/tg/Station 13

zxaber wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:43 am Restart votes are to fix the server if it's broken while no admin is online. It's not a tool to deny a murderboner their bone, it's not a tool to skip a map that you don't like.

Counterpoint: restart votes should be disabled. If a server is broken and no admin is on, your ahelps will reach the Discord. If you cannot ahelp, go to the Discord and ping the Keyholder role.

Mice World wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:11 pm Rounds are rarely broken enough to justify restart votes. I don't agree with outright removing the option but they definitely shouldn't auto pass when an admin is on. If an admin is deliberately blocking a valid vote make an admin complaint.

ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:32 pm Part of his point is that it doesn't have to be deliberate.

TheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:38 pm Admin issue, restart votes exist to allow for non admin'd rounds to exit if something is horribly wrong.
If people (me it's me I do this) are idling on the server when that happens we have other ways of handling the problem, and I don't think it's a common enough case to justify potentially blindsiding active admins.

If the admin team for some reason fucking wanted this we could do it, but I doubt they do

Mothblocks wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:23 am if im trying to investigate a game breaking bug and the round restarts because i didnt click "no" because i was focusing on the bug, you would see a revert pr in the following 20 seconds

Mothblocks wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:38 am Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

CPTANT wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:23 am

Mothblocks wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:38 am Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

There is nothing stopping you from doing this, you would only have to press a single button, with plenty of time, you can even have multiple visual and audio hints that your attention is needed.

Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:12 pm

CPTANT wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:23 am

Mothblocks wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:38 am Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

There is nothing stopping you from doing this, you would only have to press a single button, with plenty of time, you can even have multiple visual and audio hints that your attention is needed.

Or, we could just keep things as they are now and let admins decide if the round needs to be restarted or not.

CPTANT wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:35 am

Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:12 pm

CPTANT wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:23 am

Mothblocks wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:38 am Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

There is nothing stopping you from doing this, you would only have to press a single button, with plenty of time, you can even have multiple visual and audio hints that your attention is needed.

Or, we could just keep things as they are now and let admins decide if the round needs to be restarted or not.

The OP already explains why this should be changed.

Vekter wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:14 pm

CPTANT wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:35 am

Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:12 pm

CPTANT wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:23 am

Mothblocks wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:38 am Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

There is nothing stopping you from doing this, you would only have to press a single button, with plenty of time, you can even have multiple visual and audio hints that your attention is needed.

Or, we could just keep things as they are now and let admins decide if the round needs to be restarted or not.

The OP already explains why this should be changed.

And I firmly disagree with your logic, if someone's AFK on the server then you should urgent adminhelp so we can fix the issue. This doesn't happen enough to warrant changing the entire system so you can reboot a round without us noticing while we're online.

CPTANT wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:52 pm

Vekter wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:14 pm

CPTANT wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:35 am

Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:12 pm

CPTANT wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:23 am

Mothblocks wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:38 am Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

There is nothing stopping you from doing this, you would only have to press a single button, with plenty of time, you can even have multiple visual and audio hints that your attention is needed.

Or, we could just keep things as they are now and let admins decide if the round needs to be restarted or not.

The OP already explains why this should be changed.

And I firmly disagree with your logic, if someone's AFK on the server then you should urgent adminhelp so we can fix the issue. This doesn't happen enough to warrant changing the entire system so you can reboot a round without us noticing while we're online.

Without you noticing? If after multiple warnings you still can't be bothered to pay attention to a restart vote then you clearly have no investment in a round. It's ultimately the players that play the game not the admins, restart votes already virtually never succeed without damn good reason.

Vekter wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:30 pm

CPTANT wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:52 pm

Vekter wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:14 pm

CPTANT wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:35 am

Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:12 pm

CPTANT wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:23 am

Mothblocks wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:38 am Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

There is nothing stopping you from doing this, you would only have to press a single button, with plenty of time, you can even have multiple visual and audio hints that your attention is needed.

Or, we could just keep things as they are now and let admins decide if the round needs to be restarted or not.

The OP already explains why this should be changed.

And I firmly disagree with your logic, if someone's AFK on the server then you should urgent adminhelp so we can fix the issue. This doesn't happen enough to warrant changing the entire system so you can reboot a round without us noticing while we're online.

Without you noticing? If after multiple warnings you still can't be bothered to pay attention to a restart vote then you clearly have no investment in a round. It's ultimately the players that play the game not the admins, restart votes already virtually never succeed without damn good reason.

So here's the problem with your logic on this. We could either:

1) Spend a few hours coding out a specific system that warns admins with a sound and pop-up whenever a restart vote happens and change how we do restart votes so they automatically restart even if someone is on, or
2) Leave it how it is and use the existing system (urgent adminhelps) to do literally exactly the same thing and not have to worry about people acting in poor faith ruining the round.

There's literally no benefit to this idea aside from "We get to reboot the server sometimes without an admin interfering even if they're online".

CPTANT wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:04 pm Or we don't get stuck with a broken server and a blocked restart by someone who is not actually there.

Vekter wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:43 pm

CPTANT wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:04 pm Or we don't get stuck with a broken server and a blocked restart by someone who is not actually there.

Do you know how urgent adminhelps work? We get a Discord ping when someone puts one out, someone WILL see that the server is broken and come fix it.

CPTANT wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:23 am

Mothblocks wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:38 am Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

There is nothing stopping you from doing this, you would only have to press a single button, with plenty of time, you can even have multiple visual and audio hints that your attention is needed.

CPTANT wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:00 pm

Vekter wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:43 pm

CPTANT wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:04 pm Or we don't get stuck with a broken server and a blocked restart by someone who is not actually there.

Do you know how urgent adminhelps work? We get a Discord ping when someone puts one out, someone WILL see that the server is broken and come fix it.

I don't know what you are trying to say, you can send urgent adminhelps when there are no admins online, we are talking about inactive admins blocking the vote so as far as I know there won't be any urgent adminhelp.