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Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:32 am
by CPTANT
Removing AI shuttle calls is pretty much a no-brainer for this goal.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:14 am
by Tarchonvaagh
These are actually good ideas, can't wait to see em in the game

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:37 pm
by cacogen
just had a seven minute rev round or maybe it was dynamic i don't know the difference. i was trying to learn plumbing
if it's less than 40 minutes in and there's more people alive than dead don't end the round. spawn more antags. this applies to wizard too
no one likes starting a job only to lose progress ten minutes in
don't hinge the entire round on the robustness of one or only a few antags

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:54 am
by Farquaar
Hypothetical Situation wrote:Crewmemer: HELP AI THERE ARE SPIDERS EVERYWHERE THE BRIDGE EXPLODED AND THE ENGINE IS DELAMMING CALL THE SHUTTLE

Doorknob: Iol nope, some dude thought hour-long rounds were too short so we're goin' down with the ship boyo

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:12 am
by Qbopper
Farquaar wrote:
Hypothetical Situation wrote:Crewmemer: HELP AI THERE ARE SPIDERS EVERYWHERE THE BRIDGE EXPLODED AND THE ENGINE IS DELAMMING CALL THE SHUTTLE

Doorknob: Iol nope, some dude thought hour-long rounds were too short so we're goin' down with the ship boyo


you could make the same post but from the perspective of "AI THE HALLS ARE MESSY AND THERE'S A ONE TILE BREACH FROM SOMEONE SPAMMING IEDS AND I DIDN'T ROLL ANTAG CALL IT CALL IT CALL IT"

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:55 am
by Farquaar
As of now, one is still allowed to recall frivolous shuttle requests.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:21 am
by cacogen
Farquaar wrote:
Hypothetical Situation wrote:Crewmemer: HELP AI THERE ARE SPIDERS EVERYWHERE THE BRIDGE EXPLODED AND THE ENGINE IS DELAMMING CALL THE SHUTTLE

you should try dealing with the problems before calling it unless there's too few people alive for it to be practical or it's an unusually long round
disasters are fun to try to survive through

i came here to say change revolution so that it starts with three revheads again. revheads (and the wizard) dying early happens too often.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:25 am
by cacogen
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Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:40 pm
by oranges
- Remove the AI's ability to call the shuttle.
- Increase the recall timer from half to something like 66%-75%.
- Hard-increase the shuttle fuelling time to about 30 minutes.

I'd be interested in trying

- Make antagweight in the following round higher depending on the length of the current one.
This seems like it will just lead to one long round followed by a short one, we should instead reward long rounds by injecting cooler mid round antags

- Ramp up midround antag spawning during the shuttle call timer if said call happens past a certain time.
Not a bad idea I guess
- Add/improve independent station victory conditions, and make shift times a part of said victory conditions.
- Even better, give some station-sided individuals objectives that help the station with the possibility of greentext.
I've wanted more of these but nobody ever codes them
- Ruin saving.
Map loading works, but map saving has not been touched in a very long time

- Change Extended, or add a new mode, Extended-Dynamic.
Dynamic occasionally introducing no antags in the first 10-20 minutes would be an interesting tweak


- Give crew an in-game excuse and avenue to stop playing if they don't want to continue without ending the round.
We should add sleepers in the dorms that allow a ghost to take you over, otherwise you can suicide or ghost (perhaps allow takeover of ghosted players?)

- Make roundtypes mulligan on a wooly bit of logic if the station wins in a surviving manner early enough (that includes revs).
not sure I follow this
- Make an achievement for playing a round for five hours without disconnecting.
This is easy to do

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:00 pm
by deedubya
- Remove the AI's ability to call the shuttle.

Yes please, or make it double the fuel timer(eg. crew can call at 20, AI has to wait until 40)

- Increase the recall timer from half to something like 66%-75%.
- Hard-increase the shuttle fuelling time to about 30 minutes.

please god no

- Make antagweight in the following round higher depending on the length of the current one.
This seems like it will just lead to one long round followed by a short one, we should instead reward long rounds by injecting cooler mid round antags

100% agreed. I proposed something for this a while back, that would organically lead to rounds that have gone on too long to end faster: Double the rate at which midrounds spawn every half an hour. 100% at 0:00, 200% at 0:30, 400% at 1:00, etc. Gets more ghosts back in the round, and leads to more naturally caused mayhem that can end the round, instead of relying on adminbussing or "I'm bored let's go home" calls to kill a 2 hour round.

- Ramp up midround antag spawning during the shuttle call timer if said call happens past a certain time.
Not a bad idea I guess

read above

- Add/improve independent station victory conditions, and make shift times a part of said victory conditions.
- Even better, give some station-sided individuals objectives that help the station with the possibility of greentext.
I've wanted more of these but nobody ever codes them

>has the ability and knowledge to code
>wants a feature
>has control of the codebase to boot
WYCI, bruh.


- Change Extended, or add a new mode, Extended-Dynamic.
Dynamic occasionally introducing no antags in the first 10-20 minutes would be an interesting tweak

Extended dynamic with this concept actually seems really cool. It would actually be a greenshift for the first bit, and then antags would get generated from the existing populace, rather than relying on ghosts for midrounds.


- Give crew an in-game excuse and avenue to stop playing if they don't want to continue without ending the round.
We should add sleepers in the dorms that allow a ghost to take you over, otherwise you can suicide or ghost (perhaps allow takeover of ghosted players?)

Other servers have cryosleep as a solution to this. It permanently takes the player out of the round, and I believe also removes the job from the manifest, so it can be re-selected by a midround joiner. I believe citcode is the most prominent user of this, it might be worth looking into to port the feature.

- Make roundtypes mulligan on a wooly bit of logic if the station wins in a surviving manner early enough (that includes revs).
not sure I follow this

I think I get the intent. Basically, if you valid the wizard or the revs win/lose in the first few minutes, the round mulligans instead of ends outright. This isn't a bad idea. That being said, I think a dead wizard should mulligan the round regardless of how long the wizard has been around. Blitz unrobust wiznerd rounds are no fun for anyone involved.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:16 pm
by Istoprocent1
In my humble opinion the best way to make average rounds longer is to have a dedicated server for longer rounds, where shuttle doesn't come within first 60 minutes and has respawns enabled.

The real question is but why? Why would you want to extend the average round time? The game plays best in 30-60 minute bursts. During these bursts there is enough content to explore and enough mystery to be solved as well as enough RP that can be done. With the removal of Dynamic the gameplay becomes even more linear - once you know there is a cult you can ignore most other threats etc. 90-180 minute rounds means that the game is just being stretched out for the sole reason of "making it longer", even though there is nothing to do and the "late game" content is either non-existent or "pretty lame" - everybody having xray, hulk, particle accelerators etc.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:11 am
by oranges
the reason why is because not everyone plays the game the way you do

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:18 am
by PKPenguin321
can somebody clarify how long we want it? i really thought we were about good, averaging about an hour per round. that was the goal back when we averaged like 20 minutes and we've hit it, and you want it even longer now, so how long?

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:00 am
by deedubya
oranges wrote:the reason why is because not everyone plays the game the way you do

You're right. Most people here are grown ass adults with not as much free time as they used to have. Shorter rounds = more chances to actually fit in a few rounds of spessmen = more opportunities for different experiences per round = more chances to roll for antag.

Although as I mentioned above, forcing longer rounds unnaturally is not the answer if you want longer round times. More jobs need more and longer lasting content. Even the most autistic of the jobs, being botany/xenobio/atmos tend to be functionally "complete" in around an hour. Other jobs don't even come close, and many are simply reactionary. Decreasing the lethality and destructive capability of traitors would also increase round times naturally by virtue of just always having a more capable station able to continue operating normally.

That being said, I still don't see any point in bringing the average up from what we currently seem to have (1h). What's your goal for the average round? What reason do you have for wanting to see that goal? Why is it a good thing for the majority of the populace to further increase round times? I know you're used to being unaccountable because the codebus is basically untouchable, but making the game into a 3 hour long snoozefest has much larger ramifications than any major rework you guys have pushed out in the history of the game, and definitely needs justification.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:33 am
by skoglol
My understanding is we want to extend the minimum time, which in turn would increase the average time. That is why increasing the shuttle timer and removing AI shuttle calls both seem reasonable options.

Extending it much past an hour at this point in time would require some crew content first.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:17 pm
by deedubya
Artificially extending the minimum time isn't a good answer, not without putting limits on the capabilities of antags through either code or policy. How does having to wait 10 extra minutes for the shuttle to be called add anything aside from further frustration to a murderboner wizard round where they've killed most of the station 15 minutes in? Just leads to more deadchat salt, more people whining "orang men badd", and nothing added to the game but unnecessary frustration.

I get that people want to do certain aspects of their jobs that may require longer round times, but a fundamental part of this game is that rounds typically don't go according to your ideal vision of them. Sometimes half the station explodes early on and the shuttle gets called 20 minutes in on red alert. Them's the breaks. It's disheartening, but it also keeps players coming back - maybe they'll get to try again next round!

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:09 pm
by skoglol
Maybe antags wouldnt have to jump head first into a murderbone if the shuttle wasnt called so early? Maybe engineers would actually have some job content if we didnt just immediately call shuttle over SM faliure or a single bomb? A lot of the crew content that currently exists is based around fixing and rebuilding, but instead players get to choose the easy way out by resetting the round early. Shuttle calling is a shit mechanic, and I wish I had a good idea for something to replace it.

I think we can also all agree that good antag gimmicks are preferable to murderbones, but if you cannot rely on getting enough round time to prepare literally anything then people arent going to do them. If your preferred server has longer rounds, great. That means it wont be greatly affected by the proposed changes.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:27 pm
by Istoprocent1
skoglol wrote:I think we can also all agree that good antag gimmicks are preferable to murderbones, but if you cannot rely on getting enough round time to prepare literally anything then people arent going to do them.


It all boils down "gitting gut". 60 minutes is more than enough to accomplish most of the gimmicks. A newfriend might need 120 minutes to set up a thing that an experienced player can do in 10 minutes.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:15 pm
by skoglol
60 minute rounds are okay, 30 minute ones over stubbed toes and law 2 shuttle calls are not.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:58 am
by deedubya
For the record, I agree that 30 minute stubbed toe calls are horseshit as well. But admins can and do punish people for frivolous shuttle calls. Not every 20 minute call is because people are lazy, though. Quite often, the station is being sabotaged at a rate that can't be kept up with. An engine room explosion is often enough to warrant a call on its own, especially after the nuking of the engineering budget. The nerfs to medbay mean it's harder for medbay staff to keep up with the flow of bodies during a muderbone. The greyshit culture means there's never enough security to contain a robust boner. Toxins can rush maxcaps in 5-10 minutes, and have 6 massive holes in the station before the shuttle can even be called. There's plenty of reasons that an early call can be warranted. The response of "oh just fix it you lazy bums" isn't always a solution. Different circumstances warrant different responses.

tl;dr increasing refuel time to 30 would do nothing but add aggravation given the current state of the game and playerbase.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:51 am
by oranges
I've already stated it's 60 to 90 minutes

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:31 pm
by skoglol
deedubya wrote:An engine room explosion is often enough to warrant a call on its own


SM delam shuttle call should give you ckey linked permanent brain damage.

You might disagree, but actually making people fix shit instead of resetting the round is something I want to see happen. You dont NEED the SM. You dont NEED robotics. And if you think you do, go rebuild it. Take the challenge for once.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:03 pm
by Shadowflame909
A good alternative could be cargo ordering PAC gens in bulk.

Can cargo order that?

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:46 pm
by skoglol
They can be built in the engi techfab and the circuit imprinter. There are lots of options, just noone ever needs to explore them.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:02 pm
by cacogen
I agree with what you're saying in theory skoglol but you're ignoring how tedious, finicky and boring large scale construction actually is (which it wouldn't be if a lot of people were working on it, but that rarely if ever happens)

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:20 pm
by oranges
cacogen wrote:I agree with what you're saying in theory skoglol but you're ignoring how tedious, finicky and boring large scale construction actually is (which it wouldn't be if a lot of people were working on it, but that rarely if ever happens)

this is definitely true, the whole slap things together in your hands crafting method is what causes this to fall down, i'm of the view we need to radically simplify construction.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:21 pm
by deedubya
oranges wrote:I've already stated it's 60 to 90 minutes

Don't you think we've already achieved that as an average, though? Anecdotal, but I've had loads of hour+ rounds, even on highpop hours. Speaking of pop, you should keep in mind that round length tends to be the inverse of the number of people playing at the time, which makes an overall average hard to collect.

skoglol wrote:
deedubya wrote:An engine room explosion is often enough to warrant a call on its own


SM delam shuttle call should give you ckey linked permanent brain damage.

You might disagree, but actually making people fix shit instead of resetting the round is something I want to see happen. You dont NEED the SM. You dont NEED robotics. And if you think you do, go rebuild it. Take the challenge for once.

Believe me, I'm one of the first people that likes to build backup engines over calling the shuttle when the SM goes banan. But if cargo isn't on their game, it's not really possible anymore. You can't just nick the engi budget(RIP budget cards) and build a backup engine. If cargo blew all the points on ATVs and mosins like usual, you're forced to spend half an hour building and dragging pacmans everywhere, assuming the crew is even willing to wait that long.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:22 pm
by oranges
I don’t' care if we achieved it or not, it's the number to use for balancing things, it has nothing to do with the actual server round times other than they should roughly over time align to it.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:56 pm
by imsxz
i havent read all the other posts but if nobody has suggested yet paradise handles it very well: after a certain amount of time in the round(set in config), there's a vote for a "crew transfer" that calls the shuttle. if it doesnt pass, it waits a bit and does another vote, basically forever until the shuttle is called manually or via the vote. When I played, there was no "im bored" shuttle calls, people would just wait until the crew transfer. The vote was like any other vote, anyone online can vote. On paradise the config was at 2 hours, most rounds lasted at LEAST 2 hours, unless there was a genuine emergency. 2 hours might be too long for /tg/, but that's why config exists. I believe it is an easy, simple, and harmless way to set a standard for round times. Worst case scenario, people ignore it and call the shuttle before the designated round time because they are bored.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:37 pm
by oranges
This is not a bad idea, a starting config of 90 minutes seems fine to me.

Do they allow manual shuttle calls?

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:00 pm
by Shadowflame909
yeah paradise doesn't call shuttles.

They call ERTs. Ghost roles and all that.

But paradise also gives security and head of staff members death alarm implants that blares location on comms.

Different way of doing thing, certainly harsher on the antags

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:06 pm
by oranges
you didn't answer my question

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:40 pm
by imsxz
they do allow manual shuttle calls.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:19 am
by Istoprocent1
Forcing a call 75-90 minutes in as well as allowing earlier manual calls (like now) sounds reasonable.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:59 am
by oranges
we're not going to force a call ever, so discard that theory

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:38 am
by XivilaiAnaxes
skoglol wrote:
deedubya wrote:An engine room explosion is often enough to warrant a call on its own


SM delam shuttle call should give you ckey linked permanent brain damage.

You might disagree, but actually making people fix shit instead of resetting the round is something I want to see happen. You dont NEED the SM. You dont NEED robotics. And if you think you do, go rebuild it. Take the challenge for once.


Honestly, engine delams will only ever occur because the engineers are morons or because antags have killed them all and have taken control of the engine room and/or AI to ensure a delam. In either case nobody is going to be in a position to fix it.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:27 pm
by MisterPerson
oranges wrote:
cacogen wrote:I agree with what you're saying in theory skoglol but you're ignoring how tedious, finicky and boring large scale construction actually is (which it wouldn't be if a lot of people were working on it, but that rarely if ever happens)

this is definitely true, the whole slap things together in your hands crafting method is what causes this to fall down, i'm of the view we need to radically simplify construction.


Just gonna quote this here because I think slow construction leads to lots of other problems, not just i ded pls restart.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:48 pm
by skoglol
XivilaiAnaxes wrote:Honestly, engine delams will only ever occur because the engineers are morons or because antags have killed them all and have taken control of the engine room and/or AI to ensure a delam. In either case nobody is going to be in a position to fix it.


If you can't fix the SM, start looking into alternate power sources. People are happy to moonlight engineering the rest of the time, lets not pretend we actually need engineers to get by. Besides, there are plenty of SM delams that dont cause a lot of damage to station or crew. SM gone is a shit shuttle reason, since even solars can power the station alone.

A lot of the issues you see with SM delams are directly caused by the shuttle getting called over it. If people know they have to deal with it, they will in time adjust and start knowing how to deal with it. Some traitors also sabotage the SM to cause a shuttle call for whatever reason.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:19 pm
by Gamarr
Extending the average episode time is not gonna ever really work if the overall thing isn't reworked, too. As it is the server/station is like a dude doing the balancing plates trick. Each plate spinning is a representation of a facet of the server after it starts. One plate is the mode, each dept is its own plate, there's another, or five, for the rng antagonists, another for power, and the list goes on and on, with the crew each adding their own several plates as they follow their own greytiding/gimmicks. These plates will smack into eachother and come down, and easily can bring down the whole setup with just a few of them doing that.

The game goes 'too fast' right now. You can cross the station in seconds, you can die/be healed similarly, just to start with the crew. The way it is designed, the station is incredibly easy to sabotage ("hue hue, this is intended" is not a good answer when this heavily influences the game but is refused outright to even be examined), and unless you want to make the game less reliant on random fuckups, it needs compartmentalization of several levels.

Each individual crewman has TOO MUCH power over the present rounds. There's no physical barriers that matter to keep people out of things on the station, hacking is something any crew can do because there still is zero skills/traits systems to differentiate people from one another, and sabotage takes a tiny fraction of effort from a tiny portion of the stations crew, leading to what is now normal for rounds.

Slow the game down and this is possible through a bunch of factors, all of which are gonna piss people off and change the game in fundamental ways.
It's all or nothing.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:10 pm
by Taraiph
skoglol wrote:
XivilaiAnaxes wrote:Honestly, engine delams will only ever occur because the engineers are morons or because antags have killed them all and have taken control of the engine room and/or AI to ensure a delam. In either case nobody is going to be in a position to fix it.


If you can't fix the SM, start looking into alternate power sources. People are happy to moonlight engineering the rest of the time, lets not pretend we actually need engineers to get by. Besides, there are plenty of SM delams that dont cause a lot of damage to station or crew. SM gone is a shit shuttle reason, since even solars can power the station alone.

A lot of the issues you see with SM delams are directly caused by the shuttle getting called over it. If people know they have to deal with it, they will in time adjust and start knowing how to deal with it. Some traitors also sabotage the SM to cause a shuttle call for whatever reason.


There's a few things wrong in this here statement.

1: Solars are shit, they give shit for power, and setting them up is boring and tedious. Toss down the cables, set the panels to auto, 200/190 the SME, go off to do the next one. This assumes that you don't have to repair them after random debris/rods blast through your assembly midway through the round and fuck up power generation.

2: These servers adapt to nothing, understand less than that, and refuse to learn shit. You should know this by now.

3: SM delams are a symptom of things going wrong, not the cause. Unless, of course, the CE is doing a galaxy-brained SM setup, in which case the complete annihilation of anywhere between half and all of the station is to be expected. If that doesn't warrant a shuttle call then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:03 pm
by delaron
Perhaps tie the Ai's ability to call a shuttle to % station destroyed and or %population alive vs dead? Default the AI cant call the shuttle. If people turn on suit sensors (lol) and the percent alive to dead meets a defined threshold then the ai can call the shuttle.

I am personally good with 60 - 90 minute rounds. Any longer and I would have to generally bow out due to irl responsibilities.

I agree with the idea of bringing in sleepers in the dorms to retire your play and allow someone else to pick it back up as a way to reduce grey tide antag rollers grief.

Expanding on station goals with department tasks is also a grand idea but that requires coders code it. So many ideas so few coders :) (I'm seriously considering coding a couple department goals.)

What is the general vibe about admins adding content to rounds? Any time I have ran a ad hoc small event it extended the round time because there was a focus outside of the antag kill valid hunter kill cycle. Should we lean on that more, less meh?

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:14 pm
by cacogen
oranges wrote:
imsxz wrote:after a certain amount of time in the round(set in config), there's a vote for a "crew transfer" that calls the shuttle. if it doesnt pass, it waits a bit and does another vote, basically forever until the shuttle is called manually or via the vote
This is not a bad idea, a starting config of 90 minutes seems fine to me.

You're rarely going to get to 90 minutes on our server. It'd probably have to be lowpop. Based on my experience the average round length is about 40 minutes. But that's too short. I think a better number for the first vote should be 60 minutes, in the hopes that people who are bored by 40 minutes wait the extra 20 for the vote as imsxz says happens on Paradise.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:38 pm
by skoglol
Taraiph wrote:There's a few things wrong in this here statement.

1: Solars are shit, they give shit for power, and setting them up is boring and tedious. Toss down the cables, set the panels to auto, 200/190 the SME, go off to do the next one. This assumes that you don't have to repair them after random debris/rods blast through your assembly midway through the round and fuck up power generation.

2: These servers adapt to nothing, understand less than that, and refuse to learn shit. You should know this by now.

3: SM delams are a symptom of things going wrong, not the cause. Unless, of course, the CE is doing a galaxy-brained SM setup, in which case the complete annihilation of anywhere between half and all of the station is to be expected. If that doesn't warrant a shuttle call then I'm not sure what to tell you.


1: Solars arent fun, but if you hotwire the smes or add new smes they can supply all of meta at least.

2: Stasis beds and cobbychem would like a word with you. I still keep walking out of medbay alive, disproving this ice cold take.

3: If the station is in a state of crisis, that should be the trigger for the shuttle call. Calling because the SM is delamming is dumb. We should overall stop assuming there is a crisis before it becomes apparent, it would make for better gameplay.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:38 pm
by oranges
cacogen wrote:
oranges wrote:
imsxz wrote:after a certain amount of time in the round(set in config), there's a vote for a "crew transfer" that calls the shuttle. if it doesnt pass, it waits a bit and does another vote, basically forever until the shuttle is called manually or via the vote
This is not a bad idea, a starting config of 90 minutes seems fine to me.

You're rarely going to get to 90 minutes on our server. It'd probably have to be lowpop. Based on my experience the average round length is about 40 minutes. But that's too short. I think a better number for the first vote should be 60 minutes, in the hopes that people who are bored by 40 minutes wait the extra 20 for the vote as imsxz says happens on Paradise.

I literally dont' care, I have set a target of 90 and as we move more stuff to that, the rounds will simply follow naturally.

Re: How do we extend average round time?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:39 pm
by OFQ
AI shuttle call is meh mechanic since "monkey son organic abortions" are in constant danger at the station and any self respecting AI should call the shuttle ASAP.

Also AIs tend to get bored real fast, especially if nothing happens so they start to bait condom and heads for a shuttle call request or simply call it themselves if a human stabs a toe(or how the saying goes). + for antags it is impossible to prevent shuttle call without hacking AI. This kinda sucks.