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Sheodir wrote: Honestly, this is all coming to mean "removing cloning necessitates remapping the entirety of Medbay".

Super Aggro Crag wrote:Im gonna catch a lot of flack for this but i would be happy if cloning was brought back but with stiffer requirements like needing the broth to be stocked with chemicals and having the person doing the cloning having to sit there and babysit the tube and perform maintenance minigames to ensure the clone doesnt come out nonviable, fucked up, or as a ravenous hostile blob of angry tumors. The doctor still has to be "engaged" and i would NOT BE IN THE MIDDLE OF FUCKING MEDBAY DEALING WITH ALL THESE RETARDS SHOVING PAST ME FOR THE SOLE REASON OF MAKING MY DAY A LITTLE MORE IRRITATING.

Plus i like the cloning fitting with Nanotrasen being so callous with their employees lives and souls and i miss having lots of dead bodies that were cloned that you could harvest organa from, play with, and turn into burgies

Grazyn wrote:From what I've seen, the new reviving is faster than old cloning

Grazyn wrote:Also I hate cobbychem because I don't understand it

Dr_bee wrote:treating people is done in a high as fuck traffic area because stasis beds are too good not to use.

Super Aggro Crag wrote:Ii would NOT BE IN THE MIDDLE OF FUCKING MEDBAY DEALING WITH ALL THESE RETARDS SHOVING PAST ME FOR THE SOLE REASON OF MAKING MY DAY A LITTLE MORE IRRITATING.

Sheodir wrote:Maybe Medbay could have some form of "Spacing Treatment Kit" of some sort that starts with a couple patches amidst random burn treatment and epinephrine medipens. Not a lot, but just something to offset roundstart husks.

Kryson wrote:snippity snoppity this post was enormity

skoglol wrote:I agree with a stasis nerf, likely maling them part reliant. I have some ideas for how that would work.

PKPenguin321 wrote:

skoglol wrote:I agree with a stasis nerf, likely maling them part reliant. I have some ideas for how that would work.

Would be cool if it slowed body functions instead of stopping them outright when you have no upgrades. How slow would be upgrade dependent with the full stop at max upgrade, and then you could toggle between speeds with alt-click.

Sheodir wrote: This is like the shadow opposite of the pro cloning complaints by people who don't play, anti cloning complaints by people who don't play

Stasis beds are used because they're needed, formaldehyde has a lot overdose threshold and tends to go by too fast by tics in its current form.

Kryson wrote: This is a very ironic post.

I am well aware how the formaldehyde corpse preservation mechanic works, because i was the one who added it.

formaldehyde has no overdose threshold.

formaldehyde is a toxin, which means 3u and below is pretty much harmless.

1u formaldehyde is enough to keep a corpse fresh forever since corpses do not process reagent. Something with an infinite duration cannot reasonably be considered to wear off too fast.

Cobby wrote:when they are alive they get processed like every other reagent, toxins specifically getting btfo'd by the liver at a threshold.

formaldehyde to my knowledge doesn't husk a corpse and it's a trash poison if you plan on using it as such.

Sheodir wrote:I'm not crazy

skoglol wrote:

Sheodir wrote:I'm not crazy

You are crazy.

Formaldehyde and histamine does all the other damage types but burn, the only one able to husk you.

Sheodir wrote: I consider basically husking the corpse the overdose. However, the fact the reagent never ticks down is new to me. I use the analyzer on corpses a little after bringing them to Medbay and the formaldehyde is usually missing from the chems list. Are you sure they're not processed or lost somehow? Are they phased out when the patient is revived?

NecromancerAnne wrote:I just wanna say, this has made saving plasmamen that much harder as any role in medical. If at the very least it's definitely made plasmamen that much more difficult to survive as on the station since there isn't actually even a last resort method to revive them sort of body transplants.

NecromancerAnne wrote:I just wanna say, this has made saving plasmamen that much harder as any role in medical. If at the very least it's definitely made plasmamen that much more difficult to survive as on the station since there isn't actually even a last resort method to revive them sort of body transplants.

skoglol wrote:Changeling suck makes you not viable for revival, that part is intentional and was like that before cloning removal as well. You get ling succed? You're out, permanently.

Should probably just replace the brain organ with a dried out/shrunk one though to make it more clear to doctors as they extract it.

skoglol wrote:Changeling suck makes you not viable for revival, that part is intentional and was like that before cloning removal as well. You get ling succed? You're out, permanently.

Should probably just replace the brain organ with a dried out/shrunk one though to make it more clear to doctors as they extract it.

skoglol wrote:You are wrong.

Anonmare wrote:

skoglol wrote:You are wrong.

Afraid you're wrong this time Skogol, maxed out cloners could absolutely clone ling victims.

Copybass wrote:Had a really fucked up round last night on Manuel where a muderboning lingtraitor killed me almost immediately into a round. I was a traitor myself, so I waited through being husked and recovered as my body was taken to medbay for repairs. They didn't dehusk me, and rather took my brain out to put into a new body. My brain however, didn't move my soul, so my soul remained in the husked body unable to be used, and they created a catatonic body with my brain in it, leaving me and another husked player to give up and find ghost roles.

Now I'm assuming this was a bug, but this took around 30 minutes of medbay running around, getting the monkey people, and they had no idea that the brain was buggy or otherwise, and I assume they simply thought I ghosted on them when they attempted the brain swap. It was absolutely pain for those of us in dchat, and it was absolutely pain for the medbay players who had to waste their time doing it, since it happened to at least two separate players in the round - meaning they were much less likely to attempt to save any other husks, assuming they would all be the same situation.

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skoglol wrote:Changeling suck makes you not viable for revival, that part is intentional and was like that before cloning removal as well. You get ling succed? You're out, permanently.

Should probably just replace the brain organ with a dried out/shrunk one though to make it more clear to doctors as they extract it.

[19:10:12] Runtime in brain_item.dm,88: bad index
  proc name: transfer identity (/obj/item/organ/brain/proc/transfer_identity)
  usr: JJRcop/(Taryn Summy)
  usr.loc: (Medbay Treatment Center (134, 109, 2))
  src: Scotty Northey\'s brain (/obj/item/organ/brain)
  src.loc: null
  call stack:
  Scotty Northey\'s brain (/obj/item/organ/brain): transfer identity(Scotty Northey (/mob/living/carbon/human))
  Scotty Northey\'s brain (/obj/item/organ/brain): Remove(Scotty Northey (/mob/living/carbon/human), 0, 0)
  manipulate organs (/datum/surgery_step/manipulate_organs): success(Taryn Summy (/mob/living/carbon/human), Scotty Northey (/mob/living/carbon/human), "head", the hemostat (/obj/item/hemostat), Organ manipulation (/datum/surgery/organ_manipulation), null)
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skoglol wrote:Just another reason cloning should have gone then. I cant imagine that was intentional, and it was likely a byproduct of husks being cloneable at t4.

PKPenguin321 wrote:A mindswap device would be pretty killer, big machine with two seats that you gotta strap dudes into and lower the dome hats onto em then pull a frankenstein style lever and use a bunch of power and shwoomp, brains get swapped out

Copybass wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:A mindswap device would be pretty killer, big machine with two seats that you gotta strap dudes into and lower the dome hats onto em then pull a frankenstein style lever and use a bunch of power and shwoomp, brains get swapped out

Loving the idea that NT technology just keeps regressing further and further into mad science and belief in the soul.

This would be great but of course it would need to include Flime chance for flavor

Grazyn wrote:Speaking of ghosts, there's a way to solve the issue of doctors being frustrated because dead players leave instead of waiting to be revived: pull a ghost when the body is revived, just like cult resurrection

imsxz wrote:this was probably mentioned already but I’d like to see empty cloning and experimental cloning back.

CDranzer wrote:What if you replaced stasis beds with stasis scanners - visually like sleepers but with stasis and without chem injections and maybe with an advanced scanner built in? That way you can't operate on them while they're stasised but you can still put them on ice.

Maybe make surgery tables cut decay in half or something?

PKPenguin321 wrote:
Things I think could use changing:
- Turning monkeys into humans with mutadone is kind of awkward, a machine that does it might be cooler