/tg/Station 13

The title. There has been shifts where I and my fellow engineers slip into the supermatter (with magboots on!) because I was using the fire extinguisher on it 10 seconds earlier and the sm is back on fire. The ice under the door doesn't melt,(and I can't see it because there is a fire!) and as a result I slippy do dah into a delamming sm. Now I can see how removing the ability to slip on ice with magboots on can cause balance issues with void heretic. So as a solution I propose to make it so you slip but do not slide, which would fix the issue of falling into the sm without changing balance.

Don`t magboots apply a slowdown....arnt they atleast a moderately hard to get item? why would this get turned down exactly?
Actually now that i think about, walking (instead of running) onto ice / space lube probably shouldnt launch you either, just knock you over and maybe move you a tile or two, if that, idk.

Also slip issue git friction

MooCow12 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:35 am Don`t magboots apply a slowdown....arnt they atleast a moderately hard to get item? why would this get turned down exactly?
Actually now that i think about, walking (instead of running) onto ice / space lube probably shouldnt launch you either, just knock you over and maybe move you a tile or two, if that, idk.

Also slip issue git friction

Yeah that is true. however there are also magboots which do not give much or any of a slowdown. The CE magboots is one and magboot modules on mod suits is the other. (the latter I use a lot)
Maybe not slipping on ice at all with them on is better, I am not sure. I have seen people confused by the fact that you can even slip on ice and spacelube with magboots on. You cannot slip on banana peels, or water, yet you can on these. There must be some reason for it?

Either way I hate dying to the SM for something like that even when I take precautions such as putting on magboots. The last time I died due to the slip and slide was the only time I got really angry at the game. The ice was under a door that was on fire for gods sake!

Dying to supermatter ice always feels kinda bullshit.
If we want people to fuck with the atmospheric components of the engine maybe it just shouldn’t instantly kill you when you touch it but that’s a separate and much more contentious discussion.

I think it should probably check for if you're standing on an actual metal floor first – magboots shouldn't protect against slipping on ice on the Icemoon for example. In the case provided, though, magboots should totally prevent you from slipping like that.

magboots preventing slips would be a large change

icebox should get its own icebox anti slip magboots

They would be too expensive that lore-wise the station doesnt account the budget for it in other stations (Why would ice be in space?)

Exterior anti slip boots exist on icebox, they’re miner equipment because miners are who are actually expected to be outside.

Today I had a round as an AI where an engineer slipped into the supermatter which was on fire due to an admeme event. He used the fire extinguisher to put it out which made ice. Right as I was sending the poor engineer a warning, he took one step forward and slipped into the crystal. He had no time to react as I watched him slide on the floor over two tiles and died. RIP.

Get this fixed please!

I think this is hilarious and should stay in the game.

Also Fire Extinquisher on the Supermatter is already too powerful.

Anyone with an engi lathe can print magboots iirc but yeah it is kind of silly that noslips and magboots don't apply to iced floors. Anyone who's played Nukies or Ninja on icebox knows the pain of slipping around the wastes

CPTANT wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:33 pm I think this is hilarious and should stay in the game.

Oh, it sounds like it when explaining it to somebody else, but experiencing it is horrible. You are litterally roundended during a delamination. It actually feels like a bullshit way to die, as there is no way to avoid it other than not taking a single step forward while using the fire extinguisher. It doesnt help that the sm is delamming, and since you are now dead, there is now nobody to fix the delamination. In high pop yeah its better, but imagine two engineers dying to the same fate right after another. Sounds hilarious but now there are two people in deadchat complaining about the game and the sm is exploding. I will also add that there is no way to know this can happen untill you experience it yourself, and even then you may not know what happened.

Why not just give mag boots an "aggressive tread" that is anti slip on ice, but lube or other slippery items like bananas will still work?

as someone who plays engi I can attest that it is super annoying to be trying to put out an SM fire, or having to fix something in the SM and you instantly die because of a single tile of ice you cant see from the other gas reactions happening on the tile. I get balance issues but this is such a stupid thing to have to die to, especially when if you're going into the SM chamber shit is already going down and if you don't get in there the station is fucked. maybe you walk slightly slower overall with magboots but gain slip resistance to ice when on metal?

TheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 8:16 am magboots preventing slips would be a large change

they already prevent slips, just from water and bananas and such. same as noslips basically

ice and lube always slips you regardless of your shoes

What about magboots overpowering space lube and ice on reinforced floor tiles only (you can see reinforced floor tiles are not only metal but they have a clear indention/pattern on them that might make them slightly harder to slide on with all of the gaps between each panel)

Jacquerel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 1:05 pm Exterior anti slip boots exist on icebox, they’re miner equipment because miners are who are actually expected to be outside.

EVA has anti-ice-slip boots in it as well, they're not miner only - anyone can get a pair.

In any case yeah I think magboots should protect against ice slips

magboots should work if there's metal hull plating under your feet, because magnets.

If we're talking about like pure ice, what the hell is it going to magnet to

If you mean like floor plating with ice on it, then yeah, but I have no idea if that's possible to check for.

The SM killing engineers for tiny mistakes or bad luck is the point.