/tg/Station 13

I'd severely nerf the actual lung damage of cigarettes and instead just implement a 0.01% chance or something of lung cancer per tick smoking for both more engaging gameplay and not being annoying to do
I put one in my mouth I'm coughing within a couple minutes and straight up dying of severe lung damage if the round crosses that hour mark, it's very annoying

I mean it is a negative quirk. Are you chain smoking?

why do cigars cause lung damage, you're not supposed to inhale a cigar

wesoda25 wrote:I mean it is a negative quirk. Are you chain smoking?

I'm not using it as a quirk I just have my char smoking a lot quirks are for snowflakes
but yes I'm chugging them one after the other god bless america

(seriously though is the reason they're balanced like this because of fucking quirks)

Super Aggro Crag wrote:why do cigars cause lung damage, you're not supposed to inhale a cigar

I'm pretty sure they cause MORE lung damage too

consider it a moral hazard

oranges wrote:consider it a moral hazard

That ain't it chief

A moral hazard in this case would if aside from yourself you caused marginal lung damage to bystanders too when you were smoking, and thus 'moral hazard' would refer to the constant threat of being justifiably beat up by others for constant minor but annoying damage ticks from being in their proximity with this shit in your mouth

actually that does sound way better

if nothing else i feel like detective should start with a trait that massively reduces permanent lung damage from smoking since thats his entire thing

How about smoking damage is halved to the smoker, but everyone around gets full damage via secondhand smoke? Secondhand smoke is more dangerous after all.

Smoking 1 cigarette & getting shortness of breath spam & constant coughing is a funny oversight at first that quickly becomes annoying.

I play with smoker and the lung damage has pretty much never impacted me once even on longer rounds. You just need to not constantly smoke. Have a cig when you need it, it makes more sense anyway.

Stickymayhem wrote:I play with smoker and the lung damage has pretty much never impacted me once even on longer rounds. You just need to not constantly smoke. Have a cig when you need it, it makes more sense anyway.

I want a cig all the time, I don't play with smoker and the issue isn't this being a massive impact, but just boring. Reduce lung damage considerably, add a higher chance of cancer, and you have something more engaging and more flavor appropriate than your lungs dying on Manuel's green shifts if you dared smoke for 1 hour straight, which is more or less how much it takes for complete lung failure.

pugie wrote:Smoking 1 cigarette & getting shortness of breath spam & constant coughing is a funny oversight at first that quickly becomes annoying.

This is the best way of putting it. You took the words right out of my mouth

big tobacco moving in on this thread to try and play down the health hazards of smoking even in the future

Didn't really think it's at all that bad. Just make a PR I guess, if people agree the upvotes will speak for themselves.

if you want a cosmetic cig just add a toy version.

Naloac wrote:if you want a cosmetic cig just add a toy version.

We have candy cigarettes

If you have the negative quirk and / or are playing hardcore mode, use the nicotine gum instead

But yeah the lung damage is pretty intense and should be toned down significantly

We have candy cigarettes

list_reagents = list(/datum/reagent/consumable/sugar = 10, /datum/reagent/consumable/caramel = 10, /datum/reagent/drug/nicotine = 20) //oh no!

Naloac wrote:if you want a cosmetic cig just add a toy version.

My point is more that not only would nerfing the damage significantly and adding instead a higher cancer rate per tick be better flavor-wise, it'd result in more interesting gameplay for smokers rather than ouch owie my lungies hurt.

I saw someone smoke a single candy cigarette and they immediately started coughing

What did he mean by this?

wesoda25 wrote:What did he mean by this?

He saw someone smoke a single candy cigarette and they immediately started coughing

my headcanon is that cigs have become so potent and toxic in the future that smoking one pack of cigarettes can now end you lungs

Critawakets wrote:my headcanon is that cigs have become so potent and toxic in the future that smoking one pack of cigarettes can now end you lungs

advanced medical science creates extreme tolerance for harder and harder drugs -> ultralethal cigarettes

pugie wrote:

wesoda25 wrote:What did he mean by this?

He saw someone smoke a single candy cigarette and they immediately started coughing

If candy cigarettes are doing that it’s obviously a bug and isn’t relevant in the slightest.

wesoda25 wrote:

pugie wrote:

wesoda25 wrote:What did he mean by this?

He saw someone smoke a single candy cigarette and they immediately started coughing

If candy cigarettes are doing that it’s obviously a bug and isn’t relevant in the slightest.

YOU'D THINK SO, BUT NO
Lung damage is just that lopsided. It's not a bug, but rather, an oversight.