on the abudctor's baton, and replace it with the radio silencer device. As it is now, there's no reason to use the radio silencer over the sleep, and you have to take an extra few seconds to pull the silencer out.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:50 am
by DemonFiren
Radio silencer is long-range, though, isn't it.

Anyway. When was the safe loot changed to be so fucking disappointing?

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:31 am
by confused rock
Has anyone seen the "trance" brain trauma do anything interesting? it's just dumb. Hypno flash is really finicky but that's a whole other story.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:39 am
by somerandomguy
Trance being interesting is heavily based on radio chatter
It's also pretty rare afaik so you won't see it much

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:33 pm
by confused rock
Is it just me or are the new shoe sprites nasty and they feel really outta place? Call me an oldfag whining about change but the shoes look so weird now

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:41 pm
by DemonFiren
99% of new sprites are nasty and out of place
0% of new sprites will be reverted

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:26 am
by PKPenguin321
confused rock wrote:Is it just me or are the new shoe sprites nasty and they feel really outta place? Call me an oldfag whining about change but the shoes look so weird now

i agree, they clash super hard with all the other clothing sprites

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:29 am
by Farquaar
It's probably because I only started playing in 2018, but I rather like the new shoe sprites.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:16 am
by oranges
well that's how sprites go, they're ugly until all the people who liked the old ones are gone.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:02 am
by PKPenguin321
oranges wrote:well that's how sprites go, they're ugly until all the people who liked the old ones are gone.

It's not even that i prefer the old ones, i actually wanted the new shoe sprites when i saw the PR, but seeing them juxtaposed against the other clothing sprites when actually playing in game is really really weird. They don't fit at all

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:20 pm
by Mickyan
They don't really fit with the rest of the sprites, most noticeable is how they have very marked black outlines, while most of the sprites have soft edges

I don't know if I would even call it an improvement, they're just a different style except now they clash with everything else

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:46 pm
by Shadowflame909
somerandomguy wrote:Trance being interesting is heavily based on radio chatter
It's also pretty rare afaik so you won't see it much


I got trance once, The request was some random phrase like "She needs to be robusted"

I didn't know how to interpret that.

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:11 pm
by somerandomguy
Shadowflame909 wrote:
somerandomguy wrote:Trance being interesting is heavily based on radio chatter
It's also pretty rare afaik so you won't see it much


I got trance once, The request was some random phrase like "She needs to be robusted"

I didn't know how to interpret that.

You can interpret it any way you like including "she (the nearest or all female character(s), you decide) needs to be robusted --> nobody else is doing it --> time to robust them"

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:20 pm
by Tlaltecuhtli
you can make sure she is robusted by killing everyone

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:24 pm
by confused rock
Hey if I made xray give you reduced vision range like binoculars and also removed ugly shoe sprites would that be a good idea

Re: Minor Feedback

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:15 pm
by somerandomguy
confused rock wrote:Hey if I made xray give you reduced vision range like binoculars and also removed ugly shoe sprites would that be a good idea

Just make X-ray cause the thermal eye damage thing instead but otherwise yeah