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If you're going to make containers suck, just don't let people open them within the bags again
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:32 pm
by Pandarsenic
instead of fucking with what they can hold just make it so you can only access their contents if they're in your hands, on the ground, or worn directly on your body
thank you for attending my ted talk
Re: If you're going to make containers suck, just don't let people open them within the bags again
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:53 pm
by Shadowflame909
yeah
but make sure syndicate boxes are still able to be used in bags. (syndie bluespace technology is worth the telecrystals)
Re: If you're going to make containers suck, just don't let people open them within the bags again
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:58 pm
by Timberpoes
Nested storage is soul.
And by that I mean is old, outdated shit.
Inventory matryoshka doll syndrome is an endless battle against items that can't fit in your bag, but boxes that can hold that item being able to instead.
Aspects of it need reworking. Imagine if putting a box in a bag took up as much space as if you put every individual item also in that box into the bag, then bag space was expanded a little to account for this. Boxes would end up being useful for organising your storage, but wouldn't expand it beyond its capacity.
Ahh, but a pipe dream.
Re: If you're going to make containers suck, just don't let people open them within the bags again
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:51 am
by sinfulbliss
I don't think there's an issue with items being able to fit in a box in your bag but not in your bag.
Imagine you shove a bunch of clothes and tools (?) into a backpack IRL. Probably could fit a whole lot more if they were neatly organized into compartments and boxes no?
Re: If you're going to make containers suck, just don't let people open them within the bags again
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:21 am
by Imitates-The-Lizards
sinfulbliss wrote: āFri Nov 18, 2022 9:51 am
I don't think there's an issue with items being able to fit in a box in your bag but not in your bag.
Imagine you shove a bunch of clothes and tools (?) into a backpack IRL. Probably could fit a whole lot more if they were neatly organized into compartments and boxes no?
They don't care about realism, it's about balance. Because, uh, people not having tools improves the balance of the game... somehow.
I brought this up when the toolbelts change happened - you can obviously fit a toolbelt, even a full one, inside of a backpack very easily.
Re: If you're going to make containers suck, just don't let people open them within the bags again
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:04 pm
by CPTANT
The war against storage has gone way too far, let people actual carry guns in backpacks again.
Re: If you're going to make containers suck, just don't let people open them within the bags again
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:47 am
by BrianBackslide
Turns out it's really hard to balance when you only have 3 size categories that can fit into boxes/backpacks. Giving items individual weight could make it more granular, or you could implement a Diablo-style inventory. Maybe you get slowed down if you walk around with your backpack open, because you're rifling through it? With further slowdown added for each nested storage?
Re: If you're going to make containers suck, just don't let people open them within the bags again
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 4:51 am
by Pandarsenic
Orrrrr
Just restore the value of having your BELT in the BELT SLOT by letting you only keep hands free while accessing your top-level containers, and anything else you gotta have in hand
So you can't rifle through the pill bottle in your box in your smuggler satchel in your backpack in your bag of holding by reaching into space and pulling out exactly the one thing you want
(Or, honestly, make BOH have a special exemption to that rule because it's a bag of holding + so they're worth the trouble of making again)
Re: If you're going to make containers suck, just don't let people open them within the bags again
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:01 pm
by Ziiro
step 1) Inventory system modified to be based on weight capacity of items rather than size of objects
step 2) Weight affects movement speed on a gradient based on how overloaded you are
Make meaningful choices on what you're bringing with you, or else, lmao
Re: If you're going to make containers suck, just don't let people open them within the bags again
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:52 pm
by Farquaar
Ziiro wrote: āTue Nov 22, 2022 8:01 pm
step 1) Inventory system modified to be based on weight capacity of items rather than size of objects
step 2) Weight affects movement speed on a gradient based on how overloaded you are
Make meaningful choices on what you're bringing with you, or else, lmao
I would unironically love to see how this might play out in practice. It would probably cause a lot of unfun problems though.
Re: If you're going to make containers suck, just don't let people open them within the bags again
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:56 pm
by CPTANT
What if the inventory space boxes take just scales with their content.....
Re: If you're going to make containers suck, just don't let people open them within the bags again
Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:24 am
by oranges
The kind of puzzle grid inventory where objects have unique shapes and the challenge is fitting them together in a way that fits in the equipment grid (which the shape of is also defined by the storage equipment type) is probably a better long term approach to inventory management gameplay, and one I would personally support.
We're essentially "simulating" two degrees of complexity with weight and size classes, but our version is adhoc, crappy and unintuitive about what can fit where. Where the only way you really discover it is by actually trying to put shit into shit.
Re: If you're going to make containers suck, just don't let people open them within the bags again
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:29 am
by Imitates-The-Lizards
oranges wrote: āThu Dec 01, 2022 2:24 am
The kind of puzzle grid inventory where objects have unique shapes and the challenge is fitting them together in a way that fits in the equipment grid (which the shape of is also defined by the storage equipment type) is probably a better long term approach to inventory management gameplay, and one I would personally support.
We're essentially "simulating" two degrees of complexity with weight and size classes, but our version is adhoc, crappy and unintuitive about what can fit where. Where the only way you really discover it is by actually trying to put shit into shit.
Inventory tetris? Fucking ship it.
Re: If you're going to make containers suck, just don't let people open them within the bags again
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:28 pm
by Itseasytosee2me
I thought we only had one weight/size var. But Iām down for encumbrance
Re: If you're going to make containers suck, just don't let people open them within the bags again
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:49 am
by CPTANT
We just have a lousy implementation of weight, containers should weight as much as their combined contents, it solves the entire problem because nesting doesn't help you except for inventory management or transferring items.
We also lack good UI feedback on how heavy an item is and how much your container can hold.