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Post by Super Aggro Crag » #628997

they're fucking trash.
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Re: thermal pistols are shit

Post by NecromancerAnne » #629002

ye fuck whoever made those things they're shit
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Post by Super Aggro Crag » #629011

i dumped 8 fucking shots point blank into a xenomorph and it just waddled off
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Post by Farquaar » #629014

Tbh guns in SS13 should be scary. You should be scared if you see someone pull out a gun. At the moment I’m more scared to see a dude who knows how to throw a potted plant.
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Post by cacogen » #629019

To me the biggest issue is the sprite and if you’re a gun appreciator in video games you may feel the way I do that the gun sounds like another, bigger gun. Like a pulse rifle.

As for the functionality I lag too much for combat but I was shot with one and bled out in cuffs so against humies at least it seems overpowered. But then as Anne pointed out you wouldn’t be shooting someone in the process of arresting them with the gun it’s replacing either.
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Super Aggro Crag wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:22 am i dumped 8 fucking shots point blank into a xenomorph and it just waddled off
Did they all hit and what kind of xeno was it? Was it sitting on healing nodes? Xenos are a lot tougher than humans.
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NecromancerAnne wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:56 am
Super Aggro Crag wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:22 am i dumped 8 fucking shots point blank into a xenomorph and it just waddled off
Did they all hit and what kind of xeno was it? Was it sitting on healing nodes? Xenos are a lot tougher than humans.
They all hit and it was in an open hallway with no xenocrap
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Re: thermal pistols are shit

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Super Aggro Crag wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:19 am
NecromancerAnne wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:56 am
Super Aggro Crag wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:22 am i dumped 8 fucking shots point blank into a xenomorph and it just waddled off
Did they all hit and what kind of xeno was it? Was it sitting on healing nodes? Xenos are a lot tougher than humans.
They all hit and it was in an open hallway with no xenocrap
shrug pull out the other gun I guess.
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NecromancerAnne wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 12:27 pm
Super Aggro Crag wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:19 am
NecromancerAnne wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:56 am
Super Aggro Crag wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:22 am i dumped 8 fucking shots point blank into a xenomorph and it just waddled off
Did they all hit and what kind of xeno was it? Was it sitting on healing nodes? Xenos are a lot tougher than humans.
They all hit and it was in an open hallway with no xenocrap
shrug pull out the other gun I guess.
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terranaut wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:10 pm what a retarded comment
next up: you think healing is annoying/bad? just don't get hit!
Can't die if the person you're fighting can't fight back. So yeah.
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NecromancerAnne wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 12:27 pm
Super Aggro Crag wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:19 am
NecromancerAnne wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:56 am
Super Aggro Crag wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:22 am i dumped 8 fucking shots point blank into a xenomorph and it just waddled off
Did they all hit and what kind of xeno was it? Was it sitting on healing nodes? Xenos are a lot tougher than humans.
They all hit and it was in an open hallway with no xenocrap
shrug pull out the other gun I guess.
I didnt have another gun

Its retarded to have to carry 3 guns to kill a xeno because heaven forbid a crewman crit an enemy without having to sprint to a recharger station mid battle. Meanwhile antags just click twice and get another 35 shots of their memeguns that do 50 damage a hit and cause bleed wounds
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Super Aggro Crag wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:59 pm I didnt have another gun
Unfortunate. They come as a pair so you can shoot both. You might have killed it then.
Its retarded to have to carry 3 guns to kill a xeno because heaven forbid a crewman crit an enemy without having to sprint to a recharger station mid battle. Meanwhile antags just click twice and get another 35 shots of their memeguns that do 50 damage a hit and cause bleed wounds
That's probably because the game has asymmetrical balancing between antagonist and crew roles as a feature.
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Re: thermal pistols are shit

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Its a shit feature hence why i am complaining about it bonehead
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Post by Itseasytosee2me » #629077

All of my complaints have been addressed. So uh, seems alright. Pretty much just disablers that kill people instead and fuck up esword wielders.
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Post by oranges » #629081

the state of projectile damage and balance is completely fucked, we probably need some kind of major overhaul but it will cause so much toxicity that im not really sure I feel up to it.
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oranges wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:30 pm the state of projectile damage and balance is completely fucked, we probably need some kind of major overhaul but it will cause so much toxicity that im not really sure I feel up to it.
since when the fuck do you shy away from toxicity?
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Post by toemas » #629124

these things are badass as fuck and they're also really effective, based af
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oranges wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:30 pm the state of projectile damage and balance is completely fucked, we probably need some kind of major overhaul but it will cause so much toxicity that im not really sure I feel up to it.
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oranges wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:30 pm the state of projectile damage and balance is completely fucked, we probably need some kind of major overhaul but it will cause so much toxicity that im not really sure I feel up to it.
nice to at least see a doc about it doe
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oranges wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:30 pm the state of projectile damage and balance is completely fucked, we probably need some kind of major overhaul but it will cause so much toxicity that im not really sure I feel up to it.
I have an old doc I was pitching to a few maints if you want me to spruce that up again. I think I did it in response to ryll's initial look at projectile balance, with category based values and more generic ammo types. That said I think it was pre-wounds so I have no idea how usable it is now.
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name one good necro pr ill wait
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oranges wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:30 pm the state of projectile damage and balance is completely fucked, we probably need some kind of major overhaul but it will cause so much toxicity that im not really sure I feel up to it.
Trying to condense weaponry to be aligned armor wise I think is still a good move to go about this (unless someone wants to overhaul everything at once which is doubtful), then you HAVE to compare apples to apples versus apples on thursday to oranges on friday
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Super Aggro Crag wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:39 am they're fucking trash.
they're fine, you're probably not using them correctly
they're not supposed to be used like autorifles
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sinfulbliss wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:56 pm
Super Aggro Crag wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:39 am they're fucking trash.
they're fine, you're probably not using them correctly
they're not supposed to be used like autorifles
whats the fucking point of a gun if not to shoot a fucking enemy???? seriously???" how is that not using it correctly?????
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Super Aggro Crag wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:26 pm
sinfulbliss wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:56 pm
Super Aggro Crag wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:39 am they're fucking trash.
they're fine, you're probably not using them correctly
they're not supposed to be used like autorifles
whats the fucking point of a gun if not to shoot a fucking enemy???? seriously???" how is that not using it correctly?????
do you think autorifles/laserguns/makarovs/357s are all just guns to be used the same? point and shoot?
no you use each differently to compensate for its weaknesses/strengths. do the same with thermal pistols, they're actually better in some ways than autorifles if you give them a shot
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sinfulbliss wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:28 pm
Super Aggro Crag wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:26 pm
sinfulbliss wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:56 pm
Super Aggro Crag wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:39 am they're fucking trash.
they're fine, you're probably not using them correctly
they're not supposed to be used like autorifles
whats the fucking point of a gun if not to shoot a fucking enemy???? seriously???" how is that not using it correctly?????
do you think autorifles/laserguns/makarovs/357s are all just guns to be used the same? point and shoot?
no you use each differently to compensate for its weaknesses/strengths. do the same with thermal pistols, they're actually better in some ways than autorifles if you give them a shot
i shot a fucking antagonist

it didnt die

i ran out of shots and the antagonist walked away because i wasn't even threatening enough with my fucking pea shooter that it felt the need to kill me

then i evacuated

IS NOT THE POINT OF A FUCKING FIREARM TO PUT HOLES INTO AN ENEMY????? TO MAKE THEM DIE???? you're a fucking dummy
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Super Aggro Crag wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:31 pm i shot a fucking antagonist

it didnt die

i ran out of shots and the antagonist walked away because i wasn't even threatening enough with my fucking pea shooter that it felt the need to kill me

then i evacuated

IS NOT THE POINT OF A FUCKING FIREARM TO PUT HOLES INTO AN ENEMY????? TO MAKE THEM DIE???? you're a fucking dummy
you're saying antagonist to avoid saying xenomorph because you realize xenomorph has way more fucking armor than a human traitor
intentionally obfuscating the situation to make them sound worse than they are

it also likely retreated because it was critically injured and was a tap away from hardcrit, not because it didn't "feel" like killing you
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Post by NecromancerAnne » #629497

I watched someone own someone with one in a sparring match against a tot today, and he only had one of the guns. I have to imagine this us down to player error.
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Post by BrianBackslide » #629518

Thermal pistols are... Decent? They're good at bringing down people, but not so good at killing mobs/xenos/blobs. You get 16 shots, that should be more than enough to kill anything that moves. 1500 creds is a good price point as well.
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you get 8 shots unless you throw out your sec belt to hold 2
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Post by Kendrickorium » #629553

I like them a lot!

-Beautiful sprite work
-Solid sounding boom while firing
-Was decapitated by Cryo gun

I don't see the need to remove autorifles (even if they aren't used a lot) but these guns are a solid addition

would also be nice if maybe a pair of them spawned in the armory so they get some regular use, encouraging people to buy them from cargo
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Post by BoopBoops » #629751

Might be nice if instead of straight-up replacing auto-rifles they were implemented alongside them. it is generally a good idea to do this instead of straight-up replacing things, then after about 3 months if you find auto rifles are not being used, you could remove them then.
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The autorifles were replaced because the point of the PR was to start transitioning crew weaponry to be energy dominated (the PR goes into detail as to why)

Didn’t have anything to do with lack of use.
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I wish they weren't pistols. Rifles/carbines/long guns are inherently cooler but that's probably just me.
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theyre dope man idk what youre on
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froggers wrote: Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:07 pm I wish they weren't pistols. Rifles/carbines/long guns are inherently cooler but that's probably just me.
Yeah true. All of our other pistol-like weapons are either sidearms or ambush weapons not intended for extended firefights like the thermal pistols are (not like they can't be used that way, it's just not their primary purpose).
Minor inconsistency by my account, the role it fills seems like it would be better as a longarm-styled weapon.
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It fucking sucks so much ass that they don't go through windows I don't know if this is some intentional thought out balance thing but why would I ever want anything but an energy gun when I can just abuse airlocks and windows to win every fight against these.

This didn't used to be a problem with autorifles because, being kinda realistic, you could spray shitloads of bullets and the windows were a fair balancing mechanic. You habe eguns that go through glass and have limited ammo versus DESTROY EVERYTHING BALLISITICS that will eventually catch you through an opening or just smash all the windows in the way. Now eguns or lasers are just objectively better all the time forever.
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Stickymayhem wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:55 pm It fucking sucks so much ass that they don't go through windows I don't know if this is some intentional thought out balance thing but why would I ever want anything but an energy gun when I can just abuse airlocks and windows to win every fight against these.

This didn't used to be a problem with autorifles because, being kinda realistic, you could spray shitloads of bullets and the windows were a fair balancing mechanic. You habe eguns that go through glass and have limited ammo versus DESTROY EVERYTHING BALLISITICS that will eventually catch you through an opening or just smash all the windows in the way. Now eguns or lasers are just objectively better all the time forever.
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Stickymayhem wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:55 pm It fucking sucks so much ass that they don't go through windows I don't know if this is some intentional thought out balance thing but why would I ever want anything but an energy gun when I can just abuse airlocks and windows to win every fight against these.
They're not a strict improvement over lasers for this reason. I think the ability to shoot through windows is something worth considering when choosing how to arm, and why preparing properly can be a boon. Nothing stops you wearing the thermals on your belt and lasgun on your suit storage slot. You can wield both pretty easily.

Yes, lasers have some positional advantages over thermal pistols. That's their definitive upside to me. To be able to hold positions with windows alone. That and having a high capacity in a single gun.

There are, however, situations where the lasers do not work as well. Someone is spamming EMPS (thermals are immune to this), someone has energy deflection (thermals go right through though are stopped by block all the same), or a monster is mostly affected by brute like lavaland fauna (the cryo pistol helps here).

Practically speaking, many hallways are open spaces, and maintenance tunnels aren't usually permissive of lasers being used to their full potential, so the differences aren't going to be very commonly appreciated. But in areas of heavy glass vision (like security checkpoints and windowed airlocks), lasers are your friend.
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Re: thermal pistols are shit

Post by Longestarmlonglaw » #631910

Thermal Pistols are fine, But they need to change the temperature of opponents, So you don't have to powergame a temperature gun,

It takes 4 shots of a temp gun to make them activate a thermal pistol property, (explosion) temp gun shots pierce armor, The 5th shot from the pistol will very likely kill the opponent, just like 5 lasers will take down an unarmored opponent, Its just that temp gun and pistol combo will penetrate armor MUCH better, making it more deadly against traitors, the cold temp from the gun will also slow them down, don't forget leprozaine overdose!

Interesting guns, Want to see them more, they suck against xenos, but HOLY SHIT USE LASERS ON XENOS, AND TRAVEL IN GROUPS
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Re: thermal pistols are shit

Post by cacogen » #631936

I observed an admin practising with thermal pistols in the Thunderdome once and it was very easy for them to trigger the explosion simply by firing 4-5 shots with one gun then switching to the other.
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Re: thermal pistols are shit

Post by NecromancerAnne » #632006

they were using a temperature gun, not the alternating pistol. 4-5 shots is indeed exactly the amount of shots I aimed for, so it appears to be working as intended.
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